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Quantic / NaNiwa Apologize to GOMTV / SC2Community - Page 17

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sekalf
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden522 Posts
December 14 2011 21:49 GMT
#321
tens of thousands (not counting the korean side) of people arguing and getting upset over such a small thing.. its actually pretty cool, just shows how huge esports is becoming
PcH
Profile Joined December 2010
United States83 Posts
December 14 2011 21:50 GMT
#322
NaNiwa shouldn't have to apologize for shit. He played how he wanted to play and didn't break any rules. Scumbag GOM.
twitch.tv/itspch
Oreo7
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1647 Posts
December 14 2011 21:50 GMT
#323
didnt sound like nani at all
Stork HerO and Protoss everywhere - redfive on bnet
Condor Hero
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2931 Posts
December 14 2011 21:50 GMT
#324
On December 15 2011 06:49 QxGRockEr wrote:
Complexity looking pretty smart at the moment

Yeah it gives room for their other top players to shine...
aderum
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden1459 Posts
December 14 2011 21:50 GMT
#325
<3
Crazy people dont sit around and wonder if they are insane
Paladia
Profile Joined August 2003
802 Posts
December 14 2011 21:50 GMT
#326
On December 15 2011 06:40 pookadin wrote:
http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=212470&cid=0&kind=8

GOMTV statement on Naniwa Incident

Interestingly enough they make things up, making me lose all respect for them. Naniwa earned a spot in Code S yet now they claim he didn't? Even the official website says he earned a code S spot.

http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/naniwas-ascension/

"Naniwa [..] earned a seat in Code S."
I can no longer rest under the tree of wisdom, since you have axed down the roots feeding it.
hazelynut
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2195 Posts
December 14 2011 21:51 GMT
#327
Well said~
Zerg | life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery | www.cstarleague.com <3
diophan
Profile Joined September 2011
United States1018 Posts
December 14 2011 21:51 GMT
#328
On December 15 2011 06:44 itsjustatank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 06:42 pookadin wrote:
http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=212470&cid=0&kind=8

GOMTV have released a statement on the Incident. Posted earlier but buried under the comments -_-


I don't see a reciprocal apology, or even an acknowledgement of their flawed format, in that statement. If anything that GOM statement sounds even more like a canned answer than Quantic's repsonse.


It's the end of the year tournament and people wanted to see everyone play each other, so it was a round robin tournament.

GOM is supposed to apologize that they made a format to give the fans what they wanted?
archonOOid
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1983 Posts
December 14 2011 21:51 GMT
#329
seems forced and written by a ghost writer (but rather sincere). It won't effect what happened and what consequences it had for naniwa. It would be awesome if GOM would forgive naniwa but they took action rather quickly so that's not an option.
I'm Quotable (IQ)
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
December 14 2011 21:52 GMT
#330
On December 15 2011 06:50 Paladia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 06:40 pookadin wrote:
http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=212470&cid=0&kind=8

GOMTV statement on Naniwa Incident

Interestingly enough they make things up, making me lose all respect for them. Naniwa earned a spot in Code S yet now they claim he didn't? Even the official website says he earned a code S spot.

http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/naniwas-ascension/

"Naniwa [..] earned a seat in Code S."


That's MLG's website, not GOM's.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
acrimoneyius
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States983 Posts
December 14 2011 21:52 GMT
#331
I'm okay with an apology from Naniwa. What I'm not okay with is this bullshit about instantly becoming a more mature person with a renewed outlook on what the game means to the fans. I'm sorry, but it takes more than 2 days to reflect on something of this philosophical nature and have a change of heart.

He's made it clear time and time again that he only cares about winning, why should that suddenly change when the community shits on him for giving up a match that he knew the community wanted to see. I can't see how you could argue one being oblivious to this fact, given the nature of crowd reactions at MLG to his matches against Nestea and the atmosphere of an invitational, (which is the most ideal fan-catered tournament).

I hope he makes better decisions in the future, but I'm not banking on it. Not a fan.



mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
December 14 2011 21:52 GMT
#332
kid worked hard and now has to do it all again, hope he comes back into code S and crushes some noobs
wats0n
Profile Joined July 2011
United States509 Posts
December 14 2011 21:52 GMT
#333
On December 15 2011 06:22 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 06:19 twndomn wrote:
It's really a cultural gap. Not even IdrA would dare to do what Naniwa has done, while IN Korea. IdrA spent years in Korea to understand Korean culture (perhaps respect, status quo... etc) and then to get some respects from the Koreans. Naniwa has yet to do that.

I think it's a cultural gap both ways. I think if Sundance was in Mr. Chae's position, you'd see the league taking responsibility for the format and not punishing the player this harshly. Both parties have been disrespectful and acted inappropriately. One has apologized and taken responsibility and now the other ought to.


It's not a cultural gap. It's pretty universal.

All games in the GSL are meaningful. It wasn't a meaningless game. There's a reason why before every single GSL game they put the Win-Loss record of the player in the GSL on the screen. Every game matters. You're judged by your record.

