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A real man is not jugded by his actions, but in how he faces the consecuences of those.
Naniwa, you had my support all though this event, now you have also my respect.
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I want to give Naniwa a hug. Glad the issue is resolved, pretty impressed by Quantic.
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This is a good a time as any for a "Fan Show Match" between Naniwa and Nestea with neither winning anything, but instead a prize given to the fans watching.
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On December 15 2011 07:17 Govou wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:13 wats0n wrote:On December 15 2011 07:11 Govou wrote:On December 15 2011 07:10 Mashmed wrote:On December 15 2011 07:08 nokz88 wrote:On December 15 2011 07:02 Mashmed wrote:On December 15 2011 06:59 Loweryder wrote:On December 15 2011 06:18 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On December 15 2011 06:15 m0ck wrote:
Well, pretty much a statement as expected. I hope tomorrow we see GOM being similar upfront about their responsibility for what took place. Bad tournament formats results in perverse incentives, and GOM should own up to that. Yeah these are my thoughts as well. Naniwa's statement is really generous and respectful of GOM. I hope GOM has the sense to reciprocate. I don't understand everyone's criticism of the tournament format... Group stages have been around seemingly forever, and several progamers (including Huk I believe) have expressed that it is their favourite type of tournament play, as it generally negates the occasional occurence of tournament favourites knocking each other out in the early rounds. It's not like GOMTV came up with this brand new, never-before-seen tournament format that just failed miserably... in that sense I'm not sure why GOMTV would have to apologize. Please let me know if I am missing something... the whole 'group stage format causes useless games' has never seemed to be an issue before this incident, it was assumed that players would act professionally in each match. Is it because there was no prize difference between 4th and 5th place? Is it becaues it's BO1 (it's not like this is new either)? Maybe it has been an issue and I've just never heard of it. On a side note, the apology is very well done if it is sincere. The format really is crap. And the reason it hasn't been made "public" before is that no shitstorm like the shitstorm that this became has happened before. I bet there has been plenty of matches that has been pointless, alot of them not being played because the players/admins talked and decided they didn't want to play it. The fact that this hasn't happened in korea before is because koreans have been scared shitless of the tyranny of kespa for so many years and they have seen the reprecautions of other peoples mistakes. Foreigners have not which meant this eventually had to happen because now everyone know that you can't do stuff you can normally because koreans have a totally different view on things. Hate to break your bubble swedish guy, but care to tell me what's the format of your country's football league? I'm sorry if you just found it out and got shocked. You mean the worst football league in the world? i have no idea... tell me a big sports league around the world that has absolutely no 'meaningless' games GOMTV. GSL. There are no meaningless games. And now you know. Unless you wanna try and probe rush again. See what happens. If you use same professional standard that GOM uses, there are in fact many leauges around the world who have no meaningless game. so it is true. if we go by, Naniwa fanbois argument, all the league around the world are flawed. So why pick on GOM and demand apology? since it is clear this is a format generally accepted as one of the best by many.
What you just wrote made no sense whatsoever.
You asked for a league that has no meaningless games. I told you GSL. None of the games are meaningless. You try in all of the games or you will be kicked out. What else are you trying to ask?
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Damage control
I now have a lot of respect for quantic gaming.
