EPTForeigners' Seeds in the GSL - Page 13
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Netsky
Australia1155 Posts
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HellionDrop
281 Posts
i also think GSL helps delusional fans to realize how tough the competition is in Korea, and that they would think twice before ranking huk/idra the top 10 toss/zerg in the world. ( remember we had threads like that on TL?) its not that the best koreans are that much better than huk and idra, but there are like 100 koreans as good as them. | ||
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Hrrrrm
United States2081 Posts
On February 01 2012 11:53 windsupernova wrote: I don't get it why do Koreans dominate in SC2 too? I mean with BW one could understand that the Koreans had more money and thus were capable of focusing on training more. But what happened with SC2?Are our players just less hardworking? I don't really mind the seeds tbh, what pisses me off us the multitude of foreigner fans who blindly defend and try to protect their pros as if they were 10 years old. If they are underperforming we should ask more from the foreign players, it always kills me when a foreigner losses we get 10 million posts making excuses for them. The seeds are fine though, I'd actually advocate getting rid of the Code A seed and keep the up and down and code S seeds. Its not about making it easier for the foreigners, but its about giving them incentives to come over to Korea and at least have some certainty. And LOL @ all the people still mad about the naniwa incident You don't need more incentive than playing in the tournament with the absolute best competition and bypassing the horrors that are Code B qualifiers. If someone won't come over with a Code A seed, then that speaks volumes at how much confidence they have of actually doing well. If they are just interested in pay checks with the least amount of effort then Korea isn't for them. A lot of foreigners have already shown they don't have the testicular fortitude to put in the same amount of work than the Koreans. Just on that barometer alone means they will get left behind. | ||
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
Only exception is something like MLG where top people compete for 1 S slot and get it sometimes such as DRG, MMA and MC. | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
On February 01 2012 12:10 Hrrrrm wrote: You don't need more incentive than playing in the tournament with the absolute best competition and bypassing the horrors that are Code B qualifiers. If someone won't come over with a Code A seed, then that speaks volumes at how much confidence they have of actually doing well. If they are just interested in pay checks with the least amount of effort then Korea isn't for them. A lot of foreigners have already shown they don't have the testicular fortitude to put in the same amount of work than the Koreans. Just on that barometer alone means they will get left behind. Yep.. agree with this. I just find it hard to justify a seed, when the seeded players have never shown the dedication to actually do well in the toughest scene. As a "sportsman", you should strive to defeat the very best in the hardest possible scenario. | ||
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v3chr0
United States856 Posts
Wow, why is that the second choice? lol, why would you want to see less foreigners in the GSL? Obviously the ones who make it are on par, or close to it. Weird, and shocking... even the Koreans want more foreigners. edit: Seed to Code A or Code B at least (from Major Events), but some sort of seed IMO, so the foreigners can prove themselves before hand. | ||
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Robinsa
Japan1333 Posts
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On February 01 2012 12:33 Robinsa wrote: I think they should give only code a except to the winners of MLG that should have code s. They also need to seed Naniwa now. By not doing so they behave like 5 year olds with a grudge. He's obviously one of the best foreigners. obviously? | ||
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Azzur
Australia6260 Posts
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Luepert
United States1933 Posts
Idra did not earn his way in, he was given a free ride and went 0-6 straight out of the entire league, he obviously doesn't belong. | ||
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
On February 01 2012 00:42 red4ce wrote: To my knowledge, not a single notable Korean progamer has complained about foreigners getting seeded into code A/S. In fact when asked about it most of them welcome international participation in the GSL. 2 spots out of 32 isn't that big a deal. The new GSL format means if a player doesn't deserve to be in code whatever he'll drop out quickly anyways. At any rate Mr. Chae has already addressed this. GOM is running a business and foreign players bring in more views than the 31st and 32nd best Korean would. Just think of it as a small sacrifice for the greater good. Whatever. This is why I stopped buying GSL (well coupled with that BS lying about NANI didnt earn a code S deal). I can watch any number of invitationals every week but before GSL stood for merit, the best of the best, not a popularity contest. I can watch invitatinals for FREE, thanks anyway GSL. Chae has a point about gifted Koreans in foreign tounaments however the thing that made GSL unique and worth paying for IMO was pure merit. He should give GSL away for free if he's really interested in emulating foriegn tounaments who gift Koreans in his efforts twards reciprocity. Somehow I don't see that coming. | ||
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Powerhunger
7 Posts
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magnaflow
Canada1521 Posts
On February 01 2012 12:33 v3chr0 wrote: "Stop seeding foreigners anyhow (280)" Wow, why is that the second choice? lol, why would you want to see less foreigners in the GSL? Obviously the ones who make it are on par, or close to it. Weird, and shocking... even the Koreans want more foreigners. Of course they do, it's free wins. | ||
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Robonord
United States311 Posts
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
On February 01 2012 11:53 windsupernova wrote: I don't get it why do Koreans dominate in SC2 too? I mean with BW one could understand that the Koreans had more money and thus were capable of focusing on training more. But what happened with SC2?Are our players just less hardworking? I don't really mind the seeds tbh, what pisses me off us the multitude of foreigner fans who blindly defend and try to protect their pros as if they were 10 years old. If they are underperforming we should ask more from the foreign players, it always kills me when a foreigner losses we get 10 million posts making excuses for them. The seeds are fine though, I'd actually advocate getting rid of the Code A seed and keep the up and down and code S seeds. Its not about making it easier for the foreigners, but its about giving them incentives to come over to Korea and at least have some certainty. And LOL @ all the people still mad about the naniwa incident the infrastructure is missing, it hasn't developed that far outside of korea (just now starting). bw is why koreans dominates in sc2. i do want to see more white people fight koreans, perhaps code A should be abundant with free invites for those that are proven  | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13293 Posts
If they take out the invites I think we'd see close to zero foreigner participation in the GSL. With so many quality foreigner tournies to play in there wouldn't be much incentive to play in the GSL which is so much harder to do well in. | ||
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v3chr0
United States856 Posts
On February 01 2012 11:53 windsupernova wrote: I don't get it why do Koreans dominate in SC2 too? ... Their culture is developed around the game. It's more stream lined in their minds how to go be a pro, theyre in the area mostly all of the top pros, so its easier for them to practice with each other and develop. America for one, has its top players spread out from coast to coast, leaving it hard for these players to get together especially if they aren't taking in any money or sponsorship. You see how most players who go to Korea improve, it's just the atmosphere. Most people in America still don't know that competitive video-game sports even exist, getting support from people, especially your parents or relatives is a hard feat, so it's not something most young people can grow into. I can't leave out that their practice regimens are very thorough. The mindset, atmosphere, and culture all help to build a lot of determination also. | ||
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
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Fleshcut
Germany592 Posts
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papaz
Sweden4149 Posts
The reality is that only worked during early seasons of GSL. The skill gap between Koreans and foreigners is increasing and that is being obvious more and more. No one should be given charity spots. Either you have what it takes to be there or you don't. This MLG - GSL exchange program is getting a bit embarassing. GSL is sending Koreans to MLG and they roflstomp the field more or less. MLG is sending players to GSL and they get knocked out immidiately more or less. The idea of bringing the community together is nice but in reality this isn't the right approach. TLDR: No more charity spots please | ||
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