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On December 15 2011 07:15 Ghostface_Killa wrote:Great response from Quantic, but I doubt Naniwa actually believes anything he said in his apology. Just look at his Twitter; after apologizing he then re-tweets a quote from Idra saying that if you want your players to take things seriously, not to force them to play meaningless matches. Yeah, Nani is full of shit.
Wrong, he retweeted that a long time ago. He must have realized what was wrong between then and now. Check your timestamps next time.
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a little over the top for my taste, I hope people forget this ever happend.
PLEASE for me, next time just 4gate.....x.x
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On December 15 2011 07:08 LunaSea wrote:
We came to a point where GOM.tv has so much power that even when they make stupid arbitrary decisions players and teams have to redeem, backpedall and write an apology messages...
This really disgusts me ! This is nowhere near eSport !
And this IS NOT Naniwas fault, IT IS Gom.tv's fault for having badly designed the tournament format period.
nani's apology along with quantic gaming disagrees with you.
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Good statement both by Quantic and Naniwa. I really hope that he stays true to what he said.
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Apology accepted.
Naniwa vs Nestea best of 7. $1000 to the charity of the winner's choice.
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On December 15 2011 07:25 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:15 Ghostface_Killa wrote:Great response from Quantic, but I doubt Naniwa actually believes anything he said in his apology. Just look at his Twitter; after apologizing he then re-tweets a quote from Idra saying that if you want your players to take things seriously, not to force them to play meaningless matches. Yeah, Nani is full of shit. Wrong, he retweeted that a long time ago. He must have realized what was wrong between then and now. Check your timestamps next time.
So he really is apologizing for his action then.
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lol naniwa didn't write that, i don't believe is he is sorry or wants to play for other people
which is great by the way, it means hes not an idiot
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On December 15 2011 07:26 Sylverin wrote:
a little over the top for my taste, I hope people forget this ever happend.
PLEASE for me, next time just 4gate.....x.x
or proxy gate, mothership rush, whatever. At least pretend to give a shit.
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Naniwa accepted he was wrong. His fans should do the same.
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Im not a fan of Naniwa, but I do respect him and accept the apology. This whole situation is the weirdest thing I have witnessed in my 1 year history with esports 
Good Luck Naniwa, I hope you regain code S and impress :D
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On December 15 2011 07:15 Ghostface_Killa wrote:Great response from Quantic, but I doubt Naniwa actually believes anything he said in his apology. Just look at his Twitter; after apologizing he then re-tweets a quote from Idra saying that if you want your players to take things seriously, not to force them to play meaningless matches. Yeah, Nani is full of shit.
I'm sure they both keep thinking the game was meaningless to play, Nani just apologized for the way he behaved on the game. Should he had cannon rushed or 4 gated or just DT rushed nobody will be talking about this, and the most delicated fans would have get what they wanted.
I just laughed a lot when I saw him do that, then switched to another game, been there, done that. It is easy. I can understand he didn't give a shit.
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On December 15 2011 07:29 azka wrote:
Naniwa accepted he was wrong. His fans should do the same.
Sure he was, but that doesn't make Gom TV's action's right.
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On December 15 2011 07:28 Skyreaper wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:25 Ghanburighan wrote:On December 15 2011 07:15 Ghostface_Killa wrote:Great response from Quantic, but I doubt Naniwa actually believes anything he said in his apology. Just look at his Twitter; after apologizing he then re-tweets a quote from Idra saying that if you want your players to take things seriously, not to force them to play meaningless matches. Yeah, Nani is full of shit. Wrong, he retweeted that a long time ago. He must have realized what was wrong between then and now. Check your timestamps next time. So he really is apologizing for his action then.
Surprise!!! there is a human behind that alias..
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Everyone makes mistakes (Other than MVP, of course)
I think this is a nice learning experience for NaNi. You cannot let your emotions get the best of you on the main stage. It just puts you on the spotlight for criticism.
Would love to see NaNiWa back in Code S though in the future.
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On December 15 2011 07:29 azka wrote:
Naniwa accepted he was wrong. His fans should do the same.
Of course it was a stupid thing to do, but GOM's reaction was also quite extreme
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Great lets get this drama over with. All its done for me is hesitation in giving GOM any more of my money. Hope they shape up and start taking responsibility for their own tournaments and the outcomes.
Are they going to explicitly ban worker rushes or just deal out this severe punishment to Naniwa?
