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On February 01 2012 00:42 red4ce wrote:To my knowledge, not a single notable Korean progamer has complained about foreigners getting seeded into code A/S. In fact when asked about it most of them welcome international participation in the GSL. 2 spots out of 32 isn't that big a deal. The new GSL format means if a player doesn't deserve to be in code whatever he'll drop out quickly anyways. At any rate Mr. Chae has already addressed this. GOM is running a business and foreign players bring in more views than the 31st and 32nd best Korean would. Just think of it as a small sacrifice for the greater good. Show nested quote +Many of the invited foreign players show poor games and are knocked out quickly. Taking this into consideration, aren't some of the Korean players or teams unhappy with the increased foreign seeds?
The teams and players have no qualms. If you think about it the other way, Korean players already receive a higher number of seeds, and better placed seeds as well in foreign tournaments. It's the same principle as how foreign players don't have any complaints about that (although, I guess there may be some discontent?).
If I can use the World Cup as an example, it might be easier to explain. If the World Cup went purely by FIFA rankings, Korea would never be able to play, and it would have become a tournament that only South America and Europe enjoyed.
We don't want GSL to only establish itself as a Korean national league. We want to offer an incentive for foreign players to come to Korea, if they should ever have the opportunity. I think if they use the opportunity to come here and take in Korean pro-gaming culture, then they can become stronger than they are now.
GSL wants to provide those kind of opportunities. Also, I think that we were relatively successful at that last year. Two years ago, could you have imagined so many foreign players working with Korean teams and coming to Korea?
Hmm... He does have a point. It justifies Code A seeds fairly well, but I still think straight code S seed is too much
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brings in audience, even if the korean lovers aren't affected one bit. (they still watch, but foreigner lovers watch as well). Also i think its good for foreigners to see how koreans train. So just a win win situation for everyone, unless you want gls every 3 month.
Not that gom hands them out like candy. But some seeds are to get viewers.
So imo everyone against this has just their own benefit in mind.
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Code A seeds sounds about fair i guess..
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Some foreigners are great and deserve code A title. Idra, Naniwa, HuK, all beated quite a large amount of koreans, code S koreans at that...
But, even if they are good enough to participate in the coda A qualification and maybe win, do you really think that they would risk everything and they would go to Korea to MAYBE get a code A spot, IF they are lucky. (It's not all about skills, there is a fair bit of luck in the Code A qualifier.) No. They would stay here, in NA/EU. The scene is bigger anyway and they can actually win more money.
No seeds pretty much means no foreigners in Code A/S, EVER. Not because foreigners are not good enough, but because foreigners can't invest that much money into going to korea for just a chance to get into code A if they are not there for another reason.
And it's a fact that no IdrA/HuK/etc in GSL mean less views.
It's not BW, the NA/EU scene is quite big. If GSL want to be at least a little on par with it, they need to offer seeds, or else, every players, even korans, will start to go more and more to NA/EU events and the korean scene will take a big hit. The Korean scene probably needs foreigners players/viewers to survive.
But yeah, I guess Code A seeds are enough.
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Seed to Code A is reasonable. Seed to Code S bypasses too much competition.
Also, watching a foreigner get seeded to Code S and then bomb right out, and then get destroyed in Code A is depressing. At least if they lose straight up in Code A, then it's not as embarrassing.
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Seriously, people can vote whatever they want in this poll... At the end of the day, Gom is a business and they know the viewership numbers. I wonder what the viewership for Ro32 will be for Terious/Avenge compare with Huk/Avenge, Idra/Terious, or Idra/Huk.
I don't think people who were thinking on subscribing will say "hell no, not subscribing since instead of the best 32 in the world, we only get to see the best 30 so I am not subscribing.". Remember that addition income for GOM probably mean more tournaments like AoL and more funding for GSTL, Code A as well so it helps all the korean players as well.
However, I think that maybe they can add a mini-invitational for foreigner players who are willing to stay in Korean if they get a spot so we don't have to argue why so and so got Code S and the other didn't.
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yeh!! i waiting some1 to open this topic
my vote to CodeA only
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I think the way gom handeled it prior to MLG Providence was fine. Some Code A seeds to attract foreign viewers and a Code S seed for very good performance at a high profile tournament.
