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Rodiel3
Profile Joined March 2011
France1158 Posts
December 26 2011 22:28 GMT
#961
On December 27 2011 07:24 Lore-Fighting wrote:
The biggest thing hindering Stephano is that he is French. Their culture/work ethic is real hinderance to being able to put in the dedication to being really good at this game. Is he the most talented? Maybe, but he will never develop it. The reason why Koreans is so good is their work ethic and culture, not anything to do with race.


Show me the way please.
http://www.youtube.com/user/rodiel3 SCBW FPVOD
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
December 26 2011 22:31 GMT
#962
On December 27 2011 07:24 Lore-Fighting wrote:
The biggest thing hindering Stephano is that he is French. Their culture/work ethic is real hinderance to being able to put in the dedication to being really good at this game. Is he the most talented? Maybe, but he will never develop it. The reason why Koreans is so good is their work ethic and culture, not anything to do with race.


Tell that to Elky.
Seriously, what you can read about country is sometimes ridiculous. :/
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-26 22:37:15
December 26 2011 22:35 GMT
#963
On December 27 2011 07:24 Lore-Fighting wrote:
The biggest thing hindering Stephano is that he is French. Their culture/work ethic is real hinderance to being able to put in the dedication to being really good at this game. Is he the most talented? Maybe, but he will never develop it. The reason why Koreans is so good is their work ethic and culture, not anything to do with race.

I'm no expert but wernt the French building tanks, planes, advanced chemicals and pharmaceuticals etc when Koreans were still in basically iron age conditions? No to mention throwing off the yolk of royalty/divine right of kings which world followed and is still following? Maybe they got lazy regardless, you can't generalize as there are always exceptions.
MC for president
lorestarcraft
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1049 Posts
December 26 2011 22:36 GMT
#964
On December 27 2011 07:31 Noocta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2011 07:24 Lore-Fighting wrote:
The biggest thing hindering Stephano is that he is French. Their culture/work ethic is real hinderance to being able to put in the dedication to being really good at this game. Is he the most talented? Maybe, but he will never develop it. The reason why Koreans is so good is their work ethic and culture, not anything to do with race.


Tell that to Elky.
Seriously, what you can read about country is sometimes ridiculous. :/


No, seriously, the French have shorter work days and more vacation time, indicating different priorities. Elky is not that good btw when compared to many other pros, and there will always be exceptions too.

I do have some idea what I am talking about as I am a Social Studies senior. Culture plays a huge role. It also a reason why there are not that many good NA players. The American work ethic has gone to pot.
SC2 Mapmaker
Takezou
Profile Joined October 2010
United States320 Posts
December 26 2011 22:37 GMT
#965
On December 27 2011 07:24 Lore-Fighting wrote:
The biggest thing hindering Stephano is that he is French. Their culture/work ethic is real hinderance to being able to put in the dedication to being really good at this game. Is he the most talented? Maybe, but he will never develop it. The reason why Koreans is so good is their work ethic and culture, not anything to do with race.


Man we have enough people who generalize Americans as ignorant idiots. Your post doesn't help ><
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-26 22:40:41
December 26 2011 22:39 GMT
#966
On December 27 2011 07:36 Lore-Fighting wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2011 07:31 Noocta wrote:
On December 27 2011 07:24 Lore-Fighting wrote:
The biggest thing hindering Stephano is that he is French. Their culture/work ethic is real hinderance to being able to put in the dedication to being really good at this game. Is he the most talented? Maybe, but he will never develop it. The reason why Koreans is so good is their work ethic and culture, not anything to do with race.


Tell that to Elky.
Seriously, what you can read about country is sometimes ridiculous. :/


No, seriously, the French have shorter work days and more vacation time, indicating different priorities. Elky is not that good btw when compared to many other pros, and there will always be exceptions too.

I do have some idea what I am talking about as I am a Social Studies senior. Culture plays a huge role. It also a reason why there are not that many good NA players. The American work ethic has gone to pot.



Elky is one of the few SC BW players that ever competed at the highest level of BW in Korea. Just because it happened 10 years ago does not mean he did not have talent.
That is like saying Babe Ruth is not that good at Baseball because he played a long time ago.
Known Aliases: Tyragon, Valeric ~MSL Forever, SKT is truly the Superior KT!
lorestarcraft
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1049 Posts
December 26 2011 22:40 GMT
#967
On December 27 2011 07:39 1Eris1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2011 07:36 Lore-Fighting wrote:
On December 27 2011 07:31 Noocta wrote:
On December 27 2011 07:24 Lore-Fighting wrote:
The biggest thing hindering Stephano is that he is French. Their culture/work ethic is real hinderance to being able to put in the dedication to being really good at this game. Is he the most talented? Maybe, but he will never develop it. The reason why Koreans is so good is their work ethic and culture, not anything to do with race.


Tell that to Elky.
Seriously, what you can read about country is sometimes ridiculous. :/


No, seriously, the French have shorter work days and more vacation time, indicating different priorities. Elky is not that good btw when compared to many other pros, and there will always be exceptions too.

