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On December 15 2011 07:10 Mashmed wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:08 nokz88 wrote:On December 15 2011 07:02 Mashmed wrote:On December 15 2011 06:59 Loweryder wrote:On December 15 2011 06:18 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On December 15 2011 06:15 m0ck wrote:
Well, pretty much a statement as expected. I hope tomorrow we see GOM being similar upfront about their responsibility for what took place. Bad tournament formats results in perverse incentives, and GOM should own up to that. Yeah these are my thoughts as well. Naniwa's statement is really generous and respectful of GOM. I hope GOM has the sense to reciprocate. I don't understand everyone's criticism of the tournament format... Group stages have been around seemingly forever, and several progamers (including Huk I believe) have expressed that it is their favourite type of tournament play, as it generally negates the occasional occurence of tournament favourites knocking each other out in the early rounds. It's not like GOMTV came up with this brand new, never-before-seen tournament format that just failed miserably... in that sense I'm not sure why GOMTV would have to apologize. Please let me know if I am missing something... the whole 'group stage format causes useless games' has never seemed to be an issue before this incident, it was assumed that players would act professionally in each match. Is it because there was no prize difference between 4th and 5th place? Is it becaues it's BO1 (it's not like this is new either)? Maybe it has been an issue and I've just never heard of it. On a side note, the apology is very well done if it is sincere. The format really is crap. And the reason it hasn't been made "public" before is that no shitstorm like the shitstorm that this became has happened before. I bet there has been plenty of matches that has been pointless, alot of them not being played because the players/admins talked and decided they didn't want to play it. The fact that this hasn't happened in korea before is because koreans have been scared shitless of the tyranny of kespa for so many years and they have seen the reprecautions of other peoples mistakes. Foreigners have not which meant this eventually had to happen because now everyone know that you can't do stuff you can normally because koreans have a totally different view on things. Hate to break your bubble swedish guy, but care to tell me what's the format of your country's football league? I'm sorry if you just found it out and got shocked. You mean the worst football league in the world? i have no idea...
tell me a big sports league around the world that has absolutely no 'meaningless' games
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On December 15 2011 07:11 Govou wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:10 Mashmed wrote:On December 15 2011 07:08 nokz88 wrote:On December 15 2011 07:02 Mashmed wrote:On December 15 2011 06:59 Loweryder wrote:On December 15 2011 06:18 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On December 15 2011 06:15 m0ck wrote:
Well, pretty much a statement as expected. I hope tomorrow we see GOM being similar upfront about their responsibility for what took place. Bad tournament formats results in perverse incentives, and GOM should own up to that. Yeah these are my thoughts as well. Naniwa's statement is really generous and respectful of GOM. I hope GOM has the sense to reciprocate. I don't understand everyone's criticism of the tournament format... Group stages have been around seemingly forever, and several progamers (including Huk I believe) have expressed that it is their favourite type of tournament play, as it generally negates the occasional occurence of tournament favourites knocking each other out in the early rounds. It's not like GOMTV came up with this brand new, never-before-seen tournament format that just failed miserably... in that sense I'm not sure why GOMTV would have to apologize. Please let me know if I am missing something... the whole 'group stage format causes useless games' has never seemed to be an issue before this incident, it was assumed that players would act professionally in each match. Is it because there was no prize difference between 4th and 5th place? Is it becaues it's BO1 (it's not like this is new either)? Maybe it has been an issue and I've just never heard of it. On a side note, the apology is very well done if it is sincere. The format really is crap. And the reason it hasn't been made "public" before is that no shitstorm like the shitstorm that this became has happened before. I bet there has been plenty of matches that has been pointless, alot of them not being played because the players/admins talked and decided they didn't want to play it. The fact that this hasn't happened in korea before is because koreans have been scared shitless of the tyranny of kespa for so many years and they have seen the reprecautions of other peoples mistakes. Foreigners have not which meant this eventually had to happen because now everyone know that you can't do stuff you can normally because koreans have a totally different view on things. Hate to break your bubble swedish guy, but care to tell me what's the format of your country's football league? I'm sorry if you just found it out and got shocked. You mean the worst football league in the world? i have no idea... tell me a big sports league around the world that has absolutely no 'meaningless' games
I guess if everyone has them then we shouldn't strive to get rid of them either.
