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Why I Think Stephano is a Really Good SC2 Player

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LiquidFahq
Profile Joined January 2011
United States34 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 22:10:11
December 10 2011 16:56 GMT
#1
After a year of the release of Starcraft 2 players have swiftly risen to fame and others have fallen just as quickly as equally. From the beginning of the game is was a pre-conceived notion that the ex- Broodwar pros would simply dominate. Players who were not that successful in Broodwar such as IM_Nestea (Zergbong) and IM_MVP rose to the top to win GSL championships and without a doubt be considered the best players in the world.

So a Broodwar background did help, although bonjwas and legends such as Nada, July, and Boxer did not live up to their foreclaimed glory.


The Korea Model

Another factor of success that was apparent from the beginning was that Korea was the place to train. Foreigners that traveled there and practiced showed that despite the majority of tournaments being located in the West, it was no way to compete. A Korean team house was the best way to better yourself as a Starcraft 2 pro and dominate competition when you return (EG_Idra)

But if the majority of tournaments were located in the East, why couldn't we keep up? We would often hear from casters and players that NA players (and EU) were lazy. Pro players with "loads of talent" who did not practice ended up showing disappointing results, (cough cough Tyler cough cough three hours a day). The effort our foreigner players were putting in simply could not compete with the traditional 11 hour a day practice schedules for Koreans.



Foreigner Hope

The only real foreigner hope after Jinro seemed to hit a huge slump after a RO8 run was once again, EG_Idra. Showing he could not only compete with the best of the best in Code S but also dominate the *best player in the world TSL_Clide*. However, in the middle of a deep Code S run Idra forfeited his spot and returned to the U.S because he felt that is where the large majority of tournaments would be (NASL was up-and-coming then) and that a power shift was likely to occur very soon between the East and the West.

EG even set up a team house and by the end of the NASL acquired Puma. The best way to compete with the Koreans would to start a team house with a Korean. This would surely even the playing field as it fix not only the laziness of NA pro players but also the lack of good practice partners.

Of course, Idra, with a team house to practice in, dominated every U.S. tournament he was in. As expected they weren't even close as he claimed tournament win after tournament win. The rest of the EG house demonstrated how the the team house would indeed be the second best way to improve besides and actual Korean team house. EG_Incontrol finally posted his first top 8 MLG performance since Dallas, and EG_Machine, EG_Axslav showed impressin....

Okay I can't do this anymore. None of that happened. As sure as all of us were that it would happen and that we wanted it to happen it didn't. Only Huk and Puma posted super-impressive results for EG, and Puma had just left Korea while Huk was actually living there. Idra didn't completely fluke, and won tournaments such as IEM China, he was a major disappointment considering his expectations to be the best foreigner in the world. The rest of EG did not show live up to expectations after the team house, showing little, if any, significant improvement



Korean Domination

Despite attempts by foreign players every MLG was demonstrative as how large the skill gap between foreigners and Koreans. (Why do we call ourselves foreigners that weird, bro) A b-teamer, Puma demonstrated that even players that weren't in Code S or Code A would squash just about every top foreigner. That make the Code S players even scarier.
The top 8 of every MLG was dominated by Koreans and so was every foreigner tournament with Korean invites. As much as the Teamliquid and foreigner community wanted foreigners to show that the skill level had been reset from Broodwar, we were all slowly accepting that this wasn't true. And then something happened that shocked all of us out of our comatose states, made us drop the big spoons of double chocolate fudge ice cream that we were eating straight from the container as we cried over Slayers players blue flaming their way to yet another MLG victory as foreigners sat on the sideline and watched.




IGN 3: Origins

What the Fahq,Fahq? This thread is about Stephano and you haven't even mentioned the guy at all after what seems like a SC2 history of why Koreans are so much better than us. Fahq off, I'm gonna go read about how Huk won two MLGs and Naniwa is getting nerd raged for his switch the Quantic Incredible Miracle, whoosps I mean Quantic Gaming (that didn't last long did it?) I came here because I'm a huge Stephano fan boy, and or you have a catchy title what is this crap?

