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On December 11 2011 02:31 Sarang wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 02:27 Gevna wrote:On December 11 2011 02:24 GreEny K wrote:On December 11 2011 02:22 jj33 wrote:
korean pros don't take ladder seriously.
they use it to practice random stuff.
Stephano is talented yes, but so are many other pros, he's not the best player in the world.
Nobody is a super clear best in the world in sc2. that's reserved truly dominant players like flash/jd. MVP and Nestea... Best in the world, I think anyone will agree. Not really MVP is of course one of the best but there is still none 'best player in the world" in sc2. You can't lose against Haypro, or leenock and being the best. I didn't follow Brood War. But you can't seriously tell me that Flash, in his prime, never lost to an inferior opponent? A player doesn't have to be super dominant to be the best. He just needs to be better than everyone else. Also the fact that you would use Leenock as an example of a bad player proves you have no idea what you're talking about.
there is no super dominant player in sc2 yet.
that's the point. MVp and nestea and some others are the best at the moment sure. but not one or two players are ultra dominant like flash/jd/bisu.
I also find Leenock's talent and play more impressive than Stephano.
Leenocks run through MLG was more impressive than anything stephano has done.
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even as a very big stephano fan this thread seems so useless. I dont know blog/fanclub stuff in my opinion.
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On December 11 2011 02:45 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote + Speed up to the actual tournament. Korean Code S players are suddenly rolled by this French Zerg, and I said rolled. Not just because he had a weird infestor plus really highly upgraded lings combo against Terran, but also because he played a weird style of ZvP that either outright killed Protosses or slowly constricted them until Broodlords make players like EG_Incontrol cry about how sad his race was. ZvZ was equally as impressive for not only me, but anyone watching him.
Stephano went on to win that tournament, and not without some insane memories like the Mothership vortex by Kiwkaki on Shattered Temple. At the end of it call Stephano decisively eliminated the following Koreans from his path:
FXO_Lucky (4-0 in the finals)
Ogs_TheSTC
FXO_Inori
MVP_Violet
Slayers_Boxer
Slayers_MMA
This french Zerg, who had been dominating EU ladder and even placed #1, was unbeknowst by other pro players. EG_Incontrol even admitted he had no idea who this guy was, although he crashed through waves of Code S korean players and made his wins look so convincing. The only Code S player in that list is MMA and Stephano didn't beat him at the LAN, but at the online qualifiers for the LAN, which for MMA was played at something like 6 AM, at which point MMA had already qualified for the tournament after staying up all night playing qualifiers, the last of which being a very long and difficult series against July which he won with a comeback. And Stephano didn't roll him, he won 2-1. Btw, Stephano did play a Code S Korean in the LAN, he played alive and got rolled 2-0 in the group stages...
thank you sir for having some sense
I'm going to list 5 players that are better than Stephano, and I don't need evidence to back this up
Mvp
NesTea
Leenock
MMA
Jjakji
I could go on, but I feel this thread should have already been closed.
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I did not follow the BW scene as much as I did follow the WC3 scene, and let me tell you, over the years there came and went players who at the time looked like they were the best player in the world, hands down.
People figured out how to beat their strategies, they disappeared shortly after.
I think it's the same deal here, Stephano has his own style, once it's figured out, I don't think he will be in the position he is in now.
I'd love it if he prooved me wrong, but I doubt it.
Check this topic again in 6 months and we'll see if he's still up there.
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Everytime someone bumps one of stephanos hype threads it makes me angry that he won IPL3 cause Inori outplayed him so badly in g2 but it didn't matter thanks to zerg mechanics. :[
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On December 11 2011 02:54 BlondeOna wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 02:45 sitromit wrote: Speed up to the actual tournament. Korean Code S players are suddenly rolled by this French Zerg, and I said rolled. Not just because he had a weird infestor plus really highly upgraded lings combo against Terran, but also because he played a weird style of ZvP that either outright killed Protosses or slowly constricted them until Broodlords make players like EG_Incontrol cry about how sad his race was. ZvZ was equally as impressive for not only me, but anyone watching him.