Seriously I don't understand your logic here. How does it matter what everyone else does. Because everything else is shitty, does that mean we should keep things shitty on our end as well? I think it would be good to get rid of games that doesn't matter.
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To me a large factor is that, this is a difference of cultures and accepted practice in competition. Personally I'm glad Naniwa did what he did, in what most likely would have been a mediocre game between himself and Nestea, in which at least one of the competitors isn't trying to play even close to his full capabilities, due to the match having no implications on the tournament results, and his focus being solely on winning the tournament.
Naniwa probe rushing shows the man behind the game, which is only going to help grow the scene. Commentators don't have to guess as to how the players feel, they know, everyone knows in this situation, it adds drama and excitement which is what we all want when good games can't be had. Personally i don't see the situation as a negative which needs apology, the Western scene doesn't need to kowtow to Korea, what is common practice in Korean competition should have no factor on how Western players conduct themselves in a Global League. Naniwa doesn't need to be a Kespa drone who shows no emotion(even though Korean sc2 players express emotion a lot more than BW), if he enters a tournament and there is no specific rule prohibiting him taking such a drastic action, except that he offends the delicate sensibilities of the fans. Be passionate, its controversial, but don't take from him something he earned, through his talents which only serve to benefit you. Anger, hatred, love and indifference are all parts of every sport in the world, but just because you disagree with his action doesn't mean he owes you anything. He doesn't deserve to be punished because you think he robbed you of a match that was his to play as he chooses. I agree with Tylers point the match shouldn't even have had to be played as it was inconsequential, but I guess if you take such a point of view you realise you were robbed of nothing.
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On December 15 2011 07:11 Govou wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:10 Mashmed wrote:On December 15 2011 07:08 nokz88 wrote:On December 15 2011 07:02 Mashmed wrote:On December 15 2011 06:59 Loweryder wrote:On December 15 2011 06:18 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On December 15 2011 06:15 m0ck wrote:
Well, pretty much a statement as expected. I hope tomorrow we see GOM being similar upfront about their responsibility for what took place. Bad tournament formats results in perverse incentives, and GOM should own up to that. Yeah these are my thoughts as well. Naniwa's statement is really generous and respectful of GOM. I hope GOM has the sense to reciprocate. I don't understand everyone's criticism of the tournament format... Group stages have been around seemingly forever, and several progamers (including Huk I believe) have expressed that it is their favourite type of tournament play, as it generally negates the occasional occurence of tournament favourites knocking each other out in the early rounds. It's not like GOMTV came up with this brand new, never-before-seen tournament format that just failed miserably... in that sense I'm not sure why GOMTV would have to apologize. Please let me know if I am missing something... the whole 'group stage format causes useless games' has never seemed to be an issue before this incident, it was assumed that players would act professionally in each match. Is it because there was no prize difference between 4th and 5th place? Is it becaues it's BO1 (it's not like this is new either)? Maybe it has been an issue and I've just never heard of it. On a side note, the apology is very well done if it is sincere. The format really is crap. And the reason it hasn't been made "public" before is that no shitstorm like the shitstorm that this became has happened before. I bet there has been plenty of matches that has been pointless, alot of them not being played because the players/admins talked and decided they didn't want to play it. The fact that this hasn't happened in korea before is because koreans have been scared shitless of the tyranny of kespa for so many years and they have seen the reprecautions of other peoples mistakes. Foreigners have not which meant this eventually had to happen because now everyone know that you can't do stuff you can normally because koreans have a totally different view on things. Hate to break your bubble swedish guy, but care to tell me what's the format of your country's football league? I'm sorry if you just found it out and got shocked. You mean the worst football league in the world? i have no idea... tell me a big sports league around the world that has absolutely no 'meaningless' games
GOMTV. GSL. There are no meaningless games.
And now you know. Unless you wanna try and probe rush again. See what happens.
