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oban
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden18 Posts
December 14 2011 21:57 GMT
#361
Sad you have to suck up like this even though you did nothing wrong.

It's ok Nani, It doesn't matter if you fail once in a while. To me you'll always be the only Swede in SC2 with the eyes of a tiger.
munchmunch
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada789 Posts
December 14 2011 21:58 GMT
#362
That's a great apology. No reservations about being a Naniwa fan after that.
blinken
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada368 Posts
December 14 2011 21:58 GMT
#363
On December 15 2011 06:30 theBOOCH wrote:
Very nice, Quantic and Naniwa. Apology accepted.


Statements like this annoy me to no end. You imply he has wronged you, or that he owes you for something.

He owes you nothing.
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
December 14 2011 21:58 GMT
#364
NOTE: The words above were taken directly from NaNi through dictation, but were reviewed by an editor for grammer so long as those updates didn't change the meaning or the message as it was meant to be delivered. The final copy was proofed by NaNi before publication.


I chuckled to myself over this one.

Great statement by NaNiWa though, I had assumed one of the factors he took into account was the special build he prepared to use against NesTea, and I can understand why he wouldn't want to reveal that in a match that didn't count. I think NaNiWa has taken this very maturely, and it has been handled rather immaturely by the community as a whole in return.

Good luck in 2012 Naniwa!
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
rEpulse
Profile Joined July 2011
United States77 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 21:59:18
December 14 2011 21:58 GMT
#365
On December 15 2011 06:52 jinorazi wrote:
a mistake handled well, there really was no excuse like so many are trying to defend.
i'm very glad people defending naniwa and shit-talking gom are the minority

he will have more chances in the future at gsl.

good luck to all


I agree with this 100%

GOM did the right thing, and I don't think people should flame them for bringing the best matches to the viewers, and giving you what you paid for. GOM has a reputation to uphold which they worked extremely hard to get, and I don't see why they should allow someone to pretty much spit in there face, and the viewers who paid for season tickets/steaming.
“Education is the ability to listen to almost anything without losing your temper or your self-confidence.” - Robert Frost
Loweryder
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada11 Posts
December 14 2011 21:59 GMT
#366
On December 15 2011 06:18 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 06:15 m0ck wrote:
Well, pretty much a statement as expected. I hope tomorrow we see GOM being similar upfront about their responsibility for what took place. Bad tournament formats results in perverse incentives, and GOM should own up to that.

Yeah these are my thoughts as well. Naniwa's statement is really generous and respectful of GOM. I hope GOM has the sense to reciprocate.


I don't understand everyone's criticism of the tournament format... Group stages have been around seemingly forever, and several progamers (including Huk I believe) have expressed that it is their favourite type of tournament play, as it generally negates the occasional occurence of tournament favourites knocking each other out in the early rounds. It's not like GOMTV came up with this brand new, never-before-seen tournament format that just failed miserably... in that sense I'm not sure why GOMTV would have to apologize.

Please let me know if I am missing something... the whole 'group stage format causes useless games' has never seemed to be an issue before this incident, it was assumed that players would act professionally in each match. Is it because there was no prize difference between 4th and 5th place? Is it becaues it's BO1 (it's not like this is new either)? Maybe it has been an issue and I've just never heard of it.

On a side note, the apology is very well done if it is sincere.
Spuggi
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4 Posts
December 14 2011 21:59 GMT
#367
I´m very disappointed in GOM as well as like half of the Starcraft 2 Community.
I dont see where it should be Naniwas fault for not playing those games with all his heart.
There were other Tournaments where something like this already happened without the players being punished for it, and it should be clear that a player with a broken mindset after losing so many games doesnt play with all his effort in a "meaningless" game, and meaningless it was.
In my opinion its clearly a tournaments fault when there are games where the results doesnt effect the outcome of the tournament.
I also cant see why they make so much noise about this after the games were played, it should´ve been possible to message Naniwa between the games to say him what would happen if he goes on with it.
Daehlie
Profile Joined September 2010
United States43 Posts
December 14 2011 21:59 GMT
#368
While this will not save his seed from Code S for January, as that ship has sailed, but this will go a long way toward repairing his relations with the Korean scene. In a future season of the GSL if he were to earn another invitation, with this statement, GomTV would be able to invite him in the future once the cooler heads have prevailed. Entrance into GSL Jan was always out of the question, but this keeps NaNi from receiving a more serious long term exclusion from the GSL altogether. That exclusion would have hurt NaNi and Quantic both greatly.
SK.MC ftw
Neelia
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany599 Posts
December 14 2011 21:59 GMT
#369
On December 15 2011 06:38 Legio wrote:
Clearly, this is damage control written by some Quantic PR guy. Naniwas english isn't that good. However, the message is directed towards GSL and Korea.. I think Naniwa already knows that 95% of the western audience has his back on this issue.


Is it important whether he wrote it alone or got help by someone who does PR for a living? He's a gamer and not a professional writer. I'd consider asking for help for such an important statement as a smart move as this will probably translated to korean and stuff -_-. So better iron out any possible points of misunderstanding before releasing it.