Okay, okay I'll get it to it. IPL 3 first LAN for ign, great that there are huge tournaments popping up all the time blah, blah, blah. Predictions about who is going to win is another Korean. Those of us watching were surprised to see players like MarineKing get upset by this kid called Stephano. He was a french dude who streamed EU ladder a couple days a week. However, there were a lot of interesting qualifying games and most people still did not know who this kid was. Speed up to the actual tournament. Korean Code S players are suddenly rolled by this French Zerg, and I said rolled. Not just because he had a weird infestor plus really highly upgraded lings combo against Terran, but also because he played a weird style of ZvP that either outright killed Protosses or slowly constricted them until Broodlords make players like EG_Incontrol cry about how sad his race was. ZvZ was equally as impressive for not only me, but anyone watching him.

Stephano went on to win that tournament, and not without some insane memories like the Mothership vortex by Kiwkaki on Shattered Temple. At the end of it call Stephano decisively eliminated the following Koreans from his path:
FXO_Lucky (4-0 in the finals)
Ogs_TheSTC
FXO_Inori
MVP_Violet
Slayers_Boxer
Slayers_MMA


This french Zerg, who had been dominating EU ladder and even placed #1, was unbeknowst by other pro players. EG_Incontrol even admitted he had no idea who this guy was, although he crashed through waves of Code S korean players and made his wins look so convincing.





The Shock
Stephano said at IPL 3 that he ladders three hours a day. And then doesn't play anymore. He didn't live in a team house, he didn't practice custom games all day, he laddered for a couple hours each day while studying at university. He was an old Warcraft 3 pro. They're not supposed to be good at SC2. (Whoops, what happened with Naniwa and secretly Moon?) The pink power ranger defied all pre-conceived notions about what was necessary to be successful in SC2. It just didn't make sense that someone who only plays three hours a day crushed so many good players. It had to be a fluke.



It Wasn't
Stephano has more talent than anyone in the world. A recent post mentioned his amazing ladder run with around a 80% winrate. What will be even more scary for everyone else is that now Stephano can practice full time. He has moved to Korea with the Ogs house and has been dominating. In around 100 games Stephano reaches top 35 on the Korean ladder (4 days). I just saw him completely shut down really well microed banshees and blue flame from ForGG or OgsFin yesterday. TangSC made a post about what learned from watching his stream today. (And what Stephano could improve-nothing, jk)

Stephano will reach #1 on Korean ladder. It will be soon, too. There is no doubt(in my mind) Stephano is the best player in the world at this moment(talentwise) and he has not even reached his full potential. Others may argue that he has never tried the GSL format but Stephano is ready. He can execute a huge variety of strategies and he does things I have never seen any other Zerg do before. I have no idea why other players don't build a crap load of queens and the block hellions while wrapping around with zerglings. Why don't other players go heavy, heavy queen and roach to deal with Stargate and then have a push with what seems like a million transfuses? Because they're not Stephano. As biased as this post seems (because it is), I was not a huge Stephano hipster. I am only a avid fan of SC2 and would like to inform the rest of the community that if there is one player to watch, it is Stephano. Oh, and he won ESWC.



Stephano Hwaiting!

Stephano stream- http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/Stephano
Denotation
*best player in the world according to Artosis
*Title- best player in the world according to Fahq
Incontrol gets a lot of crap in this article but I am actually a huge fan and root for him to succeed in every tournament. Any other foreigner players like Huk and Naniwa of course are fantastic, but that is not what this post is about.
I know there will be very positive and negative reactions, especially with such a cheesy title, but honest feedback is appreciated !
While doing so, please be civil to everyone else's opinions(if you want to flame Stephano or someone else's comment please flame me instead for my extremely "biased and unfounded" conclusions)
Even if you don't agree with this thread, (sane people won't), that doesn't mean that you shouldn't watch Stephano's stream or root for him
I don't like the pink power ranger stuff either, it's just...weird
BEFORE POSTING PLEASE READ FAQ
Please change title to Why I Think Stephano Is Best Player In The World, i think there's a lot of good sc2 players