Stephano went on to win that tournament, and not without some insane memories like the Mothership vortex by Kiwkaki on Shattered Temple. At the end of it call Stephano decisively eliminated the following Koreans from his path:
FXO_Lucky (4-0 in the finals)
Ogs_TheSTC
FXO_Inori
MVP_Violet
Slayers_Boxer
Slayers_MMA
This french Zerg, who had been dominating EU ladder and even placed #1, was unbeknowst by other pro players. EG_Incontrol even admitted he had no idea who this guy was, although he crashed through waves of Code S korean players and made his wins look so convincing. The only Code S player in that list is MMA and Stephano didn't beat him at the LAN, but at the online qualifiers for the LAN, which for MMA was played at something like 6 AM, at which point MMA had already qualified for the tournament after staying up all night playing qualifiers, the last of which being a very long and difficult series against July which he won with a comeback. And Stephano didn't roll him, he won 2-1. Btw, Stephano did play a Code S Korean in the LAN, he played alive and got rolled 2-0 in the group stages... thank you sir for having some sense I'm going to list 5 players that are better than Stephano, and I don't need evidence to back this up Mvp NesTea Leenock MMA Jjakji I could go on, but I feel this thread should have already been closed.
Why should this thread be closed? Agreed that it is pretty bad, yet I prefer this thread over the thousand and one "why *some broodwar pro who noone has ever seen playing starcraft2* would be the best in starcraft2".
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On December 11 2011 02:29 Veclada wrote:
He got outmacroed by Boxer at MLG, manhandled by sheth in ZvZ at DHW and went 1-6 in his grp at the same event. He isent untouchable
this... best player in the world going 1-6 in his group? Guess second place must never pass group stage for sure then
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i kind of feel that the korean ladder just wasnt ready for his playstyle similar to how destiny does so well against koreans who dont know who he is. he has shown some impressive play and good tournament results. i'll reserve judgment until i see him play in tournaments as a known player that people prepare for.
best player in the world though? give me a break. maybe best untested player from europe.
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Stephano has absurd talent but I don't see him using it optimally like the real "best players in the world". He sure has the potential to be best in the world, but he isn't right now. Not at all.
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Stopped reading after the title. you cant prove such a thing. you just cant.Leave korea outside your ranks and rephrase the title cause its hallucinating.
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On December 11 2011 02:38 MonkSEA wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 02:32 canikizu wrote:On December 11 2011 02:27 Jackle wrote:On December 11 2011 01:56 LiquidFahq wrote:
At the end of it call Stephano decisively eliminated the following Koreans from his path:
FXO_Lucky (4-0 in the finals)
Ogs_TheSTC
FXO_Inori
MVP_Violet
Slayers_Boxer
Slayers_MMA
Huh? Stephano beat KiwiKaki, Violet (Code A), Inori (Code B), TheSTC(Code B) and Lucky (Code A). And didn't theStC 2-0 Stephano back in MLG one week or couple after? The oGs coach told StC how to beat Stephano. I think that this alone solidifies what IdrA and a few others have said: Once people figure out Stephano's style, he won't be as successful as he is.
Yeah that's what I thought too. Stephano's play is so one dimensional. I'm not saying he doesn't know any other strategies and stuff, but those strat are much weaker and in the end he will end up transitioning to his usual styles, which can be countered if you take time to study them
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Good article, but a little hopeful. He's posted a few good tourney results but we have yet to see if he can keep up with the metagame shift. Often players understand where the metagame is going sooner than others and look really dominant, but only to fall 3 months later because they can't keep up with other players or refuse to change their style.
As far as I can tell he never met MMA in the IPL3.
Side-note: I really can't be a fan of him after the compLexity-Millenium debacle. It was really unacceptable what he did.