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On December 15 2011 07:16 softan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:14 Govou wrote:On December 15 2011 07:12 softan wrote:On December 15 2011 07:11 Govou wrote:On December 15 2011 07:10 Mashmed wrote:On December 15 2011 07:08 nokz88 wrote:On December 15 2011 07:02 Mashmed wrote:On December 15 2011 06:59 Loweryder wrote:On December 15 2011 06:18 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On December 15 2011 06:15 m0ck wrote:
Well, pretty much a statement as expected. I hope tomorrow we see GOM being similar upfront about their responsibility for what took place. Bad tournament formats results in perverse incentives, and GOM should own up to that. Yeah these are my thoughts as well. Naniwa's statement is really generous and respectful of GOM. I hope GOM has the sense to reciprocate. I don't understand everyone's criticism of the tournament format... Group stages have been around seemingly forever, and several progamers (including Huk I believe) have expressed that it is their favourite type of tournament play, as it generally negates the occasional occurence of tournament favourites knocking each other out in the early rounds. It's not like GOMTV came up with this brand new, never-before-seen tournament format that just failed miserably... in that sense I'm not sure why GOMTV would have to apologize. Please let me know if I am missing something... the whole 'group stage format causes useless games' has never seemed to be an issue before this incident, it was assumed that players would act professionally in each match. Is it because there was no prize difference between 4th and 5th place? Is it becaues it's BO1 (it's not like this is new either)? Maybe it has been an issue and I've just never heard of it. On a side note, the apology is very well done if it is sincere. The format really is crap. And the reason it hasn't been made "public" before is that no shitstorm like the shitstorm that this became has happened before. I bet there has been plenty of matches that has been pointless, alot of them not being played because the players/admins talked and decided they didn't want to play it. The fact that this hasn't happened in korea before is because koreans have been scared shitless of the tyranny of kespa for so many years and they have seen the reprecautions of other peoples mistakes. Foreigners have not which meant this eventually had to happen because now everyone know that you can't do stuff you can normally because koreans have a totally different view on things. Hate to break your bubble swedish guy, but care to tell me what's the format of your country's football league? I'm sorry if you just found it out and got shocked. You mean the worst football league in the world? i have no idea... tell me a big sports league around the world that has absolutely no 'meaningless' games I guess if everyone has them then we shouldn't strive to get rid of them either. Seriously I don't understand your logic here. How does it matter what everyone else does. Because everything else is shitty, does that mean we should keep things shitty on our end as well? Then why do you guys act like you found every league in the world is flawed after Naniwa went 0-3? Here are plausible explanation. Nothing is perfect yet this rule is generally accepted as the best one by alot of brains and fans around the world I've never said anything about other leagues in the world. You're the one that brought it up as far as I see. I can't speak for other people though so I don't know what you want me to say.
In case you are forgetting what you said, I'm just pointing out that the format may not be as flawed as you believe.
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Thank you Johan, I love your statement. Reading those lines... almost doesn't sound like NaNiWa anymore. I think you've grown tremendously as a human as well as a player due to those incidents and consequences. Please keep fighting, you have my support. Crush 'em! :D
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On December 15 2011 07:20 wats0n wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:17 Govou wrote:On December 15 2011 07:13 wats0n wrote:On December 15 2011 07:11 Govou wrote:On December 15 2011 07:10 Mashmed wrote:On December 15 2011 07:08 nokz88 wrote:On December 15 2011 07:02 Mashmed wrote:On December 15 2011 06:59 Loweryder wrote:On December 15 2011 06:18 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On December 15 2011 06:15 m0ck wrote:
Well, pretty much a statement as expected. I hope tomorrow we see GOM being similar upfront about their responsibility for what took place. Bad tournament formats results in perverse incentives, and GOM should own up to that. Yeah these are my thoughts as well. Naniwa's statement is really generous and respectful of GOM. I hope GOM has the sense to reciprocate. I don't understand everyone's criticism of the tournament format... Group stages have been around seemingly forever, and several progamers (including Huk I believe) have expressed that it is their favourite type of tournament play, as it generally negates the occasional occurence of tournament favourites knocking each other out in the early rounds. It's not like GOMTV came up with this brand new, never-before-seen tournament format that just failed miserably... in that sense I'm not sure why GOMTV would have to apologize. Please let me know if I am missing something... the whole 'group stage format causes useless games' has never seemed to be an issue before this incident, it was assumed that players would act professionally in each match. Is it because there was no prize difference between 4th and 5th place? Is it becaues it's BO1 (it's not like this is new either)? Maybe it has been an issue and I've just never heard of it. On a side note, the apology is very well done if it is sincere. The format really is crap. And the reason it hasn't been made "public" before is that no shitstorm like the shitstorm that this became has happened before. I bet there has been plenty of matches that has been pointless, alot of them not being played because the players/admins talked and decided they didn't want to play it. The fact that this hasn't happened in korea before is because koreans have been scared shitless of the tyranny of kespa for so many years and they have seen the reprecautions of other peoples mistakes. Foreigners have not which meant this eventually had to happen because now everyone know that you can't do stuff you can normally because koreans have a totally different view on things. Hate to break your bubble swedish guy, but care to tell me what's the format of your country's football league? I'm sorry if you just found it out and got shocked. You mean the worst football league in the world? i have no idea... tell me a big sports league around the world that has absolutely no 'meaningless' games GOMTV. GSL. There are no meaningless games. And now you know. Unless you wanna try and probe rush again. See what happens. If you use same professional standard that GOM uses, there are in fact many leauges around the world who have no meaningless game. so it is true. if we go by, Naniwa fanbois argument, all the league around the world are flawed. So why pick on GOM and demand apology? since it is clear this is a format generally accepted as one of the best by many. What you just wrote made no sense whatsoever. You asked for a league that has no meaningless games. I told you GSL. None of the games are meaningless. You try in all of the games or you will be kicked out. What else are you trying to ask?
