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Detwiler
Profile Joined June 2011
United States239 Posts
February 01 2012 10:11 GMT
#281
Everyone has a chance to get into code A. All they have to do is fight through code B like everyone else there. Thats why all the code A and S guys are all so good. They have to be to make it through the gauntlet that is code B.
BackSideAttack
Profile Joined December 2010
1103 Posts
February 01 2012 10:15 GMT
#282
On February 01 2012 16:54 rift wrote:
They aren't foreigner seeds. They're for anyone who has had success in international tournaments, regardless of ethnicity.


Uh pretty sure thats not true, or else Koreans like hero would get code s seeds for winning Dreamhack and puma would get seeds for winning NASL.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
February 01 2012 10:21 GMT
#283
On February 01 2012 19:15 BackSideAttack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 16:54 rift wrote:
They aren't foreigner seeds. They're for anyone who has had success in international tournaments, regardless of ethnicity.


Uh pretty sure thats not true, or else Koreans like hero would get code s seeds for winning Dreamhack and puma would get seeds for winning NASL.


Wow, that's actually a good point. Never thought of that!

In terms of achievements, they both are indeed better than Idra and Sen, I believe.
Idra has plenty of gold under his belt, but except IEM all of them are invitationals, I think.
BackSideAttack
Profile Joined December 2010
1103 Posts
February 01 2012 10:24 GMT
#284
On February 01 2012 11:31 Wombat_NI wrote:
Code A seeds based on foreign tournament placings seems fair enough. Gives the option to players to base themselves over in Korea without taking a ridiculous gamble.

Getting into the GSL is ridiculously difficult now, and without that exposure it seems the gap between the foreign and Korean scenes is widening. The carrot that is a Code A spot would at least help foreigners who want to go to Korea a first foot in the door, and from there hopefully they'd get to the levels required for Code S.

That said one of my main annoyances over the way the seedings have worked thus far is that not enough people are basing themselves in Korea and sticking it out. They'll get a Code A run, get knocked down and not come back.


Its one thing to give code A seeds to give incentives for foreigners to go to Korea, buts its another to give seeds to foreigners who were planning on staying in Korea REGARDLESS of being gifted a seed. If you look at all the top foreign players in Korea, the majority of them planned to stay long-term to get better and play with the best. There's a lot of people arguing that it makes the transition easier, but giving a code a seed to Huk and Naniwa after they had stayed in Korea for months is pretty silly. Gom is basically saying, "even with Korean training, foreigners can't be as good as Koreans."
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
February 01 2012 10:31 GMT
#285
On February 01 2012 19:24 BackSideAttack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 11:31 Wombat_NI wrote:
Code A seeds based on foreign tournament placings seems fair enough. Gives the option to players to base themselves over in Korea without taking a ridiculous gamble.

Getting into the GSL is ridiculously difficult now, and without that exposure it seems the gap between the foreign and Korean scenes is widening. The carrot that is a Code A spot would at least help foreigners who want to go to Korea a first foot in the door, and from there hopefully they'd get to the levels required for Code S.

That said one of my main annoyances over the way the seedings have worked thus far is that not enough people are basing themselves in Korea and sticking it out. They'll get a Code A run, get knocked down and not come back.


Its one thing to give code A seeds to give incentives for foreigners to go to Korea, buts its another to give seeds to foreigners who were planning on staying in Korea REGARDLESS of being gifted a seed. If you look at all the top foreign players in Korea, the majority of them planned to stay long-term to get better and play with the best. There's a lot of people arguing that it makes the transition easier, but giving a code a seed to Huk and Naniwa after they had stayed in Korea for months is pretty silly. Gom is basically saying, "even with Korean training, foreigners can't be as good as Koreans."


Those seeds couldn't be helped though, that's what Huk and Naniwa earned through their placing in the MLG, right?
Angelbelow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3728 Posts
February 01 2012 10:35 GMT
#286
On February 01 2012 19:15 BackSideAttack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 16:54 rift wrote:
They aren't foreigner seeds. They're for anyone who has had success in international tournaments, regardless of ethnicity.


Uh pretty sure thats not true, or else Koreans like hero would get code s seeds for winning Dreamhack and puma would get seeds for winning NASL.