I do have some idea what I am talking about as I am a Social Studies senior. Culture plays a huge role. It also a reason why there are not that many good NA players. The American work ethic has gone to pot.



Elky is one of the few SC BW players that ever competed at the highest level of BW in Korea. Just because it happened 10 years ago does not mean he did not have talent.
That is like saying Babe Ruth is not that good at Baseball.


As I said before, there are always exceptions. And of course Babe Ruth was good at Baseball.
SC2 Mapmaker
Kahlgar
Profile Joined June 2011
411 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-26 22:41:23
December 26 2011 22:41 GMT
#968
On December 27 2011 07:36 Lore-Fighting wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2011 07:31 Noocta wrote:
On December 27 2011 07:24 Lore-Fighting wrote:
The biggest thing hindering Stephano is that he is French. Their culture/work ethic is real hinderance to being able to put in the dedication to being really good at this game. Is he the most talented? Maybe, but he will never develop it. The reason why Koreans is so good is their work ethic and culture, not anything to do with race.


Tell that to Elky.
Seriously, what you can read about country is sometimes ridiculous. :/


No, seriously, the French have shorter work days and more vacation time, indicating different priorities. Elky is not that good btw when compared to many other pros, and there will always be exceptions too.

I do have some idea what I am talking about as I am a Social Studies senior. Culture plays a huge role. It also a reason why there are not that many good NA players. The American work ethic has gone to pot.


yeah and we're also supposed to be amongst the best at getting **** done per hour

must be why Stephano got so good playing playing 3 hours a day
NeonFox
Profile Joined January 2011
2373 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-26 22:43:33
December 26 2011 22:42 GMT
#969
On December 27 2011 07:36 Lore-Fighting wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2011 07:31 Noocta wrote:
On December 27 2011 07:24 Lore-Fighting wrote:
The biggest thing hindering Stephano is that he is French. Their culture/work ethic is real hinderance to being able to put in the dedication to being really good at this game. Is he the most talented? Maybe, but he will never develop it. The reason why Koreans is so good is their work ethic and culture, not anything to do with race.


Tell that to Elky.
Seriously, what you can read about country is sometimes ridiculous. :/


No, seriously, the French have shorter work days and more vacation time, indicating different priorities. Elky is not that good btw when compared to many other pros, and there will always be exceptions too.

I do have some idea what I am talking about as I am a Social Studies senior. Culture plays a huge role. It also a reason why there are not that many good NA players. The American work ethic has gone to pot.


Hm maybe you heard about the 35h/week work schedule, but for anyone living in France you know it's not true. If you work you have overtime hours and work to do at home which is not paid.
Take school for exemple, I went to American school when I was young, then to a french one later. We have a LOT more work to do at home, and typical school weeks leave you with little spare time, you have to work weekends as well most of the time.
By university though it's mostly the same, we do have a reputation to be lazy though.
lorestarcraft
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1049 Posts
December 26 2011 22:42 GMT
#970
On December 27 2011 07:41 Kahlgar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2011 07:36 Lore-Fighting wrote:
On December 27 2011 07:31 Noocta wrote:
On December 27 2011 07:24 Lore-Fighting wrote:
The biggest thing hindering Stephano is that he is French. Their culture/work ethic is real hinderance to being able to put in the dedication to being really good at this game. Is he the most talented? Maybe, but he will never develop it. The reason why Koreans is so good is their work ethic and culture, not anything to do with race.


Tell that to Elky.
Seriously, what you can read about country is sometimes ridiculous. :/


No, seriously, the French have shorter work days and more vacation time, indicating different priorities. Elky is not that good btw when compared to many other pros, and there will always be exceptions too.

I do have some idea what I am talking about as I am a Social Studies senior. Culture plays a huge role. It also a reason why there are not that many good NA players. The American work ethic has gone to pot.


yeah and we're also supposed to be amongst the best at getting **** done per hour

must be why Stephano got so good playing playing 3 hours a day


You have to admit that our culture (western culture) does not emphasize rigor like eastern cultures (I/E Korea, Japan)
SC2 Mapmaker
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
December 26 2011 22:43 GMT
#971
On December 27 2011 07:36 Lore-Fighting wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2011 07:31 Noocta wrote:
On December 27 2011 07:24 Lore-Fighting wrote:
The biggest thing hindering Stephano is that he is French. Their culture/work ethic is real hinderance to being able to put in the dedication to being really good at this game. Is he the most talented? Maybe, but he will never develop it. The reason why Koreans is so good is their work ethic and culture, not anything to do with race.


Tell that to Elky.
Seriously, what you can read about country is sometimes ridiculous. :/


No, seriously, the French have shorter work days and more vacation time, indicating different priorities. Elky is not that good btw when compared to many other pros, and there will always be exceptions too.

I do have some idea what I am talking about as I am a Social Studies senior. Culture plays a huge role. It also a reason why there are not that many good NA players. The American work ethic has gone to pot.