I think you dont understand what I"m saying because you are reading it wrong.
I just expanded on your view and wasn't asking anymore question. happy?
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On December 15 2011 07:20 Govou wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:16 softan wrote:On December 15 2011 07:14 Govou wrote:On December 15 2011 07:12 softan wrote:On December 15 2011 07:11 Govou wrote:On December 15 2011 07:10 Mashmed wrote:On December 15 2011 07:08 nokz88 wrote:On December 15 2011 07:02 Mashmed wrote:On December 15 2011 06:59 Loweryder wrote:On December 15 2011 06:18 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
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Yeah these are my thoughts as well. Naniwa's statement is really generous and respectful of GOM. I hope GOM has the sense to reciprocate. I don't understand everyone's criticism of the tournament format... Group stages have been around seemingly forever, and several progamers (including Huk I believe) have expressed that it is their favourite type of tournament play, as it generally negates the occasional occurence of tournament favourites knocking each other out in the early rounds. It's not like GOMTV came up with this brand new, never-before-seen tournament format that just failed miserably... in that sense I'm not sure why GOMTV would have to apologize. Please let me know if I am missing something... the whole 'group stage format causes useless games' has never seemed to be an issue before this incident, it was assumed that players would act professionally in each match. Is it because there was no prize difference between 4th and 5th place? Is it becaues it's BO1 (it's not like this is new either)? Maybe it has been an issue and I've just never heard of it. On a side note, the apology is very well done if it is sincere. The format really is crap. And the reason it hasn't been made "public" before is that no shitstorm like the shitstorm that this became has happened before. I bet there has been plenty of matches that has been pointless, alot of them not being played because the players/admins talked and decided they didn't want to play it. The fact that this hasn't happened in korea before is because koreans have been scared shitless of the tyranny of kespa for so many years and they have seen the reprecautions of other peoples mistakes. Foreigners have not which meant this eventually had to happen because now everyone know that you can't do stuff you can normally because koreans have a totally different view on things. Hate to break your bubble swedish guy, but care to tell me what's the format of your country's football league? I'm sorry if you just found it out and got shocked. You mean the worst football league in the world? i have no idea... tell me a big sports league around the world that has absolutely no 'meaningless' games I guess if everyone has them then we shouldn't strive to get rid of them either. Seriously I don't understand your logic here. How does it matter what everyone else does. Because everything else is shitty, does that mean we should keep things shitty on our end as well? Then why do you guys act like you found every league in the world is flawed after Naniwa went 0-3? Here are plausible explanation. Nothing is perfect yet this rule is generally accepted as the best one by alot of brains and fans around the world I've never said anything about other leagues in the world. You're the one that brought it up as far as I see. I can't speak for other people though so I don't know what you want me to say. In case you are forgetting what you said, I'm just pointing out that the format may not be as flawed as you believe.
I haven't forgotten anything I said. You brought up "other tournaments" and tried to use that as an argument somehow. I have no idea what the format of other tournaments are and I don't care because I'm only interested in sc2 tournaments. I don't think you know what "most tournaments" in the world are like either since you've likely only seen a small fraction and I don't think what other tournaments does is relevant in any way which was my point all along.
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Great statement! Naniwa fighting! I can't wait to see how far your hard work in Korea takes you.
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Good, I accept his apology. Good luck Nani!!!
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On December 15 2011 07:15 Ghostface_Killa wrote:Great response from Quantic, but I doubt Naniwa actually believes anything he said in his apology. Just look at his Twitter; after apologizing he then re-tweets a quote from Idra saying that if you want your players to take things seriously, not to force them to play meaningless matches. Yeah, Nani is full of shit.