I think with the new code S/code A format, they did infact introduce the option of handing out code S (2 per season) and code A spots based on international success.

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StrinterN
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark531 Posts
February 01 2012 12:05 GMT
#287
Its a hard question ..
hmm, maybe just only a few code a spots and not code s at all.
Twitter: @Strintern Stream: http://www.twitch.tv/strintern
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
February 01 2012 12:25 GMT
#288
On February 01 2012 19:35 Angelbelow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 19:15 BackSideAttack wrote:
On February 01 2012 16:54 rift wrote:
They aren't foreigner seeds. They're for anyone who has had success in international tournaments, regardless of ethnicity.


Uh pretty sure thats not true, or else Koreans like hero would get code s seeds for winning Dreamhack and puma would get seeds for winning NASL.


I think with the new code S/code A format, they did infact introduce the option of handing out code S (2 per season) and code A spots based on international success.



That's what they say officially, but what they do is implying otherwise.
Or they really believe that winning the taiwanese Battlenet Invitational weights more than winning Dreamhack once or NASL twice.
taitanik
Profile Joined December 2011
Latvia231 Posts
February 01 2012 12:29 GMT
#289
stop seeding foreigns , players should earn their spot theres probably a korean who works 5x harder than foreign who gets seed for free and loses
"the game is over only when you make it over"
Naniwa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Sweden477 Posts
February 01 2012 12:35 GMT
#290
dont worry guys, demuslim is coming soon!
Progamer
dragonborn
Profile Joined January 2012
4781 Posts
February 01 2012 14:58 GMT
#291
On February 01 2012 21:35 Naniwa wrote:
dont worry guys, demuslim is coming soon!

i love you naniwa :D
BackSideAttack
Profile Joined December 2010
1103 Posts
February 01 2012 21:14 GMT
#292
On February 01 2012 19:31 JustPassingBy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 19:24 BackSideAttack wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:31 Wombat_NI wrote:
Code A seeds based on foreign tournament placings seems fair enough. Gives the option to players to base themselves over in Korea without taking a ridiculous gamble.

Getting into the GSL is ridiculously difficult now, and without that exposure it seems the gap between the foreign and Korean scenes is widening. The carrot that is a Code A spot would at least help foreigners who want to go to Korea a first foot in the door, and from there hopefully they'd get to the levels required for Code S.

That said one of my main annoyances over the way the seedings have worked thus far is that not enough people are basing themselves in Korea and sticking it out. They'll get a Code A run, get knocked down and not come back.


Its one thing to give code A seeds to give incentives for foreigners to go to Korea, buts its another to give seeds to foreigners who were planning on staying in Korea REGARDLESS of being gifted a seed. If you look at all the top foreign players in Korea, the majority of them planned to stay long-term to get better and play with the best. There's a lot of people arguing that it makes the transition easier, but giving a code a seed to Huk and Naniwa after they had stayed in Korea for months is pretty silly. Gom is basically saying, "even with Korean training, foreigners can't be as good as Koreans."


Those seeds couldn't be helped though, that's what Huk and Naniwa earned through their placing in the MLG, right?


But thats exactly the problem though. MLG code A seeds are only given to foreigners, even if Koreans place higher. Why should Naniwa who had been training in Korea for an extensive period of time, be able to get a seed for placing not even top 5. If you recall Naniwa got 3 code A seeds from MLG. Also Huk was given a seed for the hell of it months after he started training in Korea. This was before the whole MLG deal took place.
Eee
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden2712 Posts
February 01 2012 21:18 GMT
#293
The foreigners haven't really proved that they deserve the invites, so no I dont think they should keep them really "/
The only foreigners who even made it past the first round where SjoW and Select.
mojo11
Profile Joined April 2011
3 Posts
February 01 2012 22:09 GMT
#294
Didn't Huk prove himself going through qualifiers and actually staying in Code S for a few seasons? I think if a foreigner can get top 4 in an event like MLG, IEM, ...etc (tournaments with several good koreans in it) I beleive they deserve a chance to prove themselves in korea with a seed in code s or at least a seed in code a. Its a win-win scenario for both gom and foreigners.
rotegirte
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany2859 Posts
February 01 2012 22:20 GMT
#295
On February 01 2012 19:21 JustPassingBy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 19:15 BackSideAttack wrote:
On February 01 2012 16:54 rift wrote:
They aren't foreigner seeds. They're for anyone who has had success in international tournaments, regardless of ethnicity.


