EPTForeigners' Seeds in the GSL - Page 14
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fortheGG
United Kingdom1002 Posts
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ceaRshaf
Romania4926 Posts
I can just imagine what's going on in the slayers house, for example, with meetings and discussions about strategies where over the ocean the best accomplishment of the day for a progamer is if he fooled Deezer into not stream sniping him. BIG DIFFERENCE! I don't want freebies for foreigners. They have to compete. | ||
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rift
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MercilessMonkey
Canada150 Posts
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Regime
Australia185 Posts
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Wafflelisk
Canada1061 Posts
On February 01 2012 16:54 rift wrote: They aren't foreigner seeds. They're for anyone who has had success in international tournaments, regardless of ethnicity. But some of the seeds *are* specifically for non-Koreans. (MLG springs to mind) | ||
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ReturnStroke
United States801 Posts
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On February 01 2012 12:33 v3chr0 wrote: "Stop seeding foreigners anyhow (280)" Wow, why is that the second choice? lol, why would you want to see less foreigners in the GSL? Obviously the ones who make it are on par, or close to it. Weird, and shocking... even the Koreans want more foreigners. edit: Seed to Code A or Code B at least (from Major Events), but some sort of seed IMO, so the foreigners can prove themselves before hand. Are you aware of the foreigner W-L in Korea over the past 2 months? It's abyssmal. They might be trying their best to improve, but any random code B korean can take a series off the best foreigners. Perhaps when/if the skill gap between foreigners and koreans shrinks, which it very well could if they made long-term plans for staying in Korea and battle through qualifiers. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
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naux
Canada738 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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Nifel
706 Posts
I see the foreign and the Korean scene as two different things now. I can still support and enjoy watching foreign games, but the Korean players are in a different league, and the gap seems to be constantly growing. | ||
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reptile
United States210 Posts
On February 01 2012 00:44 pStar wrote: + Show Spoiler + stop giving foreigners seeds. We are terrible. Just look at HuK and idrAs play today. wasn't even close to the Korean's they were playing ( to be fairt hough, Sen played reasonably well) May seem harsh, but just my opinion. This is a ridiculous statement. Judging a player over a single match set? Are you crazy? The community is so quick to judge it's unbelievable. Not too long ago HuK was considered the best foreign Protoss, and before that IdrA the best foreign Zerg. Both of them have proven they have what it takes to take on some of the best korean pro gamers. They both have wins against MC, MVP, BOXER, MMA, etc. Anyone can lose a match. To dismiss an entire scene of players based on a bo3 loss is atrocious and you should have nothing to do with eSports, much less Starcraft. Both HuK and IdrA have proven themselves in the GSL before, just because they struggled this time doesn't mean anything. Not even a month ago people were doubting Nestea, and a couple months before that they were talking about how MC was terrible. Get over it. Players struggle, and the ones who are willing to fight through it even with all the doubt are the ones who come out on top. I look forward to HuK and IdrA's improvement as well as the rest of the foreign scene. | ||
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Gheed
United States972 Posts
On February 01 2012 17:46 reptile wrote: This is a ridiculous statement. Judging a player over a single match set? Are you crazy? The community is so quick to judge it's unbelievable. Not too long ago HuK was considered the best foreign Protoss, and before that IdrA the best foreign Zerg. Both of them have proven they have what it takes to take on some of the best korean pro gamers. They both have wins against MC, MVP, BOXER, MMA, etc. Anyone can lose a match. To dismiss an entire scene of players based on a bo3 loss is atrocious and you should have nothing to do with eSports, much less Starcraft. Both HuK and IdrA have proven themselves in the GSL before, just because they struggled this time doesn't mean anything. Not even a month ago people were doubting Nestea, and a couple months before that they were talking about how MC was terrible. Get over it. Players struggle, and the ones who are willing to fight through it even with all the doubt are the ones who come out on top. I look forward to HuK and IdrA's improvement as well as the rest of the foreign scene. Huk and idra had to lose more than a bo3 to drop to code a and then drop out. Also "best foreigner" isn't saying much, not that they even are the best foreigners. | ||