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On December 15 2011 07:10 softan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:08 nokz88 wrote:On December 15 2011 07:02 Mashmed wrote:On December 15 2011 06:59 Loweryder wrote:On December 15 2011 06:18 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On December 15 2011 06:15 m0ck wrote:
Well, pretty much a statement as expected. I hope tomorrow we see GOM being similar upfront about their responsibility for what took place. Bad tournament formats results in perverse incentives, and GOM should own up to that. Yeah these are my thoughts as well. Naniwa's statement is really generous and respectful of GOM. I hope GOM has the sense to reciprocate. I don't understand everyone's criticism of the tournament format... Group stages have been around seemingly forever, and several progamers (including Huk I believe) have expressed that it is their favourite type of tournament play, as it generally negates the occasional occurence of tournament favourites knocking each other out in the early rounds. It's not like GOMTV came up with this brand new, never-before-seen tournament format that just failed miserably... in that sense I'm not sure why GOMTV would have to apologize. Please let me know if I am missing something... the whole 'group stage format causes useless games' has never seemed to be an issue before this incident, it was assumed that players would act professionally in each match. Is it because there was no prize difference between 4th and 5th place? Is it becaues it's BO1 (it's not like this is new either)? Maybe it has been an issue and I've just never heard of it. On a side note, the apology is very well done if it is sincere. The format really is crap. And the reason it hasn't been made "public" before is that no shitstorm like the shitstorm that this became has happened before. I bet there has been plenty of matches that has been pointless, alot of them not being played because the players/admins talked and decided they didn't want to play it. The fact that this hasn't happened in korea before is because koreans have been scared shitless of the tyranny of kespa for so many years and they have seen the reprecautions of other peoples mistakes. Foreigners have not which meant this eventually had to happen because now everyone know that you can't do stuff you can normally because koreans have a totally different view on things. Hate to break your bubble swedish guy, but care to tell me what's the format of your country's football league? I'm sorry if you just found it out and got shocked. Seeing as many don't care about football here I doubt he knows or cares. At least I don't
I do care about football just not... swedish crap football. From what i know there are like 15 teams they all play x games and then you decide a winner.. nothing like what the blizzard cup was about... so what?
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On December 15 2011 06:57 Insane wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 06:53 Naniwa wrote:I can assure that i did indeed write everything. they only did spellchecking  thanks for alot of positive support. i will come back stronger ! It's good to see you taking this so maturely when you basically got screwed by Gom's unprofessional-ness. I look forward to watching your games in the future
it's ironic you would bring up the dynamics of maturity and unprofessional-ness of Gom considering the situation.
hope you meant what you said nani.
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Just give the man an UP/DOWN seed instead. That way he can redeem himself by proving himself worthy of Code S seed.
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big thanks to Quantic for handling this this way. I really appreciate that they show the resolve to work with Naniwa and dont just try to kick him out at the best chance ( I look at you coL)
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On December 15 2011 07:12 softan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:11 Govou wrote:On December 15 2011 07:10 Mashmed wrote:On December 15 2011 07:08 nokz88 wrote:On December 15 2011 07:02 Mashmed wrote:On December 15 2011 06:59 Loweryder wrote:On December 15 2011 06:18 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On December 15 2011 06:15 m0ck wrote:
Well, pretty much a statement as expected. I hope tomorrow we see GOM being similar upfront about their responsibility for what took place. Bad tournament formats results in perverse incentives, and GOM should own up to that. Yeah these are my thoughts as well. Naniwa's statement is really generous and respectful of GOM. I hope GOM has the sense to reciprocate. I don't understand everyone's criticism of the tournament format... Group stages have been around seemingly forever, and several progamers (including Huk I believe) have expressed that it is their favourite type of tournament play, as it generally negates the occasional occurence of tournament favourites knocking each other out in the early rounds. It's not like GOMTV came up with this brand new, never-before-seen tournament format that just failed miserably... in that sense I'm not sure why GOMTV would have to apologize. Please let me know if I am missing something... the whole 'group stage format causes useless games' has never seemed to be an issue before this incident, it was assumed that players would act professionally in each match. Is it because there was no prize difference between 4th and 5th place? Is it becaues it's BO1 (it's not like this is new either)? Maybe it has been an issue and I've just never heard of it. On a side note, the apology is very well done if it is sincere. The format really is crap. And the reason it hasn't been made "public" before is that no shitstorm like the shitstorm that this became has happened before. I bet there has been plenty of matches that has been pointless, alot of them not being played because the players/admins talked and decided they didn't want to play it. The fact that this hasn't happened in korea before is because koreans have been scared shitless of the tyranny of kespa for so many years and they have seen the reprecautions of other peoples mistakes. Foreigners have not which meant this eventually had to happen because now everyone know that you can't do stuff you can normally because koreans have a totally different view on things. Hate to break your bubble swedish guy, but care to tell me what's the format of your country's football league? I'm sorry if you just found it out and got shocked. You mean the worst football league in the world? i have no idea... tell me a big sports league around the world that has absolutely no 'meaningless' games I guess if everyone has them then we shouldn't strive to get rid of them either. Seriously I don't understand your logic here. How does it matter what everyone else does. Because everything else is shitty, does that mean we should keep things shitty on our end as well?
