EPTI think he should challenge Nestea to a showmatch to settle the score.
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Hakanfrog
Sweden690 Posts
I think he should challenge Nestea to a showmatch to settle the score. | ||
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GeorgeForeman
United States1746 Posts
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Hamsterdam
New Zealand59 Posts
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Tx3Fate
United States15 Posts
One - I have no sympathy for Naniwa at all in this situation. People are blaming "korean culture and values" for gom's actions, but in any league on earth what Naniwa did would receive a lot of ton of negative attention, if not punishments from said league. Yes, in theory Naniwa didn't break any rules. But this is a televised match, in a hyped tournament, in the mecca of esports. It was a horrendously bad decision, and I would never, ever, ever do what he did if I were in his position. Neither would most professionals. If you condone behavior like this, I would have to think that you do not have the best interest of esports in mind. Don't forget that this isn't the first time Naniwa has been exceptionally bm. (correct me if i'm wrong) Didn't he have a terrible reputation in the Beta / early sc2 scene for being bad mannered? Hasn't Naniwa been disqualified or kicked out of at least 3 different stracraft 2 leagues? Was he not kicked out of his parents house? (reportedly for not being able to get along with his parents at all, not because he played wc3 too much) Why have so many teams tried to get rid of him? (yes, in all the official statements they throw around phrases like it was a "mutual decision" or that it was in the "player's and team's best interest." Those are PR statements. They are always going to say things like that, regardless of the actual reasons for dropping a player.) Two - People are blaming GOM for having a "terrible tournament format". Yet I fail to see what makes it so bad. This is a similar format to what is done in the World Cup. A similar format to what is done in tons of competitive ventures. Group play ensures that players get to play at least 4 games. It ensures that we get to see a variety of interesting matchups we would not see otherwise. And in the case of players who are on the brink of qualifying / elimination, it produces some very interesting and exciting situations. Yes, it can create scenarios where one or two players in the group are essentially eliminated, but I would rather have a system where at least we can see the greatest number of different player matchups as is reasonable. You also have to take into account players who are traveling for events like this (yes, i know they were all based in korea except for stephano, but this is a general statement), and I don't think it's right to have players spend all this money and effort to travel just to get knocked out of a single series. Would people rather just have a straight bracket, like the NASL finals? I hope not. Maybe a double elimination bracket would be more ideal, but with a select invite tournament like this, with a limited number of players and a static broadcasting schedule, I don't think that's the appropriate format either. tl;dr - I have no sympathy for naniwa, he's been doing stuff like this his whole career. And the gomtv format isn't all that bad. the players are the ones to blame here | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
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acrimoneyius
United States983 Posts
On December 15 2011 06:54 Mashmed wrote: Had he used a strategy he had worked on for weeks in that match... that strategy would be lost. All for a game that matters nothing, yes it matters not one single bit. You do not gain anything from winning that game since you cannot use your original strategy because that would be a waste. Why does he HAVE to use a tailored strategy? He clearly had a decision as is evident by sending his probes across the map and taking his hand off of the keyboard. Your argument is he had to use a prepared strategy.....I'll refrain from insulting your intelligence, as desperately as I want to right now. Starcraft is a game of decisions, and that's irrefutable. | ||
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Skyreaper
70 Posts
On December 15 2011 06:50 Paladia wrote: Interestingly enough they make things up, making me lose all respect for them. Naniwa earned a spot in Code S yet now they claim he didn't? Even the official website says he earned a code S spot. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/naniwas-ascension/ "Naniwa [..] earned a seat in Code S." There isn't an English version of the plan for upcoming 2012 GSL yet, but GomTV already posted an article about the revised format and new rule for 2012 GSL in Korean Website a few days before Blizzard Cup. It is stated that two sponsored players can compete Up/Down match to earn Code S. Link here(Kor) http://esports.gomtv.com/gsl/community/view.gom?mbid=1&msgid=24421&p=1 | ||
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Chenz
Sweden1197 Posts