Nani is getting nowhere to being a pro-gamer!
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naniwa will practice like a boss to plot his comeback
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Quantic Gaming really handled this well for being such a fresh team and Nani's apology was spot on. IMO GOMTV has blown this all out of proportion, this should have settled it but it's not like they can uninvite Sen or Idra by now even if they wanted. Too bad, gl in the future Nani!
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tbh I think it got blown kind of out of proportion, but an apology is always nice
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An unneeded apology in my opinion, but good for him. Hope GSL accepts him back.
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The apology is warranted, but I don't think his code change should have happened, but whatever. Stepping out of a tourney to show apology doesn't seem like a step in the right direction either. People are qq'n cause they wanted to see him play, and now he is going to skip a tourney? WhaT?
I don't disrespect his actions either. It was a bad decision, but I don't consider it against his choices.
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I hope this is really what naniwa thinks and hope that he learns from this incident
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On December 15 2011 07:02 Mattchew wrote:
Quantic put on a $1,000 showmatch BO9 to make this right!
Haven't you understood yet that it's about honor and that a saint like Nestea would never sell his honor for such a low thing. Make it 10,000. He'll come running.
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On December 15 2011 07:23 softan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:20 Govou wrote:On December 15 2011 07:16 softan wrote:On December 15 2011 07:14 Govou wrote:On December 15 2011 07:12 softan wrote:On December 15 2011 07:11 Govou wrote:On December 15 2011 07:10 Mashmed wrote:On December 15 2011 07:08 nokz88 wrote:On December 15 2011 07:02 Mashmed wrote:On December 15 2011 06:59 Loweryder wrote:
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I don't understand everyone's criticism of the tournament format... Group stages have been around seemingly forever, and several progamers (including Huk I believe) have expressed that it is their favourite type of tournament play, as it generally negates the occasional occurence of tournament favourites knocking each other out in the early rounds. It's not like GOMTV came up with this brand new, never-before-seen tournament format that just failed miserably... in that sense I'm not sure why GOMTV would have to apologize.
Please let me know if I am missing something... the whole 'group stage format causes useless games' has never seemed to be an issue before this incident, it was assumed that players would act professionally in each match. Is it because there was no prize difference between 4th and 5th place? Is it becaues it's BO1 (it's not like this is new either)? Maybe it has been an issue and I've just never heard of it.
On a side note, the apology is very well done if it is sincere. The format really is crap. And the reason it hasn't been made "public" before is that no shitstorm like the shitstorm that this became has happened before. I bet there has been plenty of matches that has been pointless, alot of them not being played because the players/admins talked and decided they didn't want to play it. The fact that this hasn't happened in korea before is because koreans have been scared shitless of the tyranny of kespa for so many years and they have seen the reprecautions of other peoples mistakes. Foreigners have not which meant this eventually had to happen because now everyone know that you can't do stuff you can normally because koreans have a totally different view on things. Hate to break your bubble swedish guy, but care to tell me what's the format of your country's football league? I'm sorry if you just found it out and got shocked. You mean the worst football league in the world? i have no idea... tell me a big sports league around the world that has absolutely no 'meaningless' games I guess if everyone has them then we shouldn't strive to get rid of them either. Seriously I don't understand your logic here. How does it matter what everyone else does. Because everything else is shitty, does that mean we should keep things shitty on our end as well? Then why do you guys act like you found every league in the world is flawed after Naniwa went 0-3? Here are plausible explanation. Nothing is perfect yet this rule is generally accepted as the best one by alot of brains and fans around the world I've never said anything about other leagues in the world. You're the one that brought it up as far as I see. I can't speak for other people though so I don't know what you want me to say. In case you are forgetting what you said, I'm just pointing out that the format may not be as flawed as you believe. I haven't forgotten anything I said. You brought up "other tournaments" and tried to use that as an argument somehow. I have no idea what the format of other tournaments are and I don't care because I'm only interested in sc2 tournaments. I don't think you know what "most tournaments" in the world are like either since you've likely only seen a small fraction and I don't think what other tournaments does is relevant in any way which was my point all along.
well this is going nowhere fast. I do not want to derail any further but I am an avid sports fan so I know quite a bit about sports in north america and major sporting events around the world. If you want to discuss any further. PM me.
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