|
On January 23 2012 23:52 NuKedUFirst wrote:Show nested quote +Mr. Chae> Our stance is that there is no problem as long as current SC2 players perform better than BW pros when they switch. how are they going to do this? Is Gom going to break their fingers ? I don't understand this at all.. And I think they will need to expand the GSTL if there are more teams, otherwise it would be unfair. Regardless of the teams.
He's basically saying to the current SC2 pros "practice hard and don't get dominated".
|
Nestea got offers to join foreign teams. €1000 on that team being EG
|
On January 23 2012 23:52 Chaggi wrote:
I wouldn't mind as long as I can see the best players play. While it would suck if the established SC2 teams got muscled out, I want to see the highest level of competition possible in SC2, and if that means BW teams coming in and taking over, so be it.
Totally agree. It seems to me that maybe OGN could add a SC2 divison to PL, much like SF2/BW. I also find it great that the current BW teams are seeking out the bottom tier SC2 pros, give them a year of BW-esque practice and Kespa the ability to create new maps and you'll have an awesome competitive scene, even more than now.
It kinda sucks for the foreign scene, though. If the big teams/players switch to SC2, the skill gap will grow exponentially, just because they'll have way better practice regimes. Fortunately, as the above poster said, I'm willing to let go of everything in the current SC2 scene if that means we get to see the absolute highest level of competition 
|
I would LOVE to see A teamers from BW teams split up into BW and SC2 divisions. Seriously it has to be extremely heart-breaking if you are one of the best in practice games and only have a 25% chance to play in team games for KT, for instance. SC2 would provide a better chance whilst remaining in the team.
The current top tier SC2 (Code S) pros would have some time to adapt until BW pros are able to compete with them. Well, two seasons.
|
It will be interesting to see for sure. As it is now, SC2 is shitty in Korea but big elsewhere, the exact opposite of BW. If they plan to move to SC2 they're going to have to appeal to the foreign fan base to make it profitable in Korea which means more English casters, English stream/site etc.
The one thing GOM has going for them is how set they are with the foreign audience.
|
IIRC GOM has exclusive rights to SC2 TV in Korea until 2013, because KeSPA didn't want to negotiate with Blizzard and there are not very good relations between the two. GOM were happy to work with Blizzard so I don't see why a new contract can't be negotiated for 2013 and beyond. If I am totally wrong on this some1 please correct me.
Personally I think KeSPA should GTFO and SC2 should have it's own governing body, to protect teams and players from the BW teams with mo' money and all that jazz.
|
On January 23 2012 17:04 nath wrote:
i wish more money was pumped into korean sc2 teams; considering the fact that they still completely dominate foreign teams in practice regimen and results, they deserve it and it would prevent bw teams from overtaking when they switch.
however i wouldnt mind sc2 teams merging with bw teams that are switching over. slayers + SKT anyone??? LOL.
i dont think boxer want give up his own EPIC team ^^ even for SKT
but imagine a SKT1 vs SLAYERS clanwar DRAMA INCOMING
and then yellow decide to start for "real" and play for skt hrhr
also i think bw pros have to learn and be as good as it needs to play in sc2 and as long they not win well ... no extra league for them they need train ^^ current sc2 pros are obviously way better right now
|
On January 24 2012 02:22 jayhorn wrote:
IIRC GOM has exclusive rights to SC2 TV in Korea until 2013, because KeSPA didn't want to negotiate with Blizzard and there are not very good relations between the two. GOM were happy to work with Blizzard so I don't see why a new contract can't be negotiated for 2013 and beyond. If I am totally wrong on this some1 please correct me.
Personally I think KeSPA should GTFO and SC2 should have it's own governing body, to protect teams and players from the BW teams with mo' money and all that jazz.
Nah KeSPA and Bliizard are on good terms(officially), they came to an agreement regarding the IP rights. Now when they recognize Blizzard's rights, Blizzard has no reason to let GOM keep their exclusive rights.
KeSPA would be great for SC2 IF they would reach out and cooperate with GOM, existing SC2 teams and the foreign scene. It's very possible they will but given past events it's possible they just go have their own race as well. Time will tell.
|
On January 24 2012 02:22 jayhorn wrote:
IIRC GOM has exclusive rights to SC2 TV in Korea until 2013, because KeSPA didn't want to negotiate with Blizzard and there are not very good relations between the two. GOM were happy to work with Blizzard so I don't see why a new contract can't be negotiated for 2013 and beyond. If I am totally wrong on this some1 please correct me.