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FakeDeath
Malaysia6060 Posts
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On February 01 2012 17:08 Wafflelisk wrote: But some of the seeds *are* specifically for non-Koreans. (MLG springs to mind) That's because it's an MLG GSL exchange program where the MLG seeds are specifically *for* koreans. They haven't said anything else about the two code S spots, but also getting top 3 in MLG nets you code S as well, regardless of ethnicity. | ||
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Lysenko
Iceland2128 Posts
On February 01 2012 17:52 Gheed wrote: Huk and idra had to lose more than a bo3 to drop to code a and then drop out. Edit: What I'd written wasn't quite accurate, so here's HuK's case, just for an example. In the Nov 2011 GSL tournament, he started out Code S and won 3 matches and lost 2, which wound up putting him 3rd in his group and dropped him to Code A. That seems like competitive performance to me, just wasn't good enough. | ||
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Seiniyta
Belgium1815 Posts
IdrA's PvZ is just abysmall, so yeah no surprise there. | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
But I do hope that the GSTL will make arrangements that we will be able to see some foreign teams participating, even if it's through "online" (seriously, what is not played online in starcraft 2?). | ||
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Seraphone
United Kingdom1219 Posts
On February 01 2012 18:06 Lysenko wrote: Edit: What I'd written wasn't quite accurate, so here's HuK's case, just for an example. In the Nov 2011 GSL tournament, he started out Code S and won 3 matches and lost 2, which wound up putting him 3rd in his group and dropped him to Code A. That seems like competitive performance to me, just wasn't good enough. And then he went 0-2 vs Kean, 1-3 in the Up/Downs and 1-2 vs Terious. That's 2-7 in Code A since he dropped out of Code S. No one can possibly pretend a 28% win rate should land you anywhere but Code B. On February 01 2012 17:46 reptile wrote: This is a ridiculous statement. Judging a player over a single match set? Are you crazy? The community is so quick to judge it's unbelievable. Not too long ago HuK was considered the best foreign Protoss, and before that IdrA the best foreign Zerg. Both of them have proven they have what it takes to take on some of the best korean pro gamers. They both have wins against MC, MVP, BOXER, MMA, etc. Anyone can lose a match. To dismiss an entire scene of players based on a bo3 loss is atrocious and you should have nothing to do with eSports, much less Starcraft. Both HuK and IdrA have proven themselves in the GSL before, just because they struggled this time doesn't mean anything. Not even a month ago people were doubting Nestea, and a couple months before that they were talking about how MC was terrible. Get over it. Players struggle, and the ones who are willing to fight through it even with all the doubt are the ones who come out on top. I look forward to HuK and IdrA's improvement as well as the rest of the foreign scene. Huk is still the best foreign Protoss and Idra is still once of the best foreign Zergs. Huk has never beaten MVP, he beat MMA almost a year ago, anyone can win in PvP and MC has beaten Huk too. Boxer is not a top player. Idra has taken games from MC but never beaten him overall, he's never beaten MMA or MVP either (no ladder doesn't count. Boxer is not a top player. All Huk has proven in GSL is that he managed to qualify by a very easy bracket almost a year ago and then much like Ensnare, Hongun, Trickster and many other players he was able to linger in Code S achieving very little because it was so difficult to drop out of Code S. His overall win rate in Korea is 44%. He doesn't have a >50% win rate in any matchup. That is not doing well and it is not proving yourself. Another key point is that in his entire GSL career Huk has won one set vs an (at the time) top player. The best of 1 vs Nestea where Nestea completely threw a won game away. Huk has never looked solid in Korea, he's looked like someone who can beat players in their worst matchup's (Killer in PvP) and will lose the first time he meets a player who is solid vs Protoss. Idra's GSL run was over a year ago, it has no relevance to the current scene. Some of the players he beat don't even play the game anymore. This run he went 1-6 and aside from Nestea he wasn't playing the pinnacle of Korean starcraft either. Lucky is known as a weak ZvZer and Avenge is a no name. | ||
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