Uh pretty sure thats not true, or else Koreans like hero would get code s seeds for winning Dreamhack and puma would get seeds for winning NASL.


Wow, that's actually a good point. Never thought of that!

In terms of achievements, they both are indeed better than Idra and Sen, I believe.
Idra has plenty of gold under his belt, but except IEM all of them are invitationals, I think.


It is still correct. As they formulated it, they are basically free to choose anyone they deem deserving. And they specifically mentioned that KR players are not exempt from the selection. That's it, nothing more, nothing less.

It is impossible to find a 100% fair metric of "player merit", so I'm fine with it.
Mafe
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany5966 Posts
February 01 2012 22:27 GMT
#296
Well since a foreigner needs to move to korea, which is still a big deal for your personal life, I believe it is fair to have an easier road into the GSL for foreigners.
But if the Code S seeds are reduced to one foreigner seed and maybe even have a qualification tournament (haven't heard this exists) for this slot might be better solution than we have now.
Just for the record:
Poll: If there were less foreigners in the GSL....

I would still watch every game possible. (22)
 
56%

I would still watch some matches, but fewer than before. (10)
 
26%

I wouldn't care about GSL anymore. (5)
 
13%

I would watch even more GSL. (2)
 
5%

39 total votes

Your vote: If there were less foreigners in the GSL....

(Vote): I would still watch every game possible.
(Vote): I would still watch some matches, but fewer than before.
(Vote): I wouldn't care about GSL anymore.
(Vote): I would watch even more GSL.


Deadeight
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1629 Posts
February 01 2012 22:27 GMT
#297
I really like seeing foreigners in the GSL.


But then arguably maybe they should have to qualify. They've never really done well. I don't want to see them seeded into code S just to see them lose, go to code A, and lose 2-0 there as well.

HuK and Idra are probably the best NA players. Their recent performances in GSL may or may not be indicative of their skill level but they do raise questions.
Robinsa
Profile Joined May 2009
Japan1333 Posts
February 02 2012 11:05 GMT
#298
On February 01 2012 12:36 Sub40APM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 12:33 Robinsa wrote:
I think they should give only code a except to the winners of MLG that should have code s. They also need to seed Naniwa now. By not doing so they behave like 5 year olds with a grudge. He's obviously one of the best foreigners.

obviously?

Well only Idra and Huk can really compete with him in terms of acchivements. I think he has proved that hes one of the absolute best foreigners.
4649!!
SolidMustard
Profile Joined May 2011
France1515 Posts
February 05 2012 14:59 GMT
#299
On February 02 2012 20:05 Robinsa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 12:36 Sub40APM wrote:
On February 01 2012 12:33 Robinsa wrote:
I think they should give only code a except to the winners of MLG that should have code s. They also need to seed Naniwa now. By not doing so they behave like 5 year olds with a grudge. He's obviously one of the best foreigners.

obviously?

Well only Idra and Huk can really compete with him in terms of acchivements. I think he has proved that hes one of the absolute best foreigners.


Stephano is the best foreigner. Stop the denial, guys
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-05 18:28:25
February 05 2012 16:29 GMT
#300
On February 05 2012 23:59 SolidMustard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 20:05 Robinsa wrote:
On February 01 2012 12:36 Sub40APM wrote:
On February 01 2012 12:33 Robinsa wrote:
I think they should give only code a except to the winners of MLG that should have code s. They also need to seed Naniwa now. By not doing so they behave like 5 year olds with a grudge. He's obviously one of the best foreigners.

obviously?

Well only Idra and Huk can really compete with him in terms of acchivements. I think he has proved that hes one of the absolute best foreigners.


Stephano is the best foreigner. Stop the denial, guys

How can you even make that claim without him beating top koreans is beyond me.
Isn't the biggest thing he won IPL where he basically dodged all good koreans?
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