Then why do you guys act like you found every league in the world is flawed after Naniwa went 0-3?
Here are plausible explanation.
Nothing is perfect yet this rule is generally accepted as the best one by alot of brains and fans around the world
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Great response from Quantic, but I doubt Naniwa actually believes anything he said in his apology.
Just look at his Twitter; after apologizing he then re-tweets a quote from Idra saying that if you want your players to take things seriously, not to force them to play meaningless matches. Yeah, Nani is full of shit.
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I wonder who wrote that apology statement. Sure doesn't sound like Nani wrote it himself unless his attitude has changed significantly recently.
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On December 15 2011 07:11 Aserrin wrote:
When did Naniwa get so many fanboys?
When he became a good player.
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On December 15 2011 06:57 oban wrote:
Sad you have to suck up like this even though you did nothing wrong.
It's ok Nani, It doesn't matter if you fail once in a while. To me you'll always be the only Swede in SC2 with the eyes of a tiger.
First off he did do something wrong.
Second he has done plenty of things that were reprehensible in the public's eyes.
Third way to just completely shit on Sweden. Jinro, SaSe, ThorZaIN, plus a whole bunch of other talented, driven players that you just ignored.
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i love nani regardless... just extremely surprised with his response. i have no doubt he wrote it... but curious as to how much influence some people had on what he says!
regardless, i wish him the best of luck and will always support
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On December 15 2011 07:14 Govou wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:12 softan wrote:On December 15 2011 07:11 Govou wrote:On December 15 2011 07:10 Mashmed wrote:On December 15 2011 07:08 nokz88 wrote:On December 15 2011 07:02 Mashmed wrote:On December 15 2011 06:59 Loweryder wrote:On December 15 2011 06:18 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On December 15 2011 06:15 m0ck wrote:
Well, pretty much a statement as expected. I hope tomorrow we see GOM being similar upfront about their responsibility for what took place. Bad tournament formats results in perverse incentives, and GOM should own up to that. Yeah these are my thoughts as well. Naniwa's statement is really generous and respectful of GOM. I hope GOM has the sense to reciprocate. I don't understand everyone's criticism of the tournament format... Group stages have been around seemingly forever, and several progamers (including Huk I believe) have expressed that it is their favourite type of tournament play, as it generally negates the occasional occurence of tournament favourites knocking each other out in the early rounds. It's not like GOMTV came up with this brand new, never-before-seen tournament format that just failed miserably... in that sense I'm not sure why GOMTV would have to apologize. Please let me know if I am missing something... the whole 'group stage format causes useless games' has never seemed to be an issue before this incident, it was assumed that players would act professionally in each match. Is it because there was no prize difference between 4th and 5th place? Is it becaues it's BO1 (it's not like this is new either)? Maybe it has been an issue and I've just never heard of it. On a side note, the apology is very well done if it is sincere. The format really is crap. And the reason it hasn't been made "public" before is that no shitstorm like the shitstorm that this became has happened before. I bet there has been plenty of matches that has been pointless, alot of them not being played because the players/admins talked and decided they didn't want to play it. The fact that this hasn't happened in korea before is because koreans have been scared shitless of the tyranny of kespa for so many years and they have seen the reprecautions of other peoples mistakes. Foreigners have not which meant this eventually had to happen because now everyone know that you can't do stuff you can normally because koreans have a totally different view on things. Hate to break your bubble swedish guy, but care to tell me what's the format of your country's football league? I'm sorry if you just found it out and got shocked. You mean the worst football league in the world? i have no idea... tell me a big sports league around the world that has absolutely no 'meaningless' games I guess if everyone has them then we shouldn't strive to get rid of them either. Seriously I don't understand your logic here. How does it matter what everyone else does. Because everything else is shitty, does that mean we should keep things shitty on our end as well? Then why do you guys act like you found every league in the world is flawed after Naniwa went 0-3? Here are plausible explanation. Nothing is perfect yet this rule is generally accepted as the best one by alot of brains and fans around the world
I've never said anything about other leagues in the world. You're the one that brought it up as far as I see. I can't speak for other people though so I don't know what you want me to say.