Naniwa is what, 0-7 in the GSL now? You can't tell me that there's no difference between a player who is 10-20 in GSL games and one who is 15-5 (random numbers). Your record matters. It's your measure as a professional player.

Why do people keep acting like this game was meaningless? It wasn't a ladder game and it wasn't meaningless. It was a live studio game, there were a half dozen casters in two languages, a live audience, 100,000+ people in twelve different time zones, and he threw the game. Are you kidding me?
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 21:56:01
December 14 2011 21:52 GMT
#334
a mistake handled well, there really was no excuse like so many are trying to defend.
i'm very glad people defending naniwa and shit-talking gom are the minority

he will have more chances in the future at gsl.

good luck to all

note: i'm not 100% on the format but i assume its a single elimination pool play, similar to world cup.
there's no problem with this format. it can leave "meaningless" games but it can also build up pressure depending on the win/loss distribution. in the end, players play representing their team, sponsor, country and do your best out of respect regardless of the circumstances. doing other wise is what caused this drama in the first place.
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Trusty
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand520 Posts
December 14 2011 21:52 GMT
#335
Good statement.

I now have some empathy for Nani...

Always one of my favourite players, it hurt alot to see him do that to NesTea
Naniwa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Sweden477 Posts
December 14 2011 21:53 GMT
#336
I can assure that i did indeed write everything. they only did spellchecking thanks for alot of positive support. i will come back stronger !
Progamer
itsjustatank
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Hong Kong9157 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 21:54:32
December 14 2011 21:53 GMT
#337
On December 15 2011 06:52 Dexington wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 06:50 Paladia wrote:
On December 15 2011 06:40 pookadin wrote:
http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=212470&cid=0&kind=8

GOMTV statement on Naniwa Incident

Interestingly enough they make things up, making me lose all respect for them. Naniwa earned a spot in Code S yet now they claim he didn't? Even the official website says he earned a code S spot.

http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/naniwas-ascension/

"Naniwa [..] earned a seat in Code S."


That's MLG's website, not GOM's.


MLG happened to be in a partnership agreement with GOM, and because you don't legally unilaterally change the terms of an agreement without prior consultation and consent either something improper happened in regards to seeds or this was agreed upon much later and not communicated in full to the community.

On December 15 2011 06:53 Naniwa wrote:
I can assure that i did indeed write everything. they only did spellchecking thanks for alot of positive support. i will come back stronger !


Much love and support to you nani! Nice to see the hate train hasn't brought you down.
Photographer"nosotros estamos backamos" - setsuko
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
December 14 2011 21:53 GMT
#338
Welp that settles this.

Still people will argue and dicuss because they like their manufactured drama
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
Keone
Profile Joined April 2011
United States812 Posts
December 14 2011 21:54 GMT
#339
Great response from Naniwa. I think if he had issued this statement a few hours ago, even Mr. Chae and the GOM crew would have easily forgiven him and given his spot back. Unfortunately I think they weren't happy with his original response (which was basically Naniwa defending his actions) which is why they went forward so quickly to give his spot in Code S away.

I don't know how much of that statement was forced by Quantic for Naniwa to say, and I do believe both Quantic and Naniwa are bending over backwards and shouldn't have to go THIS far, but they definitely made the SMART decision. This should quell any problems in the future, and if not, well I don't understand why not.
BW Forever. Flash is the Ultimate Bonjwa.
Mashmed
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden198 Posts
December 14 2011 21:54 GMT
#340
On December 15 2011 06:52 wats0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 06:22 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
On December 15 2011 06:19 twndomn wrote:
It's really a cultural gap. Not even IdrA would dare to do what Naniwa has done, while IN Korea. IdrA spent years in Korea to understand Korean culture (perhaps respect, status quo... etc) and then to get some respects from the Koreans. Naniwa has yet to do that.

I think it's a cultural gap both ways. I think if Sundance was in Mr. Chae's position, you'd see the league taking responsibility for the format and not punishing the player this harshly. Both parties have been disrespectful and acted inappropriately. One has apologized and taken responsibility and now the other ought to.


It's not a cultural gap. It's pretty universal.

All games in the GSL are meaningful. It wasn't a meaningless game. There's a reason why before every single GSL game they put the Win-Loss record of the player in the GSL on the screen. Every game matters. You're judged by your record.

Naniwa is what, 0-7 in the GSL now? You can't tell me that there's no difference between a player who is 10-20 in GSL games and one who is 15-5 (random numbers). Your record matters. It's your measure as a professional player.

Why do people keep acting like this game was meaningless? It wasn't a ladder game and it wasn't meaningless. It was a live studio game, there were a half dozen casters in two languages, a live audience, 100,000+ people in twelve different time zones, and he threw the game. Are you kidding me?

Had he used a strategy he had worked on for weeks in that match... that strategy would be lost. All for a game that matters nothing, yes it matters not one single bit. You do not gain anything from winning that game since you cannot use your original strategy because that would be a waste.
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