Disclaimer*
The above section only lists the reasoning behind why that I, Fahq, think that Stephano will do very well in the near future and has the potential to beat everyone in GSL and at Blizzcon
I do no actually believe that Stephano is the best player in the world, he is unproven, and will not ever think that anyone is the best player in the world as it is completely objective and there are rises and falls, e.g. Bisu.
"Sometimes you look like a genuis and sometimes you lose to HongUnPrime"-EG_Idra
LiquidFahq
Profile Joined January 2011
United States34 Posts
December 10 2011 16:56 GMT
#2
(reserved)
And I will add pictures and more statistics once I figure out how to.
"Sometimes you look like a genuis and sometimes you lose to HongUnPrime"-EG_Idra
LiquidFahq
Profile Joined January 2011
United States34 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 22:06:49
December 10 2011 16:56 GMT
#3
(reserved)
Counter-Argument-

Super-biased
Needs more tournament wins
TSL_Alive wrecked him 2-0 (Alive is good btdubs)
If good Broodwar players switch over they're better (They will be better than everyone else too!)
You're trash bro, wait until BlizzCon to post this crap
(insert name here) so much better (he is very good indeed!)
This is opinion not fact, it's impossible to say who best player is ever (Duh)
Sensationalist title (Yep, it's cheesy but you clicked on it!)
You don't have facts to back this up! - Definition of opinion right here: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/opinion
Stephano lost at MLG- (once again probably was using a Stork build)

FAQ-
Q- Will you be filming a Brokeback Mountain remake starring you and Stephano?
A-Yes

Q- Flash is so &$%^*ing good!
A- That's not really a question....

Q- Why don't you make a blog if you love Stephano so much?
A- Don't want to.

Q- I've seen Stephano lose like five games before. How can you write such a biased thread?
A- Stephano always wins when he uses a Stephano build. If he lost it was because he was using a Stork build.

Q- Why don't you post this when Stephano actually wins GSL a couple times or something?
A- I'm posting this thread now for a couple reasons.
1. I feel like it
2. Everyone would be posting this before me even I waited until he won significant tournaments
3. Stephano is now living in Korea, he will practice much more than 3 hours a day and is making the transition to a full time gamer. This is Stephano's chance to prove himself.
4.If Stephano had already proven himself and was accepted as the best player in the world this thread would be redundant.
5. It is controversial and therefore will be argued extensively. Arguing is way more fun than agreeing.

Q- Why did you make this thread?
A- People will watch Stephano because of this thread. I love Teamliquid. Even if people hate and troll it just reminds me that I'm not the only one passionate about SC2. When I watches Broodwar this place was a desert. We could all probably fit in one room together. Now i get pages and pages of flame and hate within minutes of posting about SC2 and it makes me feel all giddy inside.If someone reads this thread and asks themselves "What is SC2 and why is everyone so opinionatd about this thing" and then goes on to watch a VOD or replay they may become a fan. If one person, just one, joins our ranks because of this, I will consider this a success.
Teamliquid Hwaiting!

Much more later thx for feedback pictures soon
"Sometimes you look like a genuis and sometimes you lose to HongUnPrime"-EG_Idra
RastaMonsta
Profile Joined October 2011
304 Posts
December 10 2011 16:57 GMT
#4
i agree, Stephano is a monster zerg and my favorite over Nestea atm. He has great potential and i LOVE his style with mass lings
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
December 10 2011 17:00 GMT
#5
He might be good and might possible become the best foreigner, but he isn't yet (need to win more) and specially you say he's the best player in the world which made me facepalm. It takes more to be that. The best player in the world is MVP, undoubtly. And if you ask me fOrGG is the most promising player on the rise (yes even if Stephano beat him on ladder once).
gosuRob
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States319 Posts
December 10 2011 17:00 GMT
#6
He's pretty amazing but #1 on korean ladder doesn't equal best sc2 player in the world, just saying
Rules? There aren't many rules. You fight mean, you win mean. It takes a certain someone
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
December 10 2011 17:01 GMT
#7
I guess Stephano is the new IdrA.
Cackle™
bode927
Profile Joined April 2011
United States164 Posts
December 10 2011 17:02 GMT
#8
Stephano is really good but I don't think he's the best player in the world. Guys like MVP, leenock, etc. have something to say about that. #1 ladder isn't that big of a deal. It's not like every player is trying their hardest to be #1 ladder player or something.

