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McFeser
United States2458 Posts
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RinconH
United States512 Posts
It's kind of weird phenomenon when you have all these Korean guys playing essentially for foreign fans. Would an org like Kespa want to invest in something like that? | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On January 24 2012 06:43 McFeser wrote: So Nestea said he recieved some offers from Foriegn teams? (first question) I'm really curious as to what a god-tier player costs. I think to buy nestea EG and liquid would have to merge and cut everyone else so that all their money can go to paying for nesteas salary. On a serious note, I am curious who tried to pick up nestea. | ||
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UndoneJin
United States438 Posts
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zul
Germany5427 Posts
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Phays
Sweden162 Posts
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IMoperator
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
On January 24 2012 06:45 RinconH wrote: From what I've heard/read SC2 is pretty small in Korea. It's kind of weird phenomenon when you have all these Korean guys playing essentially for foreign fans. Would an org like Kespa want to invest in something like that? Well they probably saw some potential to make the SC2 Korean scene larger. If not they are the worst businessmen ever lol. | ||
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Jamial
Denmark1289 Posts
On January 24 2012 05:25 Milkis wrote: I'm pretty sure it was Blizzard who backed down. KeSPA did not -- or rather they couldn't have because they... actually don't have money because they don't operate on a profit. Proleague, for example, is operated literally on Government Subsidy and a "fee" from all the teams, plus the broadcast fees they charge the stations. Blizzard did force KeSPA to cooperate with GOM though regarding SC2 rights (not Brood War), but that's a whole different story. Again, the issue was literally because Blizzard trying to get money from the scene that doesn't have any because of how they operate and how bad Korean fans are. This big mistake is pretty much one if the bigger reasons why the scene is struggling in Korea. That entire IP rights debacle did more damage to Korean E-Sports than anything that has happened in Korea =( How are Blizzard being greedy for not wanting to negotiate with an organisation that doesn't respect their IP? For a new-comer to the scene, KeSPA seems the all-controllong, negative entity in Korean SW:BW scene. I haven't heard more than a few good things about KeSPA, but loads of bad things. Why do they force all teams to be equal, why do we get so few tournaments a year? How are the fans in Korea "bad"? I like how SC2 is now, and I wish for BW pros to switch, because that would increase the level of play. But I don't want KeSPA to come in and dictate everything. | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On January 24 2012 07:19 Jamial wrote: How are Blizzard being greedy for not wanting to negotiate with an organisation that doesn't respect their IP? For a new-comer to the scene, KeSPA seems the all-controllong, negative entity in Korean SW:BW scene. I haven't heard more than a few good things about KeSPA, but loads of bad things. Read the other posts by Milkis in the thread. He already covered how KeSPA is "no angel" but does get a lot of bad press it doesn't deserve. Don't argue against what I just wrote, because it was obviously paraphrasing. | ||
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TBone-
United States2309 Posts
On January 23 2012 18:32 Seraphone wrote: I would really love it if everyone could just get along and both Brood War teams and Sc2 teams all play Sc2 in the same leagues and tournaments. Surely that would be best for everyone? It would be terrible for Brood War as it wouldn't even be played... How would that be good for everyone. | ||
Milkis
5003 Posts
On January 24 2012 06:08 Longshank wrote: Both sides gave up ground in the negotiations, who 'backed down' is quite irrelevant and highly subjective. It all depends on initial positions and outcome in relation what your goal was. That is a futile debate. My point was that two years ago KeSPA could do whatever they wanted and pretty much did. Now after the conflict they're forced to cooperate both with Blizzard and GOM(for a while at least). That is a new position for them. There was no negotiations at the point of backing down, you have to realize. Blizzard after a given point made some ridiculous ultimatum that halted KeSPA-GOM negotiations that were going along quite well and forced everyone to court. They dropped the case and did a 180 after finally realizing there isn't money to be made. Playing politics isn't too difficult. "cooperating" isn't as hard as you think it is, but the hard part is that GOM always wanted to make sure that KeSPA's league don't compete with theirs -- GOM was afraid of KeSPA getting BW rights on the same timeslot