On December 15 2011 06:53 Naniwa wrote: I can assure that i did indeed write everything. they only did spellchecking  thanks for alot of positive support. i will come back stronger !While your actions in the Blizzard Cup was quite disappointing, you're still a great player with impressive dedication. Hopefully you've learned enough from this to become the player you strive to be. | ||
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Mashmed
Sweden198 Posts
On December 15 2011 06:59 Loweryder wrote: I don't understand everyone's criticism of the tournament format... Group stages have been around seemingly forever, and several progamers (including Huk I believe) have expressed that it is their favourite type of tournament play, as it generally negates the occasional occurence of tournament favourites knocking each other out in the early rounds. It's not like GOMTV came up with this brand new, never-before-seen tournament format that just failed miserably... in that sense I'm not sure why GOMTV would have to apologize. Please let me know if I am missing something... the whole 'group stage format causes useless games' has never seemed to be an issue before this incident, it was assumed that players would act professionally in each match. Is it because there was no prize difference between 4th and 5th place? Is it becaues it's BO1 (it's not like this is new either)? Maybe it has been an issue and I've just never heard of it. On a side note, the apology is very well done if it is sincere. The format really is crap. And the reason it hasn't been made "public" before is that no shitstorm like the shitstorm that this became has happened before. I bet there has been plenty of matches that has been pointless, alot of them not being played because the players/admins talked and decided they didn't want to play it. The fact that this hasn't happened in korea before is because koreans have been scared shitless of the tyranny of kespa for so many years and they have seen the reprecautions of other peoples mistakes. Foreigners have not which meant this eventually had to happen because now everyone know that you can't do stuff you can normally because koreans have a totally different view on things. | ||
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fush
Canada563 Posts
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Deleted User 137586
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Boundz(DarKo)
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2715 Posts
On December 15 2011 06:56 nokz88 wrote: ROFL apologise... FOR WHAT?! You remind me of a kid I knew who hated losing, and wouldn't ever acknowledge that he, and he alone was wrong. He would often say: "I'm sorry, but YOU WERE WRONG TOOOO!!!! I was wrong BUT YOU WERE WRONGER!!! I'VE APOLOGISED NOW IT'S YOUR TURN BITCH!" The format... is perfectly fine, get the fuck over it. There's only one wrong guy in this whole story, and he apparently issued an apology, so it's okay for now. You remind me of the kids that used to "tell" everyone about the rules of the game halfway into the game and then wonder why people got pissed. Nani acted like a stupid whiney child and gom punished him for it but they dont want to admit it because they know he didnt break any rules. | ||
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TheAngryZergling
United States387 Posts
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RaKooNs
United Kingdom397 Posts
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LeIrAnEr
Germany13 Posts
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Hubris
United States113 Posts
On December 15 2011 06:50 PcH wrote: NaNiwa shouldn't have to apologize for shit. He played how he wanted to play and didn't break any rules. Scumbag GOM. Ya, how dare they kick him out of THEIR tourny. Good thing you're here to make sure Naniwa is defended from his OWN apology. | ||
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softan
Sweden113 Posts
On December 15 2011 06:46 Skyreaper wrote: If NaNiwa has the quality and skill to compete in Code S, then he would easily(?) win the final in Code A and earn Code S during Jan GSL. Hope to see new NaNiwa in GSL If you think Code S players "easily" beats the best Code A players or easily beats any Code A player for that matter then you should think again. There's not a big difference between the two. Players fall up and down between code S and code A all the time, the very best code S players have been code A and are likely to be code A again at some point. Take Leenck for example, he dropped out completely from code A in gsl may. Then able to return and make his way to code S. But in code S he lost to Genius and Rainbow then lost his up/down matches to Byun and then to LiveForever so he was back into code A. Now all of a sudden he wins code S. This is how to goes in starcraft 2 at the moment. There is no completely dominant player, everyone is very close in skill that includes code A players not only code S. We don't have a starcraft 2 Flash yet. | ||
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Zalithian
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Knullgubbe
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