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Nice apology. Looking forward to seeing more of Quantic next year.
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On December 15 2011 07:26 Truthful wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:08 LunaSea wrote:
We came to a point where GOM.tv has so much power that even when they make stupid arbitrary decisions players and teams have to redeem, backpedall and write an apology messages...
This really disgusts me ! This is nowhere near eSport !
And this IS NOT Naniwas fault, IT IS Gom.tv's fault for having badly designed the tournament format period. nani's apology along with quantic gaming disagrees with you.
Writing an apology doesn't means that you think what you wrote !
Especially when you have a 285 page thread gun pointed at you (not even counting GOM.tv's reaction if he didn't apologized).
The winner of that 1000$ tournament should go to a charity for free speech in dictatorial country's I would choke to death from laughing.
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On December 15 2011 07:25 Govou wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:23 softan wrote:On December 15 2011 07:20 Govou wrote:On December 15 2011 07:16 softan wrote:On December 15 2011 07:14 Govou wrote:On December 15 2011 07:12 softan wrote:On December 15 2011 07:11 Govou wrote:On December 15 2011 07:10 Mashmed wrote:On December 15 2011 07:08 nokz88 wrote:On December 15 2011 07:02 Mashmed wrote:
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The format really is crap. And the reason it hasn't been made "public" before is that no shitstorm like the shitstorm that this became has happened before. I bet there has been plenty of matches that has been pointless, alot of them not being played because the players/admins talked and decided they didn't want to play it. The fact that this hasn't happened in korea before is because koreans have been scared shitless of the tyranny of kespa for so many years and they have seen the reprecautions of other peoples mistakes. Foreigners have not which meant this eventually had to happen because now everyone know that you can't do stuff you can normally because koreans have a totally different view on things. Hate to break your bubble swedish guy, but care to tell me what's the format of your country's football league? I'm sorry if you just found it out and got shocked. You mean the worst football league in the world? i have no idea... tell me a big sports league around the world that has absolutely no 'meaningless' games I guess if everyone has them then we shouldn't strive to get rid of them either. Seriously I don't understand your logic here. How does it matter what everyone else does. Because everything else is shitty, does that mean we should keep things shitty on our end as well? Then why do you guys act like you found every league in the world is flawed after Naniwa went 0-3? Here are plausible explanation. Nothing is perfect yet this rule is generally accepted as the best one by alot of brains and fans around the world I've never said anything about other leagues in the world. You're the one that brought it up as far as I see. I can't speak for other people though so I don't know what you want me to say. In case you are forgetting what you said, I'm just pointing out that the format may not be as flawed as you believe. I haven't forgotten anything I said. You brought up "other tournaments" and tried to use that as an argument somehow. I have no idea what the format of other tournaments are and I don't care because I'm only interested in sc2 tournaments. I don't think you know what "most tournaments" in the world are like either since you've likely only seen a small fraction and I don't think what other tournaments does is relevant in any way which was my point all along. well this is going nowhere fast. I do not want to derail any further but I am an avid sports fan so I know quite a bit about sports in north america and major sporting events around the world. If you want to discuss any further. PM me.
No thanks I don't want to take that discussion any further either since I don't think we'd get anything out of it  .
I would like to add my thought on the whole naniwa incident though.
I think what he did was definetly wrong but I don't think it should considered against the rules. I think the tournament format itself should present you with enough incentive to want to win if it doesn't then it fails in my opinion. I still think Naniwa has acted immature and poorly not only now but in most events he's been in. I've never liked his personality and never been a fan of him in general. He's obviously a good player though and he plays because he likes to win tournaments and I can respect that. I don't think it should be expected of them to be these great personalities it should only be expected of them to be great at the game and that they follow the rules the tournament set up otherwise you kick them off (even though I don't agree with all the rules). I'm getting a little tired of being labeled a "fanboi" simply because I'm swedish so thought I should get that out there.
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On December 15 2011 07:29 azka wrote:
Naniwa accepted he was wrong. His fans should do the same.
I'd like to point out that not only his "fans" think that this was an unfair decision. And that Naniwa replied this way might as well be because he feels his chance to play at the GSL is lowered otherwise (or because Quantic forced him to do that). Eitherway, several pro gamers have been criticising the GSL over Naniwa, even before the severe punishment was publicised. Of those that did so I think Tyler might have been the one that I think have most credability in such manner, his post can be found here.
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