EPTForeigners' Seeds in the GSL - Page 15
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Detwiler
United States239 Posts
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BackSideAttack
1103 Posts
On February 01 2012 16:54 rift wrote: They aren't foreigner seeds. They're for anyone who has had success in international tournaments, regardless of ethnicity. Uh pretty sure thats not true, or else Koreans like hero would get code s seeds for winning Dreamhack and puma would get seeds for winning NASL. | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On February 01 2012 19:15 BackSideAttack wrote: Uh pretty sure thats not true, or else Koreans like hero would get code s seeds for winning Dreamhack and puma would get seeds for winning NASL. Wow, that's actually a good point. Never thought of that! In terms of achievements, they both are indeed better than Idra and Sen, I believe. Idra has plenty of gold under his belt, but except IEM all of them are invitationals, I think. | ||
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BackSideAttack
1103 Posts
On February 01 2012 11:31 Wombat_NI wrote: Code A seeds based on foreign tournament placings seems fair enough. Gives the option to players to base themselves over in Korea without taking a ridiculous gamble. Getting into the GSL is ridiculously difficult now, and without that exposure it seems the gap between the foreign and Korean scenes is widening. The carrot that is a Code A spot would at least help foreigners who want to go to Korea a first foot in the door, and from there hopefully they'd get to the levels required for Code S. That said one of my main annoyances over the way the seedings have worked thus far is that not enough people are basing themselves in Korea and sticking it out. They'll get a Code A run, get knocked down and not come back. Its one thing to give code A seeds to give incentives for foreigners to go to Korea, buts its another to give seeds to foreigners who were planning on staying in Korea REGARDLESS of being gifted a seed. If you look at all the top foreign players in Korea, the majority of them planned to stay long-term to get better and play with the best. There's a lot of people arguing that it makes the transition easier, but giving a code a seed to Huk and Naniwa after they had stayed in Korea for months is pretty silly. Gom is basically saying, "even with Korean training, foreigners can't be as good as Koreans." | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On February 01 2012 19:24 BackSideAttack wrote: Its one thing to give code A seeds to give incentives for foreigners to go to Korea, buts its another to give seeds to foreigners who were planning on staying in Korea REGARDLESS of being gifted a seed. If you look at all the top foreign players in Korea, the majority of them planned to stay long-term to get better and play with the best. There's a lot of people arguing that it makes the transition easier, but giving a code a seed to Huk and Naniwa after they had stayed in Korea for months is pretty silly. Gom is basically saying, "even with Korean training, foreigners can't be as good as Koreans." Those seeds couldn't be helped though, that's what Huk and Naniwa earned through their placing in the MLG, right? | ||
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Angelbelow
United States3728 Posts
On February 01 2012 19:15 BackSideAttack wrote: Uh pretty sure thats not true, or else Koreans like hero would get code s seeds for winning Dreamhack and puma would get seeds for winning NASL. I think with the new code S/code A format, they did infact introduce the option of handing out code S (2 per season) and code A spots based on international success. | ||
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StrinterN
Denmark531 Posts
hmm, maybe just only a few code a spots and not code s at all. | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On February 01 2012 19:35 Angelbelow wrote: I think with the new code S/code A format, they did infact introduce the option of handing out code S (2 per season) and code A spots based on international success. That's what they say officially, but what they do is implying otherwise. Or they really believe that winning the taiwanese Battlenet Invitational weights more than winning Dreamhack once or NASL twice. | ||
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taitanik
Latvia231 Posts
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Naniwa
Sweden477 Posts
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dragonborn
4781 Posts
On February 01 2012 21:35 Naniwa wrote: dont worry guys, demuslim is coming soon! i love you naniwa :D | ||
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BackSideAttack
1103 Posts
On February 01 2012 19:31 JustPassingBy wrote: Those seeds couldn't be helped though, that's what Huk and Naniwa earned through their placing in the MLG, right? But thats exactly the problem though. MLG code A seeds are only given to foreigners, even if Koreans place higher. Why should Naniwa who had been training in Korea for an extensive period of time, be able to get a seed for placing not even top 5. If you recall Naniwa got 3 code A seeds from MLG. Also Huk was given a seed for the hell of it months after he started training in Korea. This was before the whole MLG deal took place. | ||
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Eee
Sweden2712 Posts
The only foreigners who even made it past the first round where SjoW and Select. | ||
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mojo11
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rotegirte
Germany2859 Posts
On February 01 2012 19:21 JustPassingBy wrote: Wow, that's actually a good point. Never thought of that! In terms of achievements, they both are indeed better than Idra and Sen, I believe. Idra has plenty of gold under his belt, but except IEM all of them are invitationals, I think. It is still correct. As they formulated it, they are basically free to choose anyone they deem deserving. And they specifically mentioned that KR players are not exempt from the selection. That's it, nothing more, nothing less. It is impossible to find a 100% fair metric of "player merit", so I'm fine with it. | ||
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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
But if the Code S seeds are reduced to one foreigner seed and maybe even have a qualification tournament (haven't heard this exists) for this slot might be better solution than we have now. Just for the record: Poll: If there were less foreigners in the GSL.... I would still watch every game possible. (22) I would still watch some matches, but fewer than before. (10) I wouldn't care about GSL anymore. (5) I would watch even more GSL. (2) 39 total votes Your vote: If there were less foreigners in the GSL.... (Vote): I would still watch every game possible. | ||
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Deadeight
United Kingdom1629 Posts
But then arguably maybe they should have to qualify. They've never really done well. I don't want to see them seeded into code S just to see them lose, go to code A, and lose 2-0 there as well. HuK and Idra are probably the best NA players. Their recent performances in GSL may or may not be indicative of their skill level but they do raise questions. | ||
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Robinsa
Japan1333 Posts
Well only Idra and Huk can really compete with him in terms of acchivements. I think he has proved that hes one of the absolute best foreigners. | ||
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SolidMustard
France1515 Posts
On February 02 2012 20:05 Robinsa wrote: Well only Idra and Huk can really compete with him in terms of acchivements. I think he has proved that hes one of the absolute best foreigners. Stephano is the best foreigner. Stop the denial, guys | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On February 05 2012 23:59 SolidMustard wrote: Stephano is the best foreigner. Stop the denial, guys How can you even make that claim without him beating top koreans is beyond me. Isn't the biggest thing he won IPL where he basically dodged all good koreans? | ||
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