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Warzilla
Czech Republic311 Posts
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Black[CAT]
Malaysia2589 Posts
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laLAlA[uC]
Canada963 Posts
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GeNeSiDe
United Kingdom354 Posts
On March 25 2012 04:04 1Eris1 wrote: Wait, are you fucking kidding me? You do realize big BW events get millions of viewers right? Maybe you should go read all of their interviews then. Everything in that statement is false. And sorry, just because something has Starcraft in it's name does not mean it automatically earns my viewership/support. This is honestly one of the stupidest posts I've seen yet. When, in 2009? Cause i looked for current viewership numbers and literally the only definitive number I can find are the TL restreams, which hit like 12-15k from what I can see. And we should always believe EVERYTHING players who are paid money say in interviews. Do you believe Tevez when he tells you he is 100% dedicated to Man City after taking a hiatus in Argentina for 5 months? Part of your pay is to say what your sponsors, fans and team expect you to say? Would you like a player who stated in interviews that he is only there because he gets 50k a year to play a video game? I'm not saying they hate it I'm saying, they "love" this game because it allowed them to make a living doing what they love. Why wouldn't they like the next generation of that game and a new challenge? Good job being a complete dickhead with your reply, typical of a BW die-hard. Go play on ICCUP and leave the millions of SC2 players and fans alone with your negative attitude. If you would let SC2 into your heart you would see the evolution between release and now in terms of strategy and depth of gameplay. Continue to be ignorant and assume SC2 is as mindless and coinflippy as LoL. KLeep in mind SC2 is at the stage that SC1:Vanilla was at before BW, and at that time, Vanilla was a imbalanced ass game with massive problems, I know cause I played it for years. When SC2 hits LOTV, if it still dissapoints you, then maybe I will take your comments as anything but "well it was better back in the day". In 1 year when BW is no longer player professionally what are you gonna do then? Say your goodbyes now and let BW have the honorable death it deserves as the godfather of eSports. | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13392 Posts
On March 25 2012 04:16 laLAlA[uC] wrote: Only SC2? I'm pretty mad right now :/ I can understand, I can appreciate your measured response to not purely shitting on SC2 but instead expressing your sadness for losing BW. However, this isn't for sure they might keep bw if sc2 doesnt do as well as they hope. Perhaps the overall skill level of the game improves and you see something you like in SC2  I enjoy both and am sad one is ending as well from the sounds of the OP  | ||
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haitike
Spain2723 Posts
On March 25 2012 03:59 GeNeSiDe wrote: Yeah I mean look at the VOD's on GOM's site, the more popular VOD's have 100k+ views on them, I dont think anything in SC universe competes with that kind of viewership. do you really think that a internet stream get more viewers than a National Cable Channel? lol | ||
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Let it Raine
Canada1245 Posts
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synapse
China13814 Posts
On March 25 2012 04:17 GeNeSiDe wrote: When, in 2009? Cause i looked for current viewership numbers and literally the only definitive number I can find are the TL restreams, which hit like 12-15k from what I can see. And we should always believe EVERYTHING players who are paid money say in interviews. Do you believe Tevez when he tells you he is 100% dedicated to Man City after taking a hiatus in Argentina for 5 months? Part of your pay is to say what your sponsors, fans and team expect you to say? Would you like a player who stated in interviews that he is only there because he gets 50k a year to play a video game? I'm not saying they hate it I'm saying, they "love" this game because it allowed them to make a living doing what they love. Why wouldn't they like the next generation of that game and a new challenge? Good job being a complete dickhead with your reply, typical of a BW die-hard. Go play on ICCUP and leave the millions of SC2 players and fans alone with your negative attitude. If you would let SC2 into your heart you would see the evolution between release and now in terms of strategy and depth of gameplay. Continue to be ignorant and assume SC2 is as mindless and coinflippy as LoL. KLeep in mind SC2 is at the stage that SC1:Vanilla was at before BW, and at that time, Vanilla was a imbalanced ass game with massive problems, I know cause I played it for years. When SC2 hits LOTV, if it still dissapoints you, then maybe I will take your comments as anything but "well it was better back in the day". In 1 year when BW is no longer player professionally what are you gonna do then? Say your goodbyes now and let BW have the honorable death it deserves as the godfather of eSports. He's not talking about foreign viewership (foreign viewership of BW is indeed pretty low, though much of that should be attributed to the matches being shown at 4,5am). BW gets broadcasted on television in Korea. Dedicated starcraft channels => millions of viewers. | ||
