EPTForeigners' Seeds in the GSL - Page 12
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EchoZ
Japan5041 Posts
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SkimGuy
Canada709 Posts
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sitromit
7051 Posts
On February 01 2012 10:53 helvete wrote: The last code S seeds didn't go to the best foreigners though, did they? The best foreigner was stripped of the seed. The best foreigner with a 0-10 record in GSL?? Enough about this topic already, you fanboys really need to let it go.. | ||
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Love and Justice
United States87 Posts
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white_horse
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theBizness
United States696 Posts
Those who say that qualifying for the GSL is a huge financial/social/whatever commitment and gamble: yes, it is and that's part of it. If you are good enough the gamble will be worth it. By supporting gift seeds you are acknowledging that you need a helping hand to make it at the top level. Bringing up the opportunity cost of easy foreign tournament prize pools does nothing but highlight the skill discrepancy. With the current system, foreign pros are either about trying to be the best, or merely trying to make money. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27451 Posts
Getting into the GSL is ridiculously difficult now, and without that exposure it seems the gap between the foreign and Korean scenes is widening. The carrot that is a Code A spot would at least help foreigners who want to go to Korea a first foot in the door, and from there hopefully they'd get to the levels required for Code S. That said one of my main annoyances over the way the seedings have worked thus far is that not enough people are basing themselves in Korea and sticking it out. They'll get a Code A run, get knocked down and not come back. | ||
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setzer
United States3284 Posts
On February 01 2012 10:53 helvete wrote: The last code S seeds didn't go to the best foreigners though, did they? The best foreigner was stripped of the seed. Did GOM also kill your President? Too many Swede's act like GOM committed some heinous offense against Sweden itself. Naniwa made stupid decisions and GOM, within their right, acted on those. Time to move on I think foreigner seeds are stupid in general but because GOM is going to continue giving them out like candy I would just like the selection process to be a little more consistent. Some invites seem to be based on results and past accomplishments in GSL (Idra) and others are based completely on gaining popularity (Macsed, Xigua). | ||
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Thrax
Canada1755 Posts
On February 01 2012 11:32 setzer wrote: Did GOM also kill your President? Too many Swede's act like GOM committed some heinous offense against Sweden itself. Naniwa made stupid decisions and GOM, within their right, acted on those. Time to move on Slasher admitted that GOM basically lied when they said Naniwa never actually had a code S seed. If they want to take it away (which they did), sure, but they better own up to the fact. If Swedes want to be pissed at GOM, I think that's 100% fair. | ||
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KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
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SonOfBoxer
Korea (South)62 Posts
GOM is a businness company, and as such it should try to attract viewers, but since the Naniwa incident, I believe they lost a lot of foreign viewers. | ||
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Dakure
United States513 Posts
On February 01 2012 10:13 Offhand wrote: Huk's made a few code S runs. Idra made a few good runs too but that was a long time ago. Beyond that, where's the foreigner success in code S? Also the Chinese scene hasn't shown anything impressive. IEM China (Ghanzou sp?) was supposed to be the arena where the Chinese finally showed off their top talent and it just didn't happen. E: I'm sure no Koreans are going to complain about being handed walkovers in Ro32. But spots in Code S really shouldn't go to people who can't compete there. I think you're talking about IEM SlayerSGanZi | ||
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turamn
United States1374 Posts
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SkelA
Macedonia13090 Posts
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
I mean with BW one could understand that the Koreans had more money and thus were capable of focusing on training more. But what happened with SC2?Are our players just less hardworking? I don't really mind the seeds tbh, what pisses me off us the multitude of foreigner fans who blindly defend and try to protect their pros as if they were 10 years old. If they are underperforming we should ask more from the foreign players, it always kills me when a foreigner losses we get 10 million posts making excuses for them. The seeds are fine though, I'd actually advocate getting rid of the Code A seed and keep the up and down and code S seeds. Its not about making it easier for the foreigners, but its about giving them incentives to come over to Korea and at least have some certainty. And LOL @ all the people still mad about the naniwa incident | ||
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Love and Justice
United States87 Posts
On February 01 2012 11:41 SonOfBoxer wrote: I believe it useless to give foreign players seeds for the GSL. They should qualify through Code B if they really want to play in the biggest stage in this planet. Plus, by qualifying through the hell called "Code B", they would improve their gameplay A LOT. Look at Idra and Huk: they can't do anything against Koreans people haven't even heard about, at least in a while. I find it really annoying to watch such one-sided games. GOM is a businness company, and as such it should try to attract viewers, but since the Naniwa incident, I believe they lost a lot of foreign viewers. Agree with that but there are so many major tournaments and money in the foreign scene that foreigners don't want to train 2 to 3 months in Korea just to qualify thou code B. That's right way is to earn a code A spot but foreigners don't want to waste their time on one major tournament that they can't win but play in 3 or 4 that they could win. | ||
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Bart
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
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turamn
United States1374 Posts
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
On February 01 2012 11:56 Love and Justice wrote: Agree with that but there are so many major tournaments and money in the foreign scene that foreigners don't want to train 2 to 3 months in Korea just to qualify thou code B. That's right way is to earn a code A spot but foreigners don't want to waste their time on one major tournament that they can't win but play in 3 or 4 that they could win. Well, to be fair I have always found it kinda stupid how team and players have this mentality. I am not saying that they should play for glory or something, but if you think about it the GSL has always given tons of exposure to players that do well there. Just look at idra, Huk and to a lesser extent Jinro. They all are some of the more popular foreigners and al lot of the exposure they got was from the freaking GSL and they didn't even win it.Hell, look how popular qxc became after he did well in the GSTL(he was popular before but not as much) My point being that players going to the GSL to do well seems like a pretty sound long term investment. | ||
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