as GOM, for example -- and I'm pretty sure GOM wants to make sure that they are going to be the premiere league and not Proleague or OSL2. Your statement about "awkwardness" seem rather weird because there's no reason to believe that KeSPA is in an awkward situation because "they dont get to do whatever they want", that just sounds terribly spiteful. On January 24 2012 07:19 Jamial wrote: How are Blizzard being greedy for not wanting to negotiate with an organisation that doesn't respect their IP? For a new-comer to the scene, KeSPA seems the all-controllong, negative entity in Korean SW:BW scene. I haven't heard more than a few good things about KeSPA, but loads of bad things. Why do they force all teams to be equal, why do we get so few tournaments a year? How are the fans in Korea "bad"? I like how SC2 is now, and I wish for BW pros to switch, because that would increase the level of play. But I don't want KeSPA to come in and dictate everything. Cause Blizzard only cared about IP rights when money was being made and they wanted a piece of it. Blizzard started caring about IP rights when KeSPA decided they want to charge OGN/MBC for Proleague because "they run Proleague at a deficit" and sold the rights to it. The second money was involved, Blizzard flew in and told them they wanted a share of the pot on selling them, KeSPA refused because they claimed that they run on a deficit meaning they don't have money to give to blizzard to begin with and it meant that more money was coming out of sponsors pockets for PL/OSL/MSL. Of course KESPA were also douchebags about it cause they (supposedly/rumoredly) had the attitude "It's not like they can run SC2 without us" and probably did some underhanded shit. Blizzard gets mad due to KeSPA's BS attitude and this escalates down into a war where Blizzard eventually backs down because SC2 is tanking in korea despite all the money Blizzard had poured into it and they also realize KeSPA has no money. It's not completely blizzard's fault cause KeSPA is really bad at making money and the korean fans are also kind of douchey and refuse to pay for anything related to esports. So yeah Blizzard being greedy, KeSPA being incompetent/unprofessional. There you go. | ||
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darkest44
United States1009 Posts
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Torpedo.Vegas
United States1890 Posts
I noticed in this SC2 association discussion, foreign teams were kind of ignored. Is this going to end up being Korean SC2 scene interest versus the world SC2 scene interest? KeSPA has in the past been very.....controlling?....of their player base. Could they start blocking foreign participation in order to keep talent at home, or crack down on streaming players? I would really like to see how that whole relationship unfolds. That could be a big road bump for ESPORTS. | ||
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Torpedo.Vegas
United States1890 Posts
On January 24 2012 07:44 darkest44 wrote: Wow depressing to read. Especially that TIG guy... seemed like a douche. So basically they want to make a new kespa really bad and he says that BW teams should be banned from GOM tournaments but current SC2 pros should be allowed to participate in BW scene's tournaments for sc2? Is this guy insane? Rofl. Talk about stupidly bias, why the hell would the BW scene say sure you can participate in our leagues even though you banned us from yours! What an idiot. He doesnt say ban BW teams....or make another bad kespa-like organization. | ||
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darkest44
United States1009 Posts
Yea misread that, sorrys. | ||
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DigitalD[562]
United States80 Posts
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sour_eraser
Canada932 Posts
On January 24 2012 08:34 DigitalD[562] wrote: I have a hopeful outlook on the eventual switch of the BW teams. KeSPA (and it's teams) can NOT make sustainable money solely in Korea. The need for foreign fans, and the sponsorships that come with that hopefully force KeSPA to adopt a more inclusive attitude. ??? I hope this is a troll post. BW sponsers will gain nothing if they open more toward foreign scene (except for Samsung.) | ||
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1sz2sz3sz
Andorra173 Posts
On January 24 2012 08:34 DigitalD[562] wrote: I have a hopeful outlook on the eventual switch of the BW teams. KeSPA (and it's teams) can NOT make sustainable money solely in Korea. The need for foreign fans, and the sponsorships that come with that hopefully force KeSPA to adopt a more inclusive attitude. But most of the BW teams have no reason to advertise aboard besides maybe Samsung | ||
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Primadog
United States4411 Posts
On January 24 2012 08:41 jidolboy wrote: ??? I hope this is a troll post. BW sponsers will gain nothing if they open more toward foreign scene (except for Samsung.) Is that why they tried to host an OSL finals in China? | ||
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