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On December 11 2011 02:57 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 02:54 BlondeOna wrote:On December 11 2011 02:45 sitromit wrote: Speed up to the actual tournament. Korean Code S players are suddenly rolled by this French Zerg, and I said rolled. Not just because he had a weird infestor plus really highly upgraded lings combo against Terran, but also because he played a weird style of ZvP that either outright killed Protosses or slowly constricted them until Broodlords make players like EG_Incontrol cry about how sad his race was. ZvZ was equally as impressive for not only me, but anyone watching him.
Stephano went on to win that tournament, and not without some insane memories like the Mothership vortex by Kiwkaki on Shattered Temple. At the end of it call Stephano decisively eliminated the following Koreans from his path:
FXO_Lucky (4-0 in the finals)
Ogs_TheSTC
FXO_Inori
MVP_Violet
Slayers_Boxer
Slayers_MMA
This french Zerg, who had been dominating EU ladder and even placed #1, was unbeknowst by other pro players. EG_Incontrol even admitted he had no idea who this guy was, although he crashed through waves of Code S korean players and made his wins look so convincing. The only Code S player in that list is MMA and Stephano didn't beat him at the LAN, but at the online qualifiers for the LAN, which for MMA was played at something like 6 AM, at which point MMA had already qualified for the tournament after staying up all night playing qualifiers, the last of which being a very long and difficult series against July which he won with a comeback. And Stephano didn't roll him, he won 2-1. Btw, Stephano did play a Code S Korean in the LAN, he played alive and got rolled 2-0 in the group stages... thank you sir for having some sense I'm going to list 5 players that are better than Stephano, and I don't need evidence to back this up Mvp NesTea Leenock MMA Jjakji I could go on, but I feel this thread should have already been closed. Why should this thread be closed? Agreed that it is pretty bad, yet I prefer this thread over the thousand and one "why *some broodwar pro who noone has ever seen playing starcraft2* would be the best in starcraft2".
I agree, all threads like this should be closed.
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I think you missed the bandwagon by about 2 months
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On December 11 2011 02:57 Neelia wrote:
Everytime someone bumps one of stephanos hype threads it makes me angry that he won IPL3 cause Inori outplayed him so badly in g2 but it didn't matter thanks to zerg mechanics. :[
I can't remember the last time I've seen a Toss player "completely outplay" a Zerg player, and the Zerg wins due to "Zerg mechanics".
Cleverly hidden balance whine right here.
This thread is hilarious just reading people's responses that actually seriously think Stephano is the best in the world.
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On December 11 2011 02:08 Jeremyy wrote:
'War3 pro' is a bit much, he was pretty mediocre.
top 15 europe at the age of 15. yeah, mediocre.
Why this thread isnt useful / accurate:
1) Hate
2) Koreans
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This is almost as funny as that post by the lawyer. You (the op) seem to have a case of "Eternal Sunshine of the spotless mind", where you only seem to remember the good parts of the past. You're also wrong about a number of things (July as bonjwa, all those code s players). Overall, I would give this blog a 2/5, good try.
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On December 11 2011 01:56 LiquidFahq wrote:
Stephano has more talent than anyone in the world.
Speak not such blasphemies, infidel, for our God is a vengeful God, and he sees all.
+ Show Spoiler +
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Stephano is good but he is not the best in the world. I know people like to bring up stephanos high win rate ladder run but MVP did the same thing on the NA server with a 110-2 record (i think. it was really close to that anyway). Stephano is good and he might be the best one day but as of right now there are better players. I don't think he's the best foreigner, either.
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On December 11 2011 03:00 Flonomenalz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 02:57 Neelia wrote:
Everytime someone bumps one of stephanos hype threads it makes me angry that he won IPL3 cause Inori outplayed him so badly in g2 but it didn't matter thanks to zerg mechanics. :[ I can't remember the last time I've seen a Toss player "completely outplay" a Zerg player, and the Zerg wins due to "Zerg mechanics". Cleverly hidden balance whine right here. This thread is hilarious just reading people's responses that actually seriously think Stephano is the best in the world.
there is none except op lol
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