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Foreigners' Seeds in the GSL

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SolidMustard
Profile Joined May 2011
France1515 Posts
January 31 2012 15:32 GMT
#1
Hi TL,

I would like to know what the community thinks about GomTV giving some foreigners direct seeds into Code S (or code A, or up&down). I personnally feel like it's a bad thing for the tournament, as it creates some kind of imbalance between those who fought hard to deserve their spot, and those who just had the chance not to be koreans. Furthermore, the consequence is that the foreigners just get raped pretty much every time, and the fact that they got auto seeding probably doesn't help their confidence going into a match against a qualified player.

On the other hand, I think Gom assumes that seeding foreigners will bring more foreign viewers. As far as I'm concerned, it doesn't change anything, I just want to see the best players, regardless to their nationality.

So here's a poll. What do you think ?

Poll: What should GOM do about the foreigner seeds?

Give Code A seeds only (636)
 
50%

Stop seeding foreigners anyhow (366)
 
29%

Keep the Code S seeds (178)
 
14%

Give seeds into up&down (95)
 
7%

1275 total votes

Your vote: What should GOM do about the foreigner seeds?

(Vote): Keep the Code S seeds
(Vote): Give Code A seeds only
(Vote): Give seeds into up&down
(Vote): Stop seeding foreigners anyhow

ShakkaFL
Profile Joined March 2011
Norway647 Posts
January 31 2012 15:39 GMT
#2
well... its good for koreans, its almost a walkover for a lucky korean :p
Terran 24/7
SolidMustard
Profile Joined May 2011
France1515 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-31 15:41:31
January 31 2012 15:41 GMT
#3
On February 01 2012 00:39 ShakkaFL wrote:
well... its good for koreans, its almost a walkover for a lucky korean :p


He, kind of true, but there is also one unlucky korean (or foreigner, we have the right to dream) who could have qualified but doesn't because one more foreigner seed equals one less qualification spot
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-31 15:43:25
January 31 2012 15:42 GMT
#4
To my knowledge, not a single notable Korean progamer has complained about foreigners getting seeded into code A/S. In fact when asked about it most of them welcome international participation in the GSL. 2 spots out of 32 isn't that big a deal. The new GSL format means if a player doesn't deserve to be in code whatever he'll drop out quickly anyways.

At any rate Mr. Chae has already addressed this. GOM is running a business and foreign players bring in more views than the 31st and 32nd best Korean would. Just think of it as a small sacrifice for the greater good.

Many of the invited foreign players show poor games and are knocked out quickly. Taking this into consideration, aren't some of the Korean players or teams unhappy with the increased foreign seeds?

The teams and players have no qualms. If you think about it the other way, Korean players already receive a higher number of seeds, and better placed seeds as well in foreign tournaments. It's the same principle as how foreign players don't have any complaints about that (although, I guess there may be some discontent?).

If I can use the World Cup as an example, it might be easier to explain. If the World Cup went purely by FIFA rankings, Korea would never be able to play, and it would have become a tournament that only South America and Europe enjoyed.

We don't want GSL to only establish itself as a Korean national league. We want to offer an incentive for foreign players to come to Korea, if they should ever have the opportunity. I think if they use the opportunity to come here and take in Korean pro-gaming culture, then they can become stronger than they are now.

GSL wants to provide those kind of opportunities. Also, I think that we were relatively successful at that last year. Two years ago, could you have imagined so many foreign players working with Korean teams and coming to Korea?

ElusoryX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Singapore2047 Posts
January 31 2012 15:43 GMT
#5
The point of the seeds are to make GSL stand for what it does. It's global, not just for the koreans. GOM is giving seeds to let foreigners have a chance to play in the GSL, and if they're good enough, they will eventually stay and compete. Although I don't like the idea of Code S seeds, I feel they should be driven straight into the Up & Down as a sort of 'placement' match.
xd
pStar
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
996 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-31 16:07:49
January 31 2012 15:44 GMT
#6
+ Show Spoiler +
stop giving foreigners seeds. We are terrible. Just look at HuK and idrAs play today. wasn't even close to the Korean's they were playing ( to be fairt hough, Sen played reasonably well)

May seem harsh, but just my opinion.
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
January 31 2012 15:44 GMT
#7
Having non-GSL tournaments that non-koreans can win in order to get GSL seeds is fine. However, the random seeding is not, nor is what they did with MLG, which is offering a seed, then changing the rules and withdrawing it.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3683 Posts
January 31 2012 15:45 GMT
#8
The seeds themselves are the only way gom can make this truly global, it's already hard enough to have a foreigner stay in korea just for one league, giving him a seed makes it a lot easier...
But I do agree that they shouldn't give out code s seeds, up/downs and code a seeds are fine.
SC2NeCro
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada507 Posts
January 31 2012 15:46 GMT
#9
Give them Code A seeds so they work their way through Koreans to deserve the spot.
Fav Terran: forGG, aLive, Jinro ||| Fav Zerg: Moon, TLO, DRG ||| Fav Protoss: Genius, Grubby, ToD
Nekovivie
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2599 Posts
January 31 2012 15:47 GMT
#10
GSL is supposed to be about the best players, so everyone should have to qualify.

