I don't mind it. It does bring more viewers in, it brings really good Code B players into the spotlight, and overall everyone is happy. I don't think anyone is sad that foreigners are given the chance, some people might be mad that foreigners lose, but it's to be expected.

sitromit

7051 Posts

February 01 2012 02:08 GMT

#223

On February 01 2012 10:53 helvete wrote:
The last code S seeds didn't go to the best foreigners though, did they? The best foreigner was stripped of the seed.

The best foreigner with a 0-10 record in GSL?? Enough about this topic already, you fanboys really need to let it go..

Love and Justice

United States87 Posts

February 01 2012 02:09 GMT

#224

I'm OK with giving foreigners code A spot not so much a code S. IDK why people are getting mad about this, don't you want to see the best of the best in code S?

white_horse

1019 Posts

February 01 2012 02:12 GMT

#225

For those supporting this auto-seeding, I hope you guys realize that your basically acknowledging that foreigners aren't good enough to compete with the koreans on their own. Competition is competition. This kind of "everyone deserves a fair chance" starts to make "competition" meaningless - yes 2 seeds is insignificant but the concept itself is just wrong. All the foreigners jumped out of BW into SC2 because this is where they thought they finally had a chance to level the playing field but now if people are complaining that koreans are dominating SC2 like they did with BW then theres nothing else to say except that the foreigners didn't work hard enough.

theBizness

United States696 Posts

February 01 2012 02:26 GMT

#226

I don't think you can have it both ways (for those ardent fans of foreign pros).

Those who say that qualifying for the GSL is a huge financial/social/whatever commitment and gamble: yes, it is and that's part of it. If you are good enough the gamble will be worth it. By supporting gift seeds you are acknowledging that you need a helping hand to make it at the top level. Bringing up the opportunity cost of easy foreign tournament prize pools does nothing but highlight the skill discrepancy. With the current system, foreign pros are either about trying to be the best, or merely trying to make money.

WombaT

Northern Ireland26036 Posts

February 01 2012 02:31 GMT

#227

Code A seeds based on foreign tournament placings seems fair enough. Gives the option to players to base themselves over in Korea without taking a ridiculous gamble.

Getting into the GSL is ridiculously difficult now, and without that exposure it seems the gap between the foreign and Korean scenes is widening. The carrot that is a Code A spot would at least help foreigners who want to go to Korea a first foot in the door, and from there hopefully they'd get to the levels required for Code S.

That said one of my main annoyances over the way the seedings have worked thus far is that not enough people are basing themselves in Korea and sticking it out. They'll get a Code A run, get knocked down and not come back.

setzer

United States3284 Posts

February 01 2012 02:32 GMT

#228

On February 01 2012 10:53 helvete wrote:
The last code S seeds didn't go to the best foreigners though, did they? The best foreigner was stripped of the seed.

Did GOM also kill your President? Too many Swede's act like GOM committed some heinous offense against Sweden itself. Naniwa made stupid decisions and GOM, within their right, acted on those. Time to move on

I think foreigner seeds are stupid in general but because GOM is going to continue giving them out like candy I would just like the selection process to be a little more consistent. Some invites seem to be based on results and past accomplishments in GSL (Idra) and others are based completely on gaining popularity (Macsed, Xigua).

Thrax

Canada1755 Posts

February 01 2012 02:35 GMT

#229

On February 01 2012 11:32 setzer wrote:

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Slasher admitted that GOM basically lied when they said Naniwa never actually had a code S seed. If they want to take it away (which they did), sure, but they better own up to the fact. If Swedes want to be pissed at GOM, I think that's 100% fair.

KimJongChill

United States6429 Posts

February 01 2012 02:37 GMT

#230

With how elite code s is becoming it shouldnt be handed out.

SonOfBoxer

Korea (South)62 Posts

February 01 2012 02:41 GMT

#231

I believe it useless to give foreign players seeds for the GSL. They should qualify through Code B if they really want to play in the biggest stage in this planet. Plus, by qualifying through the hell called "Code B", they would improve their gameplay A LOT. Look at Idra and Huk: they can't do anything against Koreans people haven't even heard about, at least in a while. I find it really annoying to watch such one-sided games.