Personally I think KeSPA should GTFO and SC2 should have it's own governing body, to protect teams and players from the BW teams with mo' money and all that jazz.
Blizzard seems to be making efforts in trying to negotiate with KeSPA, though. I remember seeing a reference to that in the 'Reponsibilites' section of one of the jobs they were offering. It's gone now but it went like this:
Lead relationships and shape agenda with the Korean eSports (e.g., KESPA), and related organizations (e.g., broadcasting partners), and generate new ... From Google Cache.
People give KeSPA too much shit, the BW scene would still be a bunch of korean teenagers wasting their lifes in PC Bangs if it wasn't for them.
|
On January 24 2012 02:10 Kergy wrote:It kinda sucks for the foreign scene, though. If the big teams/players switch to SC2, the skill gap will grow exponentially, just because they'll have way better practice regimes. Fortunately, as the above poster said, I'm willing to let go of everything in the current SC2 scene if that means we get to see the absolute highest level of competition
I don't think the switch itself is a bad thing for the foreign scene. It's just that the foreigners bad (work) mentality will show even more and that has the potential to be really harmfull. The scene itself has the potential to persist, because quite a lot of pros in EU and NA can make a living of their salary. So they should theoretically be able to absolve the same practiceschedules as Koreans(especially BW pros). If the foreign scene fades away regardless of its resources, I really can't be sad about it, because then foreigners destroyed it by themselfs.
|
On January 24 2012 02:48 ES.Genie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 02:10 Kergy wrote:It kinda sucks for the foreign scene, though. If the big teams/players switch to SC2, the skill gap will grow exponentially, just because they'll have way better practice regimes. Fortunately, as the above poster said, I'm willing to let go of everything in the current SC2 scene if that means we get to see the absolute highest level of competition I don't think the switch itself is a bad thing for the foreign scene. It's just that the foreigners bad (work) mentality will show even more and that has the potential to be really harmfull. The scene itself has the potential to persist, because quite a lot of pros in EU and NA can make a living of their salary. So they should theoretically be able to absolve the same practiceschedules as Koreans(especially BW pros). If the foreign scene fades away regardless of its resources, I really can't be sad about it, because then foreigners destroyed it by themselfs.
Foreigner pros have way worse practice options than Koreans.
Give foreigners the chance to play on Korea without 500 pings and we'll see so much better foreigners representations.
Imagine Kas laddering on KR instead of EU for instance (one of the known mass laddering people in the foreign scene that comes to my mind). He'd be infinitely better with the same time spent.
It's difficult to keep up when your environment is so inferior to that of Koreans.
|
This will probably spell the death for both games. The SC2 foreigner scene will get owned hard. People will leave to other games like LOL or DOTA2. Only the hardcore SC2 fans will remain, willing to watch Koreans vs Koreans. On the other hand, in Korea, SC2 isn't as popular. I doubt fangirls will want to watch a game that doesn't interest them, just to see TBLS. Remember the BoxeR/Yellow match.
Correct me if I am wrong.
Altough I don't like the SC2 scene much, I'd rather want to see them both coexisting than cannibalizing eachother.
|
On January 24 2012 02:54 Elefanto wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 02:48 ES.Genie wrote:On January 24 2012 02:10 Kergy wrote:It kinda sucks for the foreign scene, though. If the big teams/players switch to SC2, the skill gap will grow exponentially, just because they'll have way better practice regimes. Fortunately, as the above poster said, I'm willing to let go of everything in the current SC2 scene if that means we get to see the absolute highest level of competition I don't think the switch itself is a bad thing for the foreign scene. It's just that the foreigners bad (work) mentality will show even more and that has the potential to be really harmfull. The scene itself has the potential to persist, because quite a lot of pros in EU and NA can make a living of their salary. So they should theoretically be able to absolve the same practiceschedules as Koreans(especially BW pros). If the foreign scene fades away regardless of its resources, I really can't be sad about it, because then foreigners destroyed it by themselfs. Foreigner pros have way worse practice options than Koreans. Give foreigners the chance to play on Korea without 500 pings and we'll see so much better foreigners representations. Imagine Kas laddering on KR instead of EU for instance (one of the known mass laddering people in the foreign scene that comes to my mind). He'd be infinitely better with the same time spent. It's difficult to keep up when your environment is so inferior to that of Koreans.
The BW teams will sure as hell not use ladder as practice if they switch, making everyone else copy their hardcore in-house training model if they want to stay competitive, thus making ladder (even the KR one) an even worse option for practice just because the pros won't be there anymore.
|
On January 24 2012 01:54 Shalaiyn wrote:
Nestea got offers to join foreign teams. €1000 on that team being EG
So what if you're running a business, and you see a potential investment that could garner you thousands of extra income, would you not try to act upon it?
