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Gesh
Profile Joined November 2010
Bulgaria69 Posts
December 14 2011 21:41 GMT
#281
Nice statement. Revoking his Code S seed was too much, in my opinion.
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10665 Posts
December 14 2011 21:41 GMT
#282
On December 15 2011 06:39 niteReloaded wrote:
Naniwa certainly didn't write that, but I hope he at least agrees with the core message.


Judging by Naniwas past.. he doesn't.
nokz88
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil1253 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 21:43:04
December 14 2011 21:41 GMT
#283
On December 15 2011 06:24 Ashenshugar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 06:19 Roggay wrote:
On December 15 2011 06:18 Ashenshugar wrote:
On December 15 2011 06:08 LiamTheZerg wrote:
I respect the team, but have lost any respect to Naniwa or his cut & paste apology. Being an adult and a professional means being able to control yourself, which is something he has failed to show he is capable of time and time again. Also, i dislike the asking to reconsider for a second chance. He openly disrespected GOM during a tournament that was meant to celebrate a great year of StarCraft. It's only a month, he can and should wait. I don't understand where everyone gets this sense of entitlement from. You mess up, you accept your punishment, and you learn from it for next time.


Gom didn't man up & take the blame & you're not criticizing that.. They didn't even apologize to the fans for the horrible tournament format that allowed this to happen - Naniwa did man up & apologize. If you read his statement you can see he's genuinely confused about this situation.

Silly bias is silly..

You sir are as biased as him...


How?

Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 06:19 JoeSchmoe wrote:
On December 15 2011 06:18 Ashenshugar wrote:
On December 15 2011 06:08 LiamTheZerg wrote:
I respect the team, but have lost any respect to Naniwa or his cut & paste apology. Being an adult and a professional means being able to control yourself, which is something he has failed to show he is capable of time and time again. Also, i dislike the asking to reconsider for a second chance. He openly disrespected GOM during a tournament that was meant to celebrate a great year of StarCraft. It's only a month, he can and should wait. I don't understand where everyone gets this sense of entitlement from. You mess up, you accept your punishment, and you learn from it for next time.


Gom didn't man up & take the blame & you're not criticizing that.. They didn't even apologize to the fans for the horrible tournament format that allowed this to happen - Naniwa did man up & apologize. If you read his statement you can see he's genuinely confused about this situation.

Silly bias is silly..


because GOM didn't do anything wrong and have nothing to apologize for? don't like the format? don't accept the invitation and play in their tournament.


Naniwa had no obligation to do no more than a probe rush.. He did what he was there to do no more & no less. Naniwa technically did nothing wrong - anyone uncapable of seeing this need to watch SOTG & see liquid tyler spitting truth..
The summery of it being he didn't do what was right for anyone but he did fulfill his obligation to the tournament. And if Gom wants more than that they need to make rules to support that.

...and we've got one of those Tyler's minions over here, great. I love how he makes a looong point about the supposedly broken format, and says nothing about Naniwa's behavior. I guess he approves it, and that tells me a lot about his pro mentality.

1. Naniwa's behavior
2. Blizzard cup's supposedly flawed format

Which is the more deserving of frowning and reprehension? 1 or 2? I would like to hear your answer.

If your answer is 2, the format is to blame more than Naniwa, then this discussion is pointless, because clearly we've got insurmontable differences.

btw, if Naniwa truly means this apology, then I feel better. Let's see if he really does.
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JoeAWESOME
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden1080 Posts
December 14 2011 21:41 GMT
#284
Awesome. Hopefully this doesent affect naniwa too much in the future!

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epb1982
Profile Joined August 2011
29 Posts
December 14 2011 21:41 GMT
#285
If Gom doesnt get relaxed and get their stick out of their asses after this, then it is the beginning of the end for foreign players to decide to spent their career in Korean....

WTF GOM, if oGsMC pulled this at NASL, they would laugh at it... drop the ''this is a great pro-attitude'' and let player behave unprofessional, let the community decide what is BM and what not... GOM DROPS NANI, I DROP GOM
grobo
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Japan6199 Posts
December 14 2011 21:41 GMT
#286
Sooo many 1 post throwaway accounts crawling out of the woodwork to hate on him even after they issued an apology.
We make signature, then defense it.
Ollie
Profile Joined October 2011
United States144 Posts
December 14 2011 21:42 GMT
#287
Great apology. Can we all just get over this and forgive the poor guy now? He received a huge amount of backlash from a lot of people involved with SC2. On top of that, he lost his Code S spot, which he rightly deserved, and now people are still on his back.