What's important is that he'll act towards this apology and that's something only time can tell. Stop bashing him for no reason please -_- (not directed to legio but all the other posters who still flame him in this thread :/)
Moonalisa
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden15 Posts
December 14 2011 21:59 GMT
#370
Well, I believe this should be the end of the story and I hope we'll se lots of Naniwa in the future.
Samma som vanligt
Vari
Profile Joined September 2010
United States532 Posts
December 14 2011 22:00 GMT
#371
this is a perfect apology. I was bothered by what he did and spent last night arguing why it was wrong. To have him apologize and hit on every reason makes me really happy.
Stroke Me Lady Fame
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
December 14 2011 22:00 GMT
#372
I believe you will come back stronger Naniwa!
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
Yaki
Profile Joined April 2011
France4234 Posts
December 14 2011 22:00 GMT
#373
nice apology, it was well needed
MC ■ MarineKing ■ LosirA ■ To someone who has lost after trying his best, no words from the winner can console him.
Stress
Profile Joined February 2011
United States980 Posts
December 14 2011 22:00 GMT
#374
This whole thing is just silly. Nani and Quantic shouldn't have to apologize at all yet they go ahead and do it. On the other hand, GSL just released a statement that is completely false to what people were told in the past(about how Code S/A seeds were handed out). GSL hasn't admitted any fault of there own when they are partially to blame. Why do you create a tournament bracket/pool that can have the potential for pointless matches to take place, i.e. two 0-3 opponents facing each other?
"Touch my gosu hands." - Tastosis | | fOrGG // MC // Jaedong
wats0n
Profile Joined July 2011
United States509 Posts
December 14 2011 22:00 GMT
#375
On December 15 2011 06:54 Mashmed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 06:52 wats0n wrote:
On December 15 2011 06:22 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
On December 15 2011 06:19 twndomn wrote:
It's really a cultural gap. Not even IdrA would dare to do what Naniwa has done, while IN Korea. IdrA spent years in Korea to understand Korean culture (perhaps respect, status quo... etc) and then to get some respects from the Koreans. Naniwa has yet to do that.

I think it's a cultural gap both ways. I think if Sundance was in Mr. Chae's position, you'd see the league taking responsibility for the format and not punishing the player this harshly. Both parties have been disrespectful and acted inappropriately. One has apologized and taken responsibility and now the other ought to.


It's not a cultural gap. It's pretty universal.

All games in the GSL are meaningful. It wasn't a meaningless game. There's a reason why before every single GSL game they put the Win-Loss record of the player in the GSL on the screen. Every game matters. You're judged by your record.

Naniwa is what, 0-7 in the GSL now? You can't tell me that there's no difference between a player who is 10-20 in GSL games and one who is 15-5 (random numbers). Your record matters. It's your measure as a professional player.

Why do people keep acting like this game was meaningless? It wasn't a ladder game and it wasn't meaningless. It was a live studio game, there were a half dozen casters in two languages, a live audience, 100,000+ people in twelve different time zones, and he threw the game. Are you kidding me?

Had he used a strategy he had worked on for weeks in that match... that strategy would be lost. All for a game that matters nothing, yes it matters not one single bit. You do not gain anything from winning that game since you cannot use your original strategy because that would be a waste.


Had he used a strategy he would have won a live televised grudge match against the #2 GSL ranked player with everyone in Korea watching and 100,000+ people around the world.

Nani who says all he cares about is proving himself wouldn't agree with you. He had a chance to play NesTea live in the GSL and prove himself in the game he is passionate about. Who gives a fuck if there was no money involved? You're missing the point.
FlamingTurd
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1059 Posts
December 14 2011 22:00 GMT
#376
How many times must Naniwa apologize publicly? At this point I don't believe him anymore.
Nerf MMMT!!! Liquid`Ret Hwaiting!!!
Kira__
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2672 Posts
December 14 2011 22:00 GMT
#377
Well I guess that's it, naniwa realized he was wrong and appologized, now I hope his fans will do the same(not appologize, but realize)
The truth is, Yagami-kun, I suspect that you may in fact be Kira.
diophan
Profile Joined September 2011
United States1018 Posts
December 14 2011 22:01 GMT
#378
On December 15 2011 06:58 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
NOTE: The words above were taken directly from NaNi through dictation, but were reviewed by an editor for grammer so long as those updates didn't change the meaning or the message as it was meant to be delivered. The final copy was proofed by NaNi before publication.


I chuckled to myself over this one.

Great statement by NaNiWa though, I had assumed one of the factors he took into account was the special build he prepared to use against NesTea, and I can understand why he wouldn't want to reveal that in a match that didn't count. I think NaNiWa has taken this very maturely, and it has been handled rather immaturely by the community as a whole in return.

Good luck in 2012 Naniwa!


"Grammer" != spelling apparently
smallerk
Profile Joined October 2010
897 Posts
December 14 2011 22:01 GMT
#379
Quantic most classy organization in esports

Naniwa one step closer toward the most classy player in esports
Never Regret anything because at one time it was exactly what you wanted.
The Final Boss
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1839 Posts
December 14 2011 22:01 GMT
#380
One thing that I think really makes NaNiwa different from other notoriously BM/controversial players like MajOr is that after a big incident, he fesses up and he matures. NaNiwa has done a lot of things and pissed off a lot of people. But if you compare the NaNiwa of a year ago with the one today, he's gone miles. Certainly he still has some maturity issues, but he's growing. Just reading his statement, it sounded like he was very sorry and that he has been learning from his mistakes. I agree with GOM's punishment, but I hope that NaNiwa will continue to participate in the GSL.
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