I like the unity between GSL and Other Tournament X (e.g. MLG) where seeds are being provided (I feel that it's helping to grow the community), but I also feel that it's unfair to the Koreans who are working hard in Code "B" and Code A and can't afford to fly out to compete in (and win) those other tournaments.

Mithrandror

Belgium85 Posts

January 31 2012 16:19 GMT

#42

Don't give them seeds, it's pretty clear that they don't cope well with it. The reason for this is that the way the seeding works is that players who are 'stars' have a serious chance of winning a series of foreign tournaments and then get a code A/S spot, the problem is that those players -with the exception of maybe Naniwa- don't have the dedication to train exclusively for 1 match like Koreans can. As a consequence they start to slack and fail miserably leading to an outcome that is dissapointing for the fans, themselves and is moreover simply unfair for the 31/32 Korean player who is willing to put alot of time an effort into it and can't sit back on somewhat of a stable salary.

aristarchus

United States652 Posts

January 31 2012 16:19 GMT

#43

I like that Mr. Chae clarified in his TL interview that the seeds were for performance in foreign tournaments, and Koreans could get them. That makes it more fair. But he also said they were picked to put in players that sponsors wanted there, which I think undermines the integrity as a sport. I want seeds from foreign tournaments, but I want them objective and announced ahead of time. "Whoever wins Dreamhack gets a spot in up-and-downs" would be great. But I really wish they would stop just randomly inviting whoever they felt like after the fact.

jinixxx123

543 Posts

January 31 2012 16:19 GMT

#44

On February 01 2012 00:56 DaNom wrote:
Without GSL seedes the gap between foreigners and Koreans is going to get bigger and bigger IMO. If Koreans dominate SC2 im sure this game is gonna die in foreign countries i think.

i disagree, i watch starcraft 2 to see the best players regardless of where they are from, if no foreigner can step up to the plate to compete with the best, then so be it. I want to watch the best starcraft possible .

I can kinda compare this to soccer, in my country we are terrible at soccer on the international stage, We cant even beat no-name teams, But you know what? everybody tunes into the UEFA champions league to watch the best compete against the best. Is football dead in my country because we cant compete? hellll noo.. Its the most popular sport here regardless.

Starcraft is the same, we all wanna see the best even if it means non of our guys can compete.

terrrrrible

United States38 Posts

January 31 2012 16:20 GMT

#45

Seeding for Code A would be fine, Code S is too much, unless the player has proven otherwise they've earned it. (MLG wins, previous GSL success, other premier tournament results, etc...)

Cheerio

Ukraine3178 Posts

January 31 2012 16:20 GMT

#46

On February 01 2012 00:44 pStar wrote:
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stop giving foreigners seeds. We are terrible. Just look at HuK and idrAs play today. wasn't even close to the Korean's they were playing ( to be fairt hough, Sen played reasonably well)

May seem harsh, but just my opinion.

I'm ok with bashing Idra every time. But Huk took 1 game and Sen took his series. Those 2 did quite well i'd say.

Usagi

Spain1647 Posts

January 31 2012 16:23 GMT

#47

Oh yeah, stop giving seeds to non koreans.
Also, stop seeding and giving flights to koreans.
And then give everything to Kespa.

jj33

802 Posts

January 31 2012 16:24 GMT

#48

On February 01 2012 01:23 Usagi wrote:
Oh yeah, stop giving seeds to non koreans.
Also, stop seeding and giving flights to koreans.
And then give everything to Kespa.

your post is retarded.

but I'll play along, the Koreans are able to compete anywhere, while free welfare seeds to Code S as you can see doesn't pan out at all

ssg

United States1777 Posts

January 31 2012 16:26 GMT

#49

MLG gives out seeds to Korean players. GSL should do the same, as they have been. It's a difficult process to quailfy otherwise. Yes, even for Koreans to MLG, where GSL players like alive, Polt, MKP, Keen, Ganzi, violet, losira, and sc all lost in the open bracket. For the GSL, foreigners literally have to move to Korea for months.

drgoats

United States310 Posts

January 31 2012 16:26 GMT

#50

I know there are people who do not care if a foreigner is in the GSL or not but I am sure that there are a lot more who tune in specifically to watch them.

They really aren't taking any spots from Koreans because the format of the tournament is 30 or so Koreans and a few Foreigners in code S. If you are Korean, you have to accept that you need to be in that top 30. I think there was an analogy made about this comparing it the the World Cup. The United States basically gets in every time because they are in a relatively weak region and they might not be as good as may teams that were booted out in the qualifiers of other regions.