Invites/seeds just kinda take away from it.
If you are not supporting K-Pop you are hurting E-Sports.
horsebanger
Profile Joined January 2012
141 Posts
January 31 2012 15:47 GMT
#11
Everyone should have a fair shot at getting into the GSL. I don't care if you're Korean or not, I just wan't to see the best and hence I'm against seeds.
Aphasie
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Norway474 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-31 15:51:38
January 31 2012 15:47 GMT
#12
On February 01 2012 00:44 pStar wrote:
stop giving foreigners seeds. We are terrible. + Show Spoiler +
Just look at HuK and idrAs play today. wasn't even close to the Korean's they were playing ( to be fairt hough, Sen played reasonably well)

May seem harsh, but just my opinion.


Hey dipshit, you might want to spoiler that so my day was the only one you've ruined so far.....
(Edit: Spoilered my qoute, in case he changes it - so u cant read it in the quote. Edit2: PMed him too)

Anyway i dont feel it is right to give away free entry to "the most competitive tournament in the world". I understand it for GOM and i LOVE seeing foreigners compete. But it breaks the principle of competition, so in the end im against it.
Matkap
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Spain627 Posts
January 31 2012 15:49 GMT
#13
if you people really think that there wasnt more people today watching GSL, you are just dumb, just look at all the threads and the activity on the forums today
A man tells his stories so many times that he becomes the stories. They live on after him, and in that way he becomes immortal.
DrPandaPhD
Profile Joined November 2011
5188 Posts
January 31 2012 15:49 GMT
#14
I just think it's wrong that the koreans who just barely didn't make it doesn't get a spot when some gets it for free. Imagine being a runner-up in the Code A qualifier / Just barely lost a Up-and-Down match. It's just plain unfair that they give out seeds like that :/
리노크 👑
Farone
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands1219 Posts
January 31 2012 15:50 GMT
#15
On February 01 2012 00:47 Aphasie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 00:44 pStar wrote:
stop giving foreigners seeds. We are terrible. + Show Spoiler +
Just look at HuK and idrAs play today. wasn't even close to the Korean's they were playing ( to be fairt hough, Sen played reasonably well)

May seem harsh, but just my opinion.


Hey dipshit, you might want to spoiler that so my day was the only one you've ruined so far.....
(Spoilered my qoute, in case he changes it - so u cant read it in the quote)

Anyway i dont feel it is right to give away free entry to "the most competitive tournament in the world". I understand it for GOM and i LOVE seeing foreigners compete. But it breaks the principle of competition, so in the end im against it.



if you want to be spoiled dont go to a news site

ontopic: I think the code S seeds are fine as it is, as it attract also the foreign scene a lot more!
MC, Stephano, Ret, Jjakji, Grubby, Life, HerO, Scarlett, TaeJa
RPR_Tempest
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia7798 Posts
January 31 2012 15:51 GMT
#16
On February 01 2012 00:42 red4ce wrote:
To my knowledge, not a single notable Korean progamer has complained about foreigners getting seeded into code A/S. In fact when asked about it most of them welcome international participation in the GSL. 2 spots out of 32 isn't that big a deal. The new GSL format means if a player doesn't deserve to be in code whatever he'll drop out quickly anyways.

At any rate Mr. Chae has already addressed this. GOM is running a business and foreign players bring in more views than the 31st and 32nd best Korean would. Just think of it as a small sacrifice for the greater good.

Show nested quote +
Many of the invited foreign players show poor games and are knocked out quickly. Taking this into consideration, aren't some of the Korean players or teams unhappy with the increased foreign seeds?

The teams and players have no qualms. If you think about it the other way, Korean players already receive a higher number of seeds, and better placed seeds as well in foreign tournaments. It's the same principle as how foreign players don't have any complaints about that (although, I guess there may be some discontent?).

If I can use the World Cup as an example, it might be easier to explain. If the World Cup went purely by FIFA rankings, Korea would never be able to play, and it would have become a tournament that only South America and Europe enjoyed.

We don't want GSL to only establish itself as a Korean national league. We want to offer an incentive for foreign players to come to Korea, if they should ever have the opportunity. I think if they use the opportunity to come here and take in Korean pro-gaming culture, then they can become stronger than they are now.

GSL wants to provide those kind of opportunities. Also, I think that we were relatively successful at that last year. Two years ago, could you have imagined so many foreign players working with Korean teams and coming to Korea?


The topic should end right here.

Foreigners in GSL increases viewership. It's good for e-sports.
Soundwave, Zerg player from Canberra, Australia. @SoundwaveSC
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
January 31 2012 15:53 GMT
#17
Code S seeds is too much, maybe Code A seeds will do. Would be curious to find out the percentage of people that has passed from their invite, because IdrA, HuK and Sen they were all given Code S but they dropped down to Code A? Right?
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
mrafaeldie12
Profile Joined July 2011
Brazil537 Posts
January 31 2012 15:53 GMT
#18
I honestly seeding/inviting takes away from tournament experience,not only on GSL but on other tournaments aswell,something I love the GSL for is it long standing with several qualifier stages,the foreigner seeding only serves the purpose to show that foreigners suck
"..it all comes thumbling down thumbling down thumblin down"
SKYFISH_
Profile Joined April 2011
Bulgaria990 Posts
January 31 2012 15:54 GMT
#19
stop giving them seeds altogether, it has become embarrassing at this point, at least for me

maybe give out seeds for the up/down matches
just maybe
In Soviet Terranistan you rush the Zerg
DaNom
Profile Joined December 2010
Poland144 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-31 15:56:30
January 31 2012 15:56 GMT
#20
Without GSL seedes the gap between foreigners and Koreans is going to get bigger and bigger IMO. If Koreans dominate SC2 im sure this game is gonna die in foreign countries i think.
DaNom.211 BNet EU
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