I know he won IPL, but let him win some more tournaments before we start saying he's the best.

Also, general is a weird section for this post. Shouldn't this be in SC2 General?
Deadeight
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1629 Posts
December 10 2011 17:02 GMT
#9
I'm guessing this is probably going to be changed to a blog.

I see what you're saying kinda, but personally I'm going to wait for more results.
Triggi
Profile Joined September 2010
79 Posts
December 10 2011 17:03 GMT
#10
On December 11 2011 02:02 bode927 wrote:
Also, general is a weird section for this post. Shouldn't this be in SC2 General?


His next post will be "Why this post is in General and not SC2 General.
LiquidFahq
Profile Joined January 2011
United States34 Posts
December 10 2011 17:03 GMT
#11
No it does not, but remember that right before IM_MVP's rise he became number one on the korean ladder. I do not expect people to accept this until he posts amazing GSL results, which I believe he will despite it's format that allows for preparing specifically for an opponent.
"Sometimes you look like a genuis and sometimes you lose to HongUnPrime"-EG_Idra
Cereb
Profile Joined November 2011
Denmark3388 Posts
December 10 2011 17:04 GMT
#12
Being a completely biased Stephano fanboy...

..I absolutely agree with everything :D
"Until the very very top in almost anything, all that matters is how much work you put in. The only problem is most people can't work hard even at things they do enjoy, much less things they don't have a real passion for. -Greg "IdrA" Fields
Ziken
Profile Joined August 2010
Ghana1743 Posts
December 10 2011 17:05 GMT
#13
To be honest, while I agree with most of the stuff you've written here, and am also a fan of stephano, I don't like the way you've presented this story. It looks kind of insulting to other pros. Yes, a lot of pro's in the foreigner scene have not been as successful as stephano, and not just underdog, but players both the fans, and the pro's themselves expected to do well. But the way you tell the story, you play them down. If you want to complement and praised stephano pls do so, but try insult others in the process.
Every misfortune is a blessing in disguise.
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
December 10 2011 17:05 GMT
#14
On December 11 2011 02:03 Triggi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 02:02 bode927 wrote:
Also, general is a weird section for this post. Shouldn't this be in SC2 General?


His next post will be "Why this post is in General and not SC2 General.


Nah, His next post will be "Why I didn't bother to put it in SC2 General, with an excerpt from blizzard forum trolls"
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
December 10 2011 17:05 GMT
#15
I was a Stephano fan before it was cool...

But seriously, he has loads of talent, I don't think anyone can deny him that. His strategies remind me a lot of mondragon, but with more effort.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
SafeAsCheese
Profile Joined June 2011
United States4924 Posts
December 10 2011 17:06 GMT
#16
He is not playing 3 hours a day still, to be able to compete on the KR ladder.

He streamed at least 5-6 yesterday and played more than that off stream.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 10 2011 17:07 GMT
#17
Oh hell no.

You did not just make a new account to say that rubbish.
LiquidFahq
Profile Joined January 2011
United States34 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 17:09:10
December 10 2011 17:07 GMT
#18
Whoops I tried posting in SC2 general and it failed, guess i accidentally clicked just general. Would love if an administrator could move this to SC2 General. and yes he does practice more than three hours a day that he has become full-time gamer and is Korea. I was referring to the time period during IPL 3 and before.
"Sometimes you look like a genuis and sometimes you lose to HongUnPrime"-EG_Idra
gullberg
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Sweden1301 Posts
December 10 2011 17:07 GMT
#19
What about Dreamhack and MLG Orlando? Pretty lackluster showings. So I wouldn't really call him the best.
Jeremyy
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada182 Posts
December 10 2011 17:08 GMT
#20
'War3 pro' is a bit much, he was pretty mediocre.
Where's the pleasure in that?
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