In regards to the OP, I'm quite surprised that people are actually scared of BW pros switching just because they have more money to buy players. I never actually thought about it that way. It's a realistic threat though since, as the interview says, BW teams have much more money. NesTea explains it so well in the opening question about players and their income, it's hard to be a pro in SC2 when you're not on a foreign team, so that's why so many Koreans look to join foreign teams so they can actually earn a living.
It's an eye opening interview on the inside workings of teams and their thoughts. I expect we'll see every Korean team "partner" with foreign teams for the extra income and to actually be able to contract their players so they can't be "bought" so easily from the BW teams.
Just my opinions and thoughts :>
|
5003 Posts
On January 24 2012 02:22 jayhorn wrote:
IIRC GOM has exclusive rights to SC2 TV in Korea until 2013, because KeSPA didn't want to negotiate with Blizzard and there are not very good relations between the two. GOM were happy to work with Blizzard so I don't see why a new contract can't be negotiated for 2013 and beyond. If I am totally wrong on this some1 please correct me.
Personally I think KeSPA should GTFO and SC2 should have it's own governing body, to protect teams and players from the BW teams with mo' money and all that jazz.
It's a long story and tldr, it's Blizzard's greedy fault. Thanks to this everything is in quite an awkward position cause blizzard wants kespa to go into sc2 but they can't cause of Gom and now Gom and KeSPA have to work things out which is going to be quite difficult.
Quite amusingly it was blizzard who stepped in when Gom and KeSPA were pretty close to negotiating regarding BW to sue, and now it's on an even more awkward status lol
|
No BW player who officially transitions in April will be better than MVP, MMA, Nestea, and the other premier players. That being said, I'd imagine their teams overall will be better than many of the current SC2 teams. I hope BW teams decide to cooperate with GOM/GSL, as it opens up a nice revenue stream for them. There's no reason GOM and OGN cannot work together on a schedule, allow cooperation, and ultimately make money together.
That being said, if OGN and BW teams don't want to cooperate, GOM should at least be ready to put up a fight. I think it would be a good idea for GOM to further ally itself with foreigner leagues, teams, and tournaments. There should be some type of player associations able to work together. For instance, if BW/OGN doesn't cooperate with GOM there's no reason MLG should pay for their teams to compete in foreign tournaments, even if they win qualifiers. So if Flash wants to compete in MLG, KT should pay all the expenses. GOM certainly makes a lot of money thanks to foreigner interest, and this could further expand if the leagues decided to work more closely together. Including IPL and even NASL, perhaps.
This isn't without precedent, as it would most likely look like the AFL/NFL of the 1960s in some ways; of course, both wound up merging into one NFL after nine years of division.
I wonder what Artosis/Tasteless would do if GOM doesn't put up a decent fight and BW teams/OGN ostracize their players
|
Professional associations don't make players somehow magically act more professional; KeSPA didn't stop the BW match-fixing scandal ...
|
I wonder who was the player NesTea recommended for the BW teams to recruit for sc2
|
If BW teams start taking over, I will have to stop watching. I cannot watch corporate gaming teams take over SC2. We have to fight that!
|
On January 24 2012 01:00 magnaflow wrote:
I'm scared.
I want to see the scene grow in Korea, but I don't want to see the foreign scene die off completely because of it. I'm thinking in 2013 we will be seeing alot of familiar faces playing LoL or Dota2. If foreigner pro's are serious about this game and want to make a living off of it they are going to need to commit fully to Korea.
I feel the same way ... I mean, the best SC2 players will get poached by BW teams. The foreign scene will basically collapse; top koreans won't fly out to MLG / IEM / etc., foreign players probably won't be able to live in BW team houses (as the teams already have plenty of cash). IdrA/HuK/Nani/etc will go back to being B-team level (though certainly somewhat better than they were in BW, relatively) ... I just wonder if people will still loyally watch GSLs if the worst players are competing? If I have the option of watching an OS2L with Flash/Jaedong (and Nestea/MVP, after they were poached by KT or whatever) or a GSL with a bunch of code-A-caliber koreans and foreigners? ... I mean, I love Tastosis, but not THAT much.
2012-13 will be all about Dota2, for the foreign scene; maybe a couple foreigners will move to Korea full-time and end up on the A-team of some BW/SC2 super-team, but I dunno. I'm guessing many foreign players will just switch to LoL or Dota2.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