The way it's atm is embarassing to say at least. Most foreigners don't have the level of play to compete in Code A but some get up/down or code s seeds based on arbitrary descisions. If foreign players are good enough to compete in Code S they can win their 3 Code A sets -_-
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dont we talk about this enough in LR?
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I voted for stop seeding entirely
But Code A is OK
Anything more is unfair to those who have to work for it, and its clear they arent Code S level. Especially Idra.
I really would like to see if they can get through the qualifiers first though.
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At least Sen is still in code A.
Also, Select and Sjow managed to keep their code A slots for at least one season.
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GSL = Global Starcraft League. Foreigners may have not shown that impressive performance, but it doesen't mean that somewhere in future there couldn't be a top tier foreigner that puts up a good show. I'm gonna say that it would be fair to "only" give Code A seeds, because the players really need to prove themselves. It's going to happen by fighting your way from bottom to top and being better than the else.
Giving Code S spots, even when the player has won some major tournament clearly isn't a high enough remark to play against the best in Korea.
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ive always rooted against whoever's gotten a free seed for literally no reason regardless of what team the player was on
id rather watch people that actually earned it and deserve it
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Seriously people, until the Koreans start to complain could we save this drama?
Huk got seeded way back in may and definitly "proved" that he deserved the spot. He lost today in a nailbiting series, which to me shows how hard the competition can be.
Idra got seeded and showed that he currently isn't at the level required. Tough luck for him, but were the games worth watching? I believe so.
No one complains when Koreans get seeded into international tournaments, so why must we have this discussion every 2 weeks? Sooner or later the "international" players will adjust to the level they need to be to play in the GSL, or they will stop flying over there to try (at which point we will start to backslide to BW style esports).
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I would prefer to keep them, I find that the matches with foreigners in the early rounds add a lot of excitement to what can be somewhat dull matches and add an incentive to have foreigners reside in Korea. For the foreigner community, I think the seeds are helpful.
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On February 01 2012 01:04 Dexington wrote:
At least Sen is still in code A.
Also, Select and Sjow managed to keep their code A slots for at least one season.
Sheth kept his, too. SjoW and Sheth never got knocked out of Code A, just voluntarily withdrew.
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GSL is also a business... Foreigner fans somehow still hope everytime a foreigner enter the booth, more hype is better for the tournament imo
I do think 2 code S seeds is a bit excessive though
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On February 01 2012 00:57 Xalorian wrote:
Some foreigners are great and deserve code A title. Idra, Naniwa, HuK, all beated quite a large amount of koreans, code S koreans at that...
But, even if they are good enough to participate in the coda A qualification and maybe win, do you really think that they would risk everything and they would go to Korea to MAYBE get a code A spot, IF they are lucky. (It's not all about skills, there is a fair bit of luck in the Code A qualifier.) No. They would stay here, in NA/EU. The scene is bigger anyway and they can actually win more money.
No seeds pretty much means no foreigners in Code A/S, EVER. Not because foreigners are not good enough, but because foreigners can't invest that much money into going to korea for just a chance to get into code A if they are not there for another reason.
And it's a fact that no IdrA/HuK/etc in GSL mean less views.
It's not BW, the NA/EU scene is quite big. If GSL want to be at least a little on par with it, they need to offer seeds, or else, every players, even korans, will start to go more and more to NA/EU events and the korean scene will take a big hit. The Korean scene probably needs foreigners players/viewers to survive.
But yeah, I guess Code A seeds are enough.
Uh no.
If you have the skills, you'll make it to code A. no excuses.
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I think Code A seeds are a good idea, sorta like NFL games in Europe. It brings in viewers that your normally wouldn't have. For instance I'm much more likely to watch GSL live if there is a foreigner, but if not I usually just catch the vods. I am a huge fan of the scene so I imagine people that aren't as in to it, they would have even more drive to see someone outside of Korea compete with the Koreans.
Plus I would guess Code A gets less viewers anyway and upping the views for those games/players is only a good thing.
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seeding into code s is fine. if they dont perform they drop like flies. idra already dropped to code b.
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EPT
