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Andorra173 Posts
On January 24 2012 03:39 Nuclease wrote: If BW teams start taking over, I will have to stop watching. I cannot watch corporate gaming teams take over SC2. We have to fight that! So you arent really a fan ok | ||
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Bippzy
United States1466 Posts
On January 23 2012 18:55 Sideburn wrote: This is the part that is interesting to me. It is likely just my ignorance, but if GOMTV has the sole contract with Blizzard, why are people worried about some other entity starting up an SC2 league and discluding the current SC2 scene. Or will this other entity just disregard GOMTV's exclusive rights? Thats all gomtv has tho. The bw leagues have more money, and the bw teams have more money. Money can eventually defeat eveything. I just don't want GSL to go away. I like its production and stuff. Maybe they can drop GSTL and give it to to the other league or (id prefer this one) do some sort of merger sothat gomtv handles sc2 and ogn(i think?) handles scbw stuff but they are combined. | ||
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parazice
Thailand5517 Posts
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Cereb
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Bippzy
United States1466 Posts
Nestea> I've also received it. They asked me to introduce some players for them. Some players come from BW background, so they exchange some of the know-hows with them already. It's the same case for me, but I don't really do it seriously. I can't just hand out my strategies that I worked so hard for to these new BW pros. I don't even do that for other current SC2 pros. Imagine how good IM would be if everyplayer shared their knowledge with every player! Because apparently they dont | ||
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shabby
Norway6402 Posts
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coolcor
520 Posts
On January 24 2012 03:15 Milkis wrote: It's a long story and tldr, it's Blizzard's greedy fault. Thanks to this everything is in quite an awkward position cause blizzard wants kespa to go into sc2 but they can't cause of Gom and now Gom and KeSPA have to work things out which is going to be quite difficult. Quite amusingly it was blizzard who stepped in when Gom and KeSPA were pretty close to negotiating regarding BW to sue, and now it's on an even more awkward status lol Can we have the long story please? I'd read it. | ||
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Trizz
Netherlands1323 Posts
On January 24 2012 03:39 Nuclease wrote: If BW teams start taking over, I will have to stop watching. I cannot watch corporate gaming teams take over SC2. We have to fight that! What a silly statement | ||
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cronican
Canada424 Posts
On the bright side a lot of money will be going into SC2. | ||
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
On January 24 2012 03:51 coolcor wrote: Can we have the long story please? I'd read it. It doesnt seem that complicated based on what milkies said. If Blizzard signed a contract for exclusive rights to GOM then KESPA needs to convince GOM to give up that exclusive contract which also means that there is little to no chance of GOM being "shut out" of the scene or any of the current SC2 players being "shut out" as well. | ||
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Longshank
1648 Posts
On January 24 2012 03:15 Milkis wrote: It's a long story and tldr, it's Blizzard's greedy fault. Thanks to this everything is in quite an awkward position cause blizzard wants kespa to go into sc2 but they can't cause of Gom and now Gom and KeSPA have to work things out which is going to be quite difficult. Quite amusingly it was blizzard who stepped in when Gom and KeSPA were pretty close to negotiating regarding BW to sue, and now it's on an even more awkward status lol Blizzard forced KeSPA to cooperate. I can see though how that is awkward for them, most things are when doing something you're not used to. | ||
Milkis
5003 Posts
On January 24 2012 04:49 Longshank wrote: Blizzard forced KeSPA to cooperate. I can see though how that is awkward for them, most things are when doing something you're not used to. I'm pretty sure it was Blizzard who backed down. KeSPA did not -- or rather they couldn't have because they... actually don't have money because they don't operate on a profit. Proleague, for example, is operated literally on Government Subsidy and a "fee" from all the teams, plus the broadcast fees they charge the stations. Blizzard did force KeSPA to cooperate with GOM though regarding SC2 rights (not Brood War), but that's a whole different story. Again, the issue was literally because Blizzard trying to get money from the scene that doesn't have any because of how they operate and how bad Korean fans are. This big mistake is pretty much one if the bigger reasons why the scene is struggling in Korea. That entire IP rights debacle did more damage to Korean E-Sports than anything that has happened in Korea =( | ||
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ceaRshaf
Romania4926 Posts
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Longshank
1648 Posts