GOM is a businness company, and as such it should try to attract viewers, but since the Naniwa incident, I believe they lost a lot of foreign viewers.

Dakure

United States513 Posts

February 01 2012 02:47 GMT

#232

On February 01 2012 10:13 Offhand wrote:

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Huk's made a few code S runs. Idra made a few good runs too but that was a long time ago. Beyond that, where's the foreigner success in code S?

Also the Chinese scene hasn't shown anything impressive. IEM China (Ghanzou sp?) was supposed to be the arena where the Chinese finally showed off their top talent and it just didn't happen.

E: I'm sure no Koreans are going to complain about being handed walkovers in Ro32. But spots in Code S really shouldn't go to people who can't compete there.

I think you're talking about IEM SlayerSGanZi

turamn

United States1374 Posts

February 01 2012 02:49 GMT

#233

The foreigner seeding is quite honestly, a joke. It's blatantly obvious that the skill level isn't even close. Give the spots to people who can play the game. As much as it would suck not to have any foreigners there, I'd rather seem higher quality games.

SkelA

Macedonia13069 Posts

February 01 2012 02:50 GMT

#234

They will keep giving seeds because GSL is dead if nonkoreans lose interest ( and stop paying tickets )

windsupernova

Mexico5280 Posts

February 01 2012 02:53 GMT

#235

I don't get it why do Koreans dominate in SC2 too?

I mean with BW one could understand that the Koreans had more money and thus were capable of focusing on training more. But what happened with SC2?Are our players just less hardworking?

I don't really mind the seeds tbh, what pisses me off us the multitude of foreigner fans who blindly defend and try to protect their pros as if they were 10 years old. If they are underperforming we should ask more from the foreign players, it always kills me when a foreigner losses we get 10 million posts making excuses for them.

The seeds are fine though, I'd actually advocate getting rid of the Code A seed and keep the up and down and code S seeds. Its not about making it easier for the foreigners, but its about giving them incentives to come over to Korea and at least have some certainty.

And LOL @ all the people still mad about the naniwa incident

Love and Justice

United States87 Posts

February 01 2012 02:56 GMT

#236

On February 01 2012 11:41 SonOfBoxer wrote:
I believe it useless to give foreign players seeds for the GSL. They should qualify through Code B if they really want to play in the biggest stage in this planet. Plus, by qualifying through the hell called "Code B", they would improve their gameplay A LOT. Look at Idra and Huk: they can't do anything against Koreans people haven't even heard about, at least in a while. I find it really annoying to watch such one-sided games.

GOM is a businness company, and as such it should try to attract viewers, but since the Naniwa incident, I believe they lost a lot of foreign viewers.

Agree with that but there are so many major tournaments and money in the foreign scene that foreigners don't want to train 2 to 3 months in Korea just to qualify thou code B. That's right way is to earn a code A spot but foreigners don't want to waste their time on one major tournament that they can't win but play in 3 or 4 that they could win.

Bart

494 Posts

February 01 2012 02:57 GMT

#237

I think only Code A seeds should be given but it should be Code A round of 24 seeds so that it's 1 series that the foreigner has to win whereby it is "Code S or bye bye". Imagine the tension, excitement and stress for the foreigner and for the foreign fans. I wonder how many foreign fans will tune in for that series.

DannyJ

United States5110 Posts

February 01 2012 03:00 GMT

#238

Personally, i don't want to see any foreigner near code S. Let's face it, they don't belong in it.

turamn

United States1374 Posts

February 01 2012 03:00 GMT

#239

whjy does fin always make early vikings

windsupernova

Mexico5280 Posts

February 01 2012 03:03 GMT

#240

On February 01 2012 11:56 Love and Justice wrote:

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Well, to be fair I have always found it kinda stupid how team and players have this mentality. I am not saying that they should play for glory or something, but if you think about it the GSL has always given tons of exposure to players that do well there. Just look at idra, Huk and to a lesser extent Jinro. They all are some of the more popular foreigners and al lot of the exposure they got was from the freaking GSL and they didn't even win it.Hell, look how popular qxc became after he did well in the GSTL(he was popular before but not as much)

My point being that players going to the GSL to do well seems like a pretty sound long term investment.