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darkest44
United States1009 Posts
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Kira__
Sweden2672 Posts
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
So that's especially retarded, but even if there is a week of BW and next week SC2, can you imagine for fans how irritating it will be if one team loses because they dominate one (say SC2) but fail in the other? You can't just mix in different games into the same tournament. On March 25 2012 02:40 CakeSauc3 wrote: It's about time. If esports is to grow, bw needs to die, which will allow more popular and marketable games to take its place. It's obviously sad to see it go, but it's great that esports will take this crucial step forward. Assuming this "unnamed Korean industry insider" knows what he's talking about, which I kind of doubt :p but we can hope, right? I also really want to address this by rehashing what I posted in the equivalent bw thread for this (in a spoiler below but clarified). All of this is in context of korean esports, but if you define esports as growing to be "mainstream" as opposed to retreat to "video game fans" then bw dying off hurts esports growth. You can skip the spoiler if you want, but at least I believe this will just kill a couple active bw teams (ace, probably team 8) and then make an awkward as anything mix between the current licensed Kespa teams and the existing sc2 teams. + Show Spoiler + The worst thing about this is that it would effectively immediately kill air force ace [the military sponsored team], since I don't think they would really be able to just start up a sc2 division. Earlier I said how kespa couldn't implement this, but maybe if they magicially got all the sc1 teams to agree to "partner up" with 1 distinct sc2 team they could field sc1/sc2 lineups (or force sc1 teams to practice sc2). It kind of defeats the point to make it a mix if you're going to make people switch over--Kespa I assume hopes to simply absorb current sc2 teams. ACE can't simply just absorb the sc2 teams; ace would die out. I can't imagine what killing ACE would do to the mentality of some bw progamers. Probably at least like half of the more top tier sc1 players plan their career to be "play until I get too old/don't have good results, then hopefully enter ACE (otherwise to the military)". I know the commentators in the Mr. Ma scandal [i.e. the savior matchfixing scandal] said they felt so proud when air force ace got created because it finally felt that ESPORTS could become mainstream in korea and mr. ma ruined the credibility and pureness of esports. This entire moves seems to retreat esports in korea to try to be the current fanbase of a couple games rather than make it more mainstream, which always seemed to be Kespa's (a division of the government) goal. tl;dr- The koreans often said that a defining moments for korean esports is the creation of the military team. That the government and the military would get into ESPORTS. That's mainstream. Sure, sc2 has a larger fanbase in the foreign community, but pretty much everyone is a target demographic (male 14-28 video gamer amiright?). Half of sc:bw fans in korea are fangirls. Couples are shown all the time on the camera. Girls buy gifts for the players for fan meetings. BW is declining, no doubt about that, but switching games isn't going to revive esports in korea. Now if you want esports to permanently be sponsored by the game developers/various computer related companies, thats a different model of "esports". The case is much more likely this: On March 25 2012 02:59 FiReMaN wrote: I think that BW isn't doing that well financial, they have a hard time to find sponsors and Blizzard is willing to sponsor a OGN SC2 proleague. OGN wants Blizzard's money, but viewers won't watch SC2 over BW so they have to drop BW. This is just me speculating ofcourse. which is really just shameful. Because it's not like Kespa is going to go to the official, licensed teams and say "you know how your sponsors are paying you to play one game? We're going to force those sponsors to know pay you to play another game in addition". This is going to be a weird as fuck situation with how the current sc2 teams will be absorbed by kespa, if at all. Because unlike GOM's leagues, Kespa is much more highly regulated and licensed (to the point where player salary negotiations and trading players is highly regulated). That model won't change, so players being able to team-hop or foreigners being able to come in to play with invites will be nonexistent. | ||
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Sumadin
Denmark588 Posts
I am not sure needs to know more. | ||
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Kleen-X
Denmark48 Posts
Nostalgia is a strong thing. I have played BW, and enjoyed it a lot. But it has reached an age where I am starting to find the graphics annoying to watch as spectator (Note to this; my favorite game is Chrono Trigger. So I don't favorite graphics) But I would rather watch the graphics of SC2, and if you want to see it grow as an esport, then you need to take into account that a lot of people judge games of from graphics. I know that SC2 is not the prettiest one, but it is a lot more appealing than BW to watch. | ||
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Zirob13
Costa Rica44 Posts
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On March 25 2012 04:21 Sumadin wrote: Well i don't really get why Blizzard would need goms approval. I thought their deal with blizzard was about to expire anyway and in need of renewal. The way they come out and say "Yea WE are the one permiting this" when it very well could be at gunpoint by blizz. It sounds... Arrogant. I am not sure needs to know more. I think it's more to show that blizzard isn't going to get rid of GOM is my guess more so then they are permitting it. I imagine a lot of people are wondering if blizzard is giving a big FU to GOM when in reality they aren't. | ||
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DeadBull
421 Posts
On March 25 2012 04:15 Black[CAT] wrote: Esports is a joke. . . why are you on TL then ? | ||
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Ryo
8787 Posts
On March 25 2012 04:19 synapse wrote: I think the half-BW half-SC2 is really more PL switching to SC2 completely but thinking its players probably need some adjusting first. He's not talking about foreign viewership (foreign viewership of BW is indeed pretty low, though much of that should be attributed to the matches being shown at 4,5am). BW gets broadcasted on television in Korea. Dedicated starcraft channels => millions of viewers. Also, let's not forget about the Chinese restreams. Those get tons more viewers than the TL restreams. | ||
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marttorn
Norway5211 Posts
On March 25 2012 04:17 GeNeSiDe wrote: When, in 2009? Cause i looked for current viewership numbers and literally the only definitive number I can find are the TL restreams, which hit like 12-15k from what I can see. And we should always believe EVERYTHING players who are paid money say in interviews. Do you believe Tevez when he tells you he is 100% dedicated to Man City after taking a hiatus in Argentina for 5 months? Part of your pay is to say what your sponsors, fans and team expect you to say? Would you like a player who stated in interviews that he is only there because he gets 50k a year to play a video game? I'm not saying they hate it I'm saying, they "love" this game because it allowed them to make a living doing what they love. Why wouldn't they like the next generation of that game and a new challenge? Good job being a complete dickhead with your reply, typical of a BW die-hard. Go play on ICCUP and leave the millions of SC2 players and fans alone with your negative attitude. If you would let SC2 into your heart you would see the evolution between release and now in terms of strategy and depth of gameplay. Continue to be ignorant and assume SC2 is as mindless and coinflippy as LoL. KLeep in mind SC2 is at the stage that SC1:Vanilla was at before BW, and at that time, Vanilla was a imbalanced ass game with massive problems, I know cause I played it for years. When SC2 hits LOTV, if it still dissapoints you, then maybe I will take your comments as anything but "well it was better back in the day". In 1 year when BW is no longer player professionally what are you gonna do then? Say your goodbyes now and let BW have the honorable death it deserves as the godfather of eSports. Oh dear god. Fun fact, a single Chinese stream for the last OSL finals got well over 1 million views. | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Hope the negotiations go smoothly and that all parties are as accomodated as possible during whatever is decided on. | ||
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ne4aJIb
Russian Federation3209 Posts
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