On January 24 2012 05:25 Milkis wrote: I'm pretty sure it was Blizzard who backed down. KeSPA did not -- or rather they couldn't have because they... actually don't have money because they don't operate on a profit. Proleague, for example, is operated literally on Government Subsidy and a "fee" from all the teams, plus the broadcast fees they charge the stations. Blizzard did force KeSPA to cooperate with GOM though regarding SC2 rights (not Brood War), but that's a whole different story. Again, the issue was literally because Blizzard trying to get money from the scene that doesn't have any because of how they operate and how bad Korean fans are. This big mistake is pretty much one if the bigger reasons why the scene is struggling in Korea. That entire IP rights debacle did more damage to Korean E-Sports than anything that has happened in Korea =( Both sides gave up ground in the negotiations, who 'backed down' is quite irrelevant and highly subjective. It all depends on initial positions and outcome in relation what your goal was. That is a futile debate. My point was that two years ago KeSPA could do whatever they wanted and pretty much did. Now after the conflict they're forced to cooperate both with Blizzard and GOM(for a while at least). That is a new position for them. | ||
Destructicon
4713 Posts
Firstly when the BW pros will switch, even the cream of the crop will still be bellow today's standards of play. They will have quite a lot of catching up to do. Now the main thing the BW pros have going for them is a very good work ethic. I'm quite sure that, if they put in the time to learn SC2 they will be incredibly strong, but it will take months for them to reach that level. MVP is the perfect example, having almost gotten into a BW A-team, he has the right mindset and work ethic to be the best of the best. However I am sure there are other Koreans as well that have that kind of mentality and stick to a strict practice regime, like the Slayers team, Startale etc. So its still quite possible for the SC2 Korean scene that exists now to be on par with the players that switch from BW to SC2, provided they stick to their practice. At worst foregneirs will still participate and play in EU and NA events. SC2 has, in my opinion, with the barcraft movement and all, grown too much for it to colapse compleatly. However, the hard working and dedicated foregneirs, like IdrA, HuK, Jinro, Ret, Namaa etc, that go and practice in Korea, will still find good success, also if the team house phenomenon starts to pick up steam then the foreign scene could still remain relatively competitive to the Korean one, at least on par with the level it is today. What this forces the foregneirs to do is just practice harder and play better, that isn't a bad thing at all. Also note, like Nestea said in the interview, he has been aproached by other teams and isn't willing to change his team, because he already lives very well. Just because the BW teams have more financial backing doesn't mean they will imediately buy out every single star, be him Korean of Foreign. No, more likely they will indeed buy some smaller players to help explain the meta-game and all to their main players, and also to grow them and make them stronger. The only thing that does worry me is the GOM and KeSPA dispute, I hope it can be resolved in a good way, one which brings prosperity for e-sports and for both sides. If KeSPA however is really interested in the foreign scene, they might try to negociate more with DH, MLG etc, to have their best players flow out around the world. I mean, they must recognize that SC2 is now a global thing, and even with all the profit they could generate in Korea, they could make way way more if they send say, Flash, Bisu and Jaedong to MLG. And at the very least the foreign scene will survive because of that. | ||
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Ikonn
Netherlands1958 Posts
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Akta
447 Posts
On January 24 2012 05:25 Milkis wrote: Logically Blizzard should want the Korean esports scene to grow but I assume they want to avoid things that might result in BW like situation even if they would make money on the licensing. I'm pretty sure it was Blizzard who backed down. KeSPA did not -- or rather they couldn't have because they... actually don't have money because they don't operate on a profit. Proleague, for example, is operated literally on Government Subsidy and a "fee" from all the teams, plus the broadcast fees they charge the stations. Blizzard did force KeSPA to cooperate with GOM though regarding SC2 rights (not Brood War), but that's a whole different story. Again, the issue was literally because Blizzard trying to get money from the scene that doesn't have any because of how they operate and how bad Korean fans are. This big mistake is pretty much one if the bigger reasons why the scene is struggling in Korea. That entire IP rights debacle did more damage to Korean E-Sports than anything that has happened in Korea =( Just guessing of course but for Blizzard everything should boil down to what makes them sell most games. So I'm curious about what Blizzard is actually trying to achieve since it's probably not just about collecting future licensing fees. | ||
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CeriseCherries
6170 Posts
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
We barely can compete against poor korean teams imagine when the rich Korean teams switch over lol. I am worried about the poorer korean teams, I think a good compromise would be a merge or something. But now that I think about it if Kespa decides to do well the poorer Korean teams might be able to get more sponsors. Dunno, there is potential for great good and great harm | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
So money is not the only parameter, player skill will be at least as important. Unless kespa or whoever make a separate special league. | ||
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