I agree with what GomTV did, but I feel really bad for Naniwa.
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Actuarial
Profile Joined February 2011
United States18 Posts
December 14 2011 21:42 GMT
#288
Excellent statement. I hope it is sincere. He is a superb player and I would like to see more of him in GSL.
sopas
Profile Joined July 2011
509 Posts
December 14 2011 21:42 GMT
#289
On December 15 2011 06:39 niteReloaded wrote:
Naniwa certainly didn't write that, but I hope he at least agrees with the core message.

it's not hard to write something you don't believe in urself. not saying he doesn't i mean he's trying to be a pro gamer and all. so he kind of has to do what the ppl want
ES.Genie
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1370 Posts
December 14 2011 21:42 GMT
#290

Naniwa didn't cheese, he did something that he knew had a 0% of winning. When people cheese, they do it because they have a chance to win. Nani admitted he didn't try. If you don't like the punishment, fine, but don't pretend like what Nani did was a legitimate try. Just look at the VOD.

I never said that it was a legitiamate try and it really doesnt matter if he had a chance of winning. He played the game, he lost. Nothing special about it. People workerrushed before and they will do it in the future and no one will give a fck. All this drama is just because its Nani who did it.
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pookadin
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia422 Posts
December 14 2011 21:42 GMT
#291
http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=212470&cid=0&kind=8

GOMTV have released a statement on the Incident. Posted earlier but buried under the comments -_-
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zezamer
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland5701 Posts
December 14 2011 21:42 GMT
#292
QxG has really good publicist.
Codre
Profile Joined August 2011
Romania3 Posts
December 14 2011 21:43 GMT
#293
what did he do ?
Bulkers
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland509 Posts
December 14 2011 21:43 GMT
#294
Public relation tricks Anyways nothing is changed Naniwa is having reputation and will not change anytime soon, he got punished and its probably not the last time...
pigscanfly
Profile Joined April 2010
Singapore147 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 21:44:48
December 14 2011 21:43 GMT
#295
On December 15 2011 06:42 pookadin wrote:
http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=212470&cid=0&kind=8


needs to be stickied.
iloveav
Profile Joined November 2008
Poland1478 Posts
December 14 2011 21:44 GMT
#296
On December 15 2011 06:30 chadissilent wrote:
That apology wasn't written by NaNiwa, Quantic PR wrote it up for him.


Probably :D.

I dont care much in fact, Naniwa will have now his own shitstorm to walk in from quantic, but he earned it in a way. Im quite sure that Quantic contract has some sort of a statement saying "When you play for us you represent the team and have to behave accordingly".

aka LRM)Cats_Paw.
itsjustatank
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Hong Kong9152 Posts
December 14 2011 21:44 GMT
#297
On December 15 2011 06:42 pookadin wrote:
http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=212470&cid=0&kind=8

GOMTV have released a statement on the Incident. Posted earlier but buried under the comments -_-


I don't see a reciprocal apology, or even an acknowledgement of their flawed format, in that statement. If anything that GOM statement sounds even more like a canned answer than Quantic's repsonse.
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jhk0219
Profile Joined March 2011
United States189 Posts
December 14 2011 21:44 GMT
#298
On December 15 2011 06:22 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 06:19 twndomn wrote:
It's really a cultural gap. Not even IdrA would dare to do what Naniwa has done, while IN Korea. IdrA spent years in Korea to understand Korean culture (perhaps respect, status quo... etc) and then to get some respects from the Koreans. Naniwa has yet to do that.

I think it's a cultural gap both ways. I think if Sundance was in Mr. Chae's position, you'd see the league taking responsibility for the format and not punishing the player this harshly. Both parties have been disrespectful and acted inappropriately. One has apologized and taken responsibility and now the other ought to.


I don't think cultural gap should ever be used as an excuse for disrespectful behavior. There really is nothing disrespectful about GOM's decision on this matter. There are terms and conditions in a contract that's expected of every player participating in the tournament, and Naniwa violated it. It has every right to revoke the player of his opportunity to participate.

You yourself are a professional gamer, and you know how many hours you have to put into practicing in order to be prepared for a tournament. I understand if a player is shaken after a loss, or a series of losses, because it's something they really want to achieve. This still doesn't excuse Naniwa from discrediting Nestea's efforts by simply tossing the next game. If you've worked really hard for something in your life, you want the competition and you want to prove to yourself that you can best it. There's nothing more discouraging than an opponent who doesn't care. If the professional members of the e-sports community are playing only for the money, how can we ever expect e-sports to gain the same recognition as other sports?
Corsica
Profile Joined February 2011
Ukraine1854 Posts
December 14 2011 21:44 GMT
#299
On December 15 2011 06:35 KalWarkov wrote:
Naniwa just co-casts with khaldor, he doesnt seem to be too mad

€: great statements, seems to be alright now. What bothers me more is that idra and sen get free code S spot for technically nothing (i dont say they are bad or they had bad results at all, especially sen deserves it. but what qualifies idra over stephano for expample?). It feels like a christmas present :/


Stephano doesnt want to partcipate in gsl. I would like to see him myself.
GodZo
Profile Joined November 2011
Italy224 Posts
December 14 2011 21:44 GMT
#300
Too bad decision by GOM TV.

Good Luck Naniwa for next tournaments.
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