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On December 15 2011 07:09 Kira__ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:08 LunaSea wrote:
We came to a point where GOM.tv has so much power that even when they make stupid arbitrary decisions players and teams have to redeem, backpedall and write an apology messages...
This really disgusts me ! This is nowhere near eSport !
And this IS NOT Naniwas fault, IT IS Gom.tv's fault for having badly designed the tournament format period. It is naniwas fault, he even appologized for it himself. What more do you need?
Just because he apologized doesnt mean its his fault only.
Naniwa and his team took the classy way out of this whole ordeal, and choose to do what was best for everyone in the community and the industry.
Gom just kespa'd naniwa and thats it.
I think both parties are at fault here, the difference is on how they handled the situation, and i personally, am not watching gsl anymore, as much as i love tastosis, im not supporting kespa v2, lets see how well they fare without foreigners in their tournament.
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On December 15 2011 07:11 Govou wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:10 Mashmed wrote:On December 15 2011 07:08 nokz88 wrote:On December 15 2011 07:02 Mashmed wrote:On December 15 2011 06:59 Loweryder wrote:On December 15 2011 06:18 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On December 15 2011 06:15 m0ck wrote:
Well, pretty much a statement as expected. I hope tomorrow we see GOM being similar upfront about their responsibility for what took place. Bad tournament formats results in perverse incentives, and GOM should own up to that. Yeah these are my thoughts as well. Naniwa's statement is really generous and respectful of GOM. I hope GOM has the sense to reciprocate. I don't understand everyone's criticism of the tournament format... Group stages have been around seemingly forever, and several progamers (including Huk I believe) have expressed that it is their favourite type of tournament play, as it generally negates the occasional occurence of tournament favourites knocking each other out in the early rounds. It's not like GOMTV came up with this brand new, never-before-seen tournament format that just failed miserably... in that sense I'm not sure why GOMTV would have to apologize. Please let me know if I am missing something... the whole 'group stage format causes useless games' has never seemed to be an issue before this incident, it was assumed that players would act professionally in each match. Is it because there was no prize difference between 4th and 5th place? Is it becaues it's BO1 (it's not like this is new either)? Maybe it has been an issue and I've just never heard of it. On a side note, the apology is very well done if it is sincere. Most football leagues if im not mistaken? I think all of them has seeding depending on where you placed last season. Also the bottom 3 or so teams gets demoted so I don't think those have any real meaningless games. Might be wrong though. The format really is crap. And the reason it hasn't been made "public" before is that no shitstorm like the shitstorm that this became has happened before. I bet there has been plenty of matches that has been pointless, alot of them not being played because the players/admins talked and decided they didn't want to play it. The fact that this hasn't happened in korea before is because koreans have been scared shitless of the tyranny of kespa for so many years and they have seen the reprecautions of other peoples mistakes. Foreigners have not which meant this eventually had to happen because now everyone know that you can't do stuff you can normally because koreans have a totally different view on things. Hate to break your bubble swedish guy, but care to tell me what's the format of your country's football league? I'm sorry if you just found it out and got shocked. You mean the worst football league in the world? i have no idea... tell me a big sports league around the world that has absolutely no 'meaningless' games
Most football leagues around the world actually? If i'm not mistaken teams are seeded depending on their performance the past year. The bottom teams get demoted. So not sure they have pointless games.