Morale

Sweden1010 Posts

January 31 2012 16:27 GMT

#51

Stop giving foreigners seeds, i rather see the best players play in the GSL. If they're deserving they'll go through the qualifiers.

movac

Canada494 Posts

January 31 2012 16:28 GMT

#52

I remember they said that the code S seeds isn't just for foreigners. It's for anyone who has had good results in other tournaments, even if this person is a Korean. Basically, it's just a way for them to invite any 2 people of their choice.

Tidus Mino

United Kingdom1108 Posts

January 31 2012 16:30 GMT

#53

On February 01 2012 01:27 Morale wrote:
Stop giving foreigners seeds, i rather see the best players play in the GSL. If they're deserving they'll go through the qualifiers.

Not true. I don't agree with Code S seeds but I do for A.

It is not financially viable for players to uproot and move to Korea and miss out on all the opportunities the west has to offer in favour of trying to qualify for the GSL. While quite a few pro's will be able to make it, they would miss out on so much trying to do this, therefore it's likely that we'd see a huge Korea/Foreigner divide again which we don't want to see. The foreigners that are able to cause upsets and beat the Koreans at events are the ones with Korean training, so take that away and it'd be 100% Korean domination all the time.

As I said I agree with Code A, but not Code S. It really devalues the worth of Code S to see it given away

Lorch

Germany3702 Posts

January 31 2012 16:30 GMT

#54

On February 01 2012 01:20 Cheerio wrote:

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I'm ok with bashing Idra every time. But Huk took 1 game and Sen took his series. Those 2 did quite well i'd say.

I agree on the sen part, but Huk proved throughout last year that he can hang with koreans and if he actually gets to practice for once I'm sure he is atleast low code s material. Idra on the otherhand just showed how bad his zvp really is.

Itsmedudeman

United States19229 Posts

January 31 2012 16:32 GMT

#55

SC2 as an esport is still in need of help, and attracting big names is a great way to bring in more viewers. GSL is a business as much as it is a competition. Also, not every deserving player gets entered into every tournament. GSL is pretty much like the LAST tournament to do things based off invites, and even then it's only a few players. Poll should mean nothing to GSL since people won't stop watching even if "undeserving" players get invited while people will watch solely based on this.

Also, since GSL qualifiers are LAN, it's only natural that foreigners should be able to qualify through other means. Picking up your stuff and moving to korea to put all your hopes on one tournament is not exactly cost effective.

Linwelin

Ireland7554 Posts

January 31 2012 16:33 GMT

#56

I understand that having some foreigners in the GSL helps the viewership which is something important. But almost every time the foreigners lose early and "disappoint" (HuK a few seasons ago was the exception)
I feel like seeding foreigners directly into code A/S is unfair to many code B koreans who practice even harder but can't manage to qualify for code A because the qualifiers are really hard

BilltownRunner

United States229 Posts

January 31 2012 16:35 GMT

#57

Would be surprised if GOM stopped giving the seeds. The foreign fans who say they don't like the seeds will continue to watch even if the seeds are still handed out. The seeds drawn far more attention to the games..

sVnteen

Germany2238 Posts

January 31 2012 16:37 GMT

#58

code s seeds are stupid and make foreigners that just came to korea look back since they have no way of getting used to the korean playstyle and studying of the opponent so quickly

VoO

Germany278 Posts

January 31 2012 16:40 GMT

#59

Stop giving them free tickets. They need to train and qualify like everyone else in the qualifiers. It is so embarassing to see them getting introduced as best foreigners just to get owned. It gives foreigners a bad reputation.

Destructicon

4713 Posts

January 31 2012 16:41 GMT

#60

I think code S seeds could be handed out still, but the requirements should be higher. As some people have said, if you win/come second at a major tournament like MLG, DH, IPL, NASL, you should be qualified to Code S. Why? Because in all those tournaments I've mentioned a lot of Koreans participate as well, and the top two players really need to be the cream of the crop to go that deep into those tournaments.

Though, by those standards I guess Puma and HerO might have been more deserving of the last Code S seeds, but they aren't exactly foreigners.

Also, I think the reason foreigners do badly in the GSL, weather its Code A or Code S, is because they seem to not research/scout their opponents, where as the Koreans do that and they can figure out the styles of players and exploit them. That+ the intense practice regime.