There is research showing less you work more productive you are. Sounds counter intuitive but maybe you should take a business management class instead of social studies.
MC for president
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
December 26 2011 22:43 GMT
#972
On December 27 2011 07:41 Kahlgar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2011 07:36 Lore-Fighting wrote:
On December 27 2011 07:31 Noocta wrote:
On December 27 2011 07:24 Lore-Fighting wrote:
The biggest thing hindering Stephano is that he is French. Their culture/work ethic is real hinderance to being able to put in the dedication to being really good at this game. Is he the most talented? Maybe, but he will never develop it. The reason why Koreans is so good is their work ethic and culture, not anything to do with race.


Tell that to Elky.
Seriously, what you can read about country is sometimes ridiculous. :/


No, seriously, the French have shorter work days and more vacation time, indicating different priorities. Elky is not that good btw when compared to many other pros, and there will always be exceptions too.

I do have some idea what I am talking about as I am a Social Studies senior. Culture plays a huge role. It also a reason why there are not that many good NA players. The American work ethic has gone to pot.


yeah and we're also supposed to be amongst the best at getting **** done per hour

must be why Stephano got so good playing playing 3 hours a day



He doesn't play 3 hours a day though, please stop saying this. I've seen him Stream 4+ hours in a row countless times and I highly doubt he only plays when he streams.
Known Aliases: Tyragon, Valeric ~MSL Forever, SKT is truly the Superior KT!
lorestarcraft
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1049 Posts
December 26 2011 22:44 GMT
#973
On December 27 2011 07:42 NeonFox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2011 07:36 Lore-Fighting wrote:
On December 27 2011 07:31 Noocta wrote:
On December 27 2011 07:24 Lore-Fighting wrote:
The biggest thing hindering Stephano is that he is French. Their culture/work ethic is real hinderance to being able to put in the dedication to being really good at this game. Is he the most talented? Maybe, but he will never develop it. The reason why Koreans is so good is their work ethic and culture, not anything to do with race.


Tell that to Elky.
Seriously, what you can read about country is sometimes ridiculous. :/


No, seriously, the French have shorter work days and more vacation time, indicating different priorities. Elky is not that good btw when compared to many other pros, and there will always be exceptions too.

I do have some idea what I am talking about as I am a Social Studies senior. Culture plays a huge role. It also a reason why there are not that many good NA players. The American work ethic has gone to pot.


Hm maybe you heard about the 35h/week work schedule, but to anyone living in France you know it's not true. If you work you have overtime hours and work to do at home which is not paid.
Take school for exemple, I went to American school when I was young, then to a french one later. We have a LOT more work to do at home, and typical school weeks leave you with little spare time, you have to work weekends as well most of the time.
By university though it's mostly the same., we do have a reputation to be lazy though.


I never said lazy, to be clear, it's okay to have different priorities.
SC2 Mapmaker
Kahlgar
Profile Joined June 2011
411 Posts
December 26 2011 22:45 GMT
#974
On December 27 2011 07:42 Lore-Fighting wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2011 07:41 Kahlgar wrote:
On December 27 2011 07:36 Lore-Fighting wrote:
On December 27 2011 07:31 Noocta wrote:
On December 27 2011 07:24 Lore-Fighting wrote:
The biggest thing hindering Stephano is that he is French. Their culture/work ethic is real hinderance to being able to put in the dedication to being really good at this game. Is he the most talented? Maybe, but he will never develop it. The reason why Koreans is so good is their work ethic and culture, not anything to do with race.


Tell that to Elky.
Seriously, what you can read about country is sometimes ridiculous. :/


No, seriously, the French have shorter work days and more vacation time, indicating different priorities. Elky is not that good btw when compared to many other pros, and there will always be exceptions too.

I do have some idea what I am talking about as I am a Social Studies senior. Culture plays a huge role. It also a reason why there are not that many good NA players. The American work ethic has gone to pot.


yeah and we're also supposed to be amongst the best at getting **** done per hour

must be why Stephano got so good playing playing 3 hours a day


You have to admit that our culture (western culture) does not emphasize rigor like eastern cultures (I/E Korea, Japan)

indeed but stereotyping a random country culture to predict how well a particular individual will do is really really bad
lorestarcraft
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1049 Posts
December 26 2011 22:45 GMT
#975
On December 27 2011 07:43 tdt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2011 07:36 Lore-Fighting wrote:
On December 27 2011 07:31 Noocta wrote:
On December 27 2011 07:24 Lore-Fighting wrote:
The biggest thing hindering Stephano is that he is French. Their culture/work ethic is real hinderance to being able to put in the dedication to being really good at this game. Is he the most talented? Maybe, but he will never develop it. The reason why Koreans is so good is their work ethic and culture, not anything to do with race.


Tell that to Elky.
Seriously, what you can read about country is sometimes ridiculous. :/


No, seriously, the French have shorter work days and more vacation time, indicating different priorities. Elky is not that good btw when compared to many other pros, and there will always be exceptions too.

I do have some idea what I am talking about as I am a Social Studies senior. Culