On February 01 2012 01:41 Destructicon wrote:

Though, by those standards I guess Puma and HerO might have been more deserving of the last Code S seeds, but they aren't exactly foreigners.

Idra finished higher than both Puma and Hero at the last two MLGs fwiw.

Morrisson

289 Posts

January 31 2012 16:46 GMT

#62

Code A seeds are fine, and even the foreigner community seems to think that giving a Code S spot is too much. Code S should be earned, period. Code A can be given to increase viewership, train foreigner, create some events/drame :p

Destructicon

4713 Posts

January 31 2012 16:47 GMT

#63

Yes but, IdrA didn't actually win any tournaments since IEM Guangzhou, Hero won Dreamhack, Puma won NASL S2.

Linwelin

Ireland7554 Posts

January 31 2012 16:47 GMT

#64

On February 01 2012 01:45 ssg wrote:

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Idra finished higher than both Puma and Hero at the last two MLGs fwiw.

What about dreamhack and NASL2

Kontys

Finland659 Posts

January 31 2012 16:51 GMT

#65

Does not really matter for non-koreans. Some will go to Korea, some won't. I don't think they ever made a big difference, the foreigners who were worth their shit (and wanted to go to Korea) got far enough without favouritism.

If GOM sees large increases in number of people watching when foreigners play, they will keep dropping seeds and doing exchange programs. If not, then I should expect the seeding system to slowly vanish.

Destructicon

4713 Posts

January 31 2012 16:52 GMT

#66

Actually, since IEM and ASUS RoG keep becoming bigger and bigger, attracting lots of good Koreans, I think it might be fair to include them in the list of tournaments that award Code S seeds. Though, at the time IdrA won IEM, the Code S seeds where already given out.
GSL Jan, should have given seeds to the players who won/came runners up in the most recent tournaments.

darkscream

Canada2310 Posts

January 31 2012 16:54 GMT

#67

I think the Code S seeds are fine. I mean, You can fall right out into Code B if you don't belong, but I think the ability to award code S seeds or even Up+Down seeds to distinguished foreigners is EXTREMELY important. You can't send koreans all over the world to destroy foreign tournaments, and then not recognize the few strong foreigners who are able to beat them. Code A Seeds are fine but I think it makes perfect sense for the champion of an MLG season or year to get a better entry point than that.

Forcing foreigners to go through code B virtually guarantees no foreigners in the GSL, which is not what they want and it's not what we want. It takes a lot of time and therefore money also to go up from Code B if you aren't already living in Korea. We don't want to perpetuate the "KOREANS ARE ALWAYS BETTER LOZLZZZZLZLZ" stereotype because it's obviously untrue and also spoils any opportunity for actual intelligent discourse about Foreigners vs Koreans in any other tournament. It's about practice hours logged, not race or location.

That said I'm disappointed in our foreigners this time around obviously. EG took a fucking dive this season. I'm hopeful for Sen but not that hopeful. I think this year we will see some old faces and new faces rise up to show they are the dominant western players, but so far it looks like we can expect last year's favourites to give underwhelming performances, and of course, those players should not receive advanced seeding.

TheFlock

United States389 Posts

January 31 2012 16:56 GMT

#68

I do enjoy seeing foreigners compete in the highest level tournaments, and am more likely to watch when a foreigner in playing... But I too agree that the Code S spot seems to be a bit much. I would be okay with a seed into the up/down or into Code A so that the foreigner is given a chance to fight to be called S-Class. It would also make a great storyline to have a foreigner fight their way into Code-S.

From a business side - it definitely helps GOM to have them seeded into Code-S, but it may give a nice boost to Code-A ratings.

Seeding=Good all around
Foreigners=not yet ready for Code-S it seems

Usagi

Spain1647 Posts

January 31 2012 16:56 GMT

#69

On February 01 2012 01:24 jj33 wrote:

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your post is retarded.

but I'll play along, the Koreans are able to compete anywhere, while free welfare seeds to Code S as you can see doesn't pan out at all

I am just tired of elitists. Thats the point of my "retarded" post.

bubblegumbo

Taiwan1296 Posts

January 31 2012 16:57 GMT

#70

Code A seeds for sure, but not too many either, maybe 3-4 at most, 1 for every continent at least not counting Korea of course.
Dont give Code S seeds away, that's something that should be earned the normal/hard way.

sbroon

United Kingdom23 Posts

January 31 2012 16:57 GMT

#71

Unfortunately foreign players can't always participate in the qualifiers. I would give Code A seeds so they have a chance to prove themselves and take part in GSL but nothing more.

Yaki

France4234 Posts

January 31 2012 16:59 GMT

#72

Very few foreigners right now deserve Code S seed and they might not be interested so sound fair to only give them Code A seed

Dattish

Sweden6297 Posts

January 31 2012 16:59 GMT

#73

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TheSubtleArt

Canada2527 Posts

January 31 2012 16:59 GMT

#74

On February 01 2012 00:47 Aphasie wrote:

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Hey dipshit, you might want to spoiler that so my day was the only one you've ruined so far.....
(Edit: Spoilered my qoute, in case he changes it - so u cant read it in the quote. Edit2: PMed him too)

Anyway i dont feel it is right to give away free entry to "the most competitive tournament in the world". I understand it for GOM and i LOVE seeing foreigners compete. But it breaks the principle of competition, so in the end im against it.

Why would you even go into a thread about foreigner GSL seeds the day 3 foreigners played Code A if you don't want the results spoiled ;p.

@ OP
I think a seed to the up and down matches would be the most fair, but as it stands gom's seeding has attraced several foreign players to try in the GSL and that's only a good thing.

Leviance

Germany4079 Posts

January 31 2012 17:00 GMT

#75

Foreigners in GSL increase interest of both Korean and international audience. However, as a lot of people posted before me, Code A seeds should be fair enough.

Seiferz

United States640 Posts

January 31 2012 17:02 GMT

#76

Stop seeding. Jinro is the only one that's rejected a seed into code A because he wanted to qualify straight up right? More people should think like that.

Mordiford

4448 Posts

January 31 2012 17:04 GMT

#77

On February 01 2012 01:56 Usagi wrote:

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I am just tired of elitists. Thats the point of my "retarded" post.

I don't see how you're justifying idiocy. You didn't prove any point, you just said a bunch of stupid things and then called it a shot at elitists.

Giving seeds to non-Koreans isn't like flying over Koreans, individual seeding into invitational tournaments is completely different, those invites go to non-Koreans as well. The GSL is a qualification based tournament, Code S in particular is supposed to be the highest tier of competition, notoriously hard to get into and harder to maintain. Giving away seeds for free diminishes the value of, "Code S player".

Seeding directly into Code A seems fair, even direct seeds into the Up/Down matches would be acceptable if it was at the end of a foreign qualifier. When foreigners fail to perform so spectacularly after being given an invitation to bypass a majority of the competition, it just looks like shit.

ZAiNs

United Kingdom6525 Posts

January 31 2012 17:04 GMT

#78

Seed prizes shouldn't be ambiguous at all. GOM should let people know it advance that the winner of Tournament X will get a Code A/Up&Down seed.

FuzzyJAM

Scotland9300 Posts

January 31 2012 17:04 GMT

#79

As others have said, nothing wrong with Code A seeds so that you don't have foreigners having to spend thousands to attempt to qualify for Ro48 Code A - that's a genuine disadvantage that has nothing to do with skill. However, once you've got that hurdle out of the way, I don't see why anyone should get a Code S seed just for being a foreigner - earn it like anyone else. If you're good enough then you'll get Code S, if you're not then I don't want you in the premier SCII league.