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On December 15 2011 07:13 wats0n wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 07:11 Govou wrote:On December 15 2011 07:10 Mashmed wrote:On December 15 2011 07:08 nokz88 wrote:On December 15 2011 07:02 Mashmed wrote:On December 15 2011 06:59 Loweryder wrote:On December 15 2011 06:18 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On December 15 2011 06:15 m0ck wrote:
Well, pretty much a statement as expected. I hope tomorrow we see GOM being similar upfront about their responsibility for what took place. Bad tournament formats results in perverse incentives, and GOM should own up to that. Yeah these are my thoughts as well. Naniwa's statement is really generous and respectful of GOM. I hope GOM has the sense to reciprocate. I don't understand everyone's criticism of the tournament format... Group stages have been around seemingly forever, and several progamers (including Huk I believe) have expressed that it is their favourite type of tournament play, as it generally negates the occasional occurence of tournament favourites knocking each other out in the early rounds. It's not like GOMTV came up with this brand new, never-before-seen tournament format that just failed miserably... in that sense I'm not sure why GOMTV would have to apologize. Please let me know if I am missing something... the whole 'group stage format causes useless games' has never seemed to be an issue before this incident, it was assumed that players would act professionally in each match. Is it because there was no prize difference between 4th and 5th place? Is it becaues it's BO1 (it's not like this is new either)? Maybe it has been an issue and I've just never heard of it. On a side note, the apology is very well done if it is sincere. The format really is crap. And the reason it hasn't been made "public" before is that no shitstorm like the shitstorm that this became has happened before. I bet there has been plenty of matches that has been pointless, alot of them not being played because the players/admins talked and decided they didn't want to play it. The fact that this hasn't happened in korea before is because koreans have been scared shitless of the tyranny of kespa for so many years and they have seen the reprecautions of other peoples mistakes. Foreigners have not which meant this eventually had to happen because now everyone know that you can't do stuff you can normally because koreans have a totally different view on things. Hate to break your bubble swedish guy, but care to tell me what's the format of your country's football league? I'm sorry if you just found it out and got shocked. You mean the worst football league in the world? i have no idea... tell me a big sports league around the world that has absolutely no 'meaningless' games GOMTV. GSL. There are no meaningless games. And now you know. Unless you wanna try and probe rush again. See what happens.
If you use same professional standard that GOM uses, there are in fact many leauges around the world who have no meaningless game. so it is true.
if we go by, Naniwa fanbois argument, all the league around the world are flawed. So why pick on GOM and demand apology? since it is clear this is a format generally accepted as one of the best by many.
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On December 15 2011 07:15 Ghostface_Killa wrote:Great response from Quantic, but I doubt Naniwa actually believes anything he said in his apology. Just look at his Twitter; after apologizing he then re-tweets a quote from Idra saying that if you want your players to take things seriously, not to force them to play meaningless matches. Yeah, Nani is full of shit.
He tweeted that over a day ago. And besides, the retweet is completely in line with Naniwa's statements.
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On December 15 2011 07:04 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 06:56 nokz88 wrote:On December 15 2011 06:44 itsjustatank wrote:I don't see a reciprocal apology, or even an acknowledgement of their flawed format, in that statement. If anything that GOM statement sounds even more like a canned answer than Quantic's repsonse. On December 15 2011 06:55 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
Just read goms answer and got even more pissed. They refuse to say that they did anything wrong and that it was even a punishment at all. Bullshit. Own up to the fact that gom got pissed (understandable) and that nani got punished and its all good. Also do NOT bring up bullshit about a format change that supposedly happend now that no one in the community knew about. Even mlg said nani got a code s spot! ROFL apologise... FOR WHAT?! You remind me of a kid I knew who hated losing, and wouldn't ever acknowledge that he, and he alone was wrong. He would often say: "I'm sorry, but YOU WERE WRONG TOOOO!!!! I was wrong BUT YOU WERE WRONGER!!! I'VE APOLOGISED NOW IT'S YOUR TURN BITCH!" The format... is perfectly fine, get the fuck over it. There's only one wrong guy in this whole story, and he apparently issued an apology, so it's okay for now. You remind me of the kids that used to "tell" everyone about the rules of the game halfway into the game and then wonder why people got pissed. Nani acted like a stupid whiney child and gom punished him for it but they dont want to admit it because they know he didnt break any rules.
Made up in spot to try to make a valid point... and fails spectacularly. Nice try though.
He offended his opponent, the fans and the organizers. There IS in fact a rule against it.
Any more bullshit you want to spew? Maybe some "fact" you heard around the forums and you keep repeating to yourself and others forever as part of your puny argument? Please let me guess what you will come up with:
1. Not in the rules - refuted already
2. Format is bullshit - the format is fine. every league and their mother uses it. Swedish league uses it for gods sake.
3. ... I can't come up with any more bullshit arguments. please help me and I will try to explain to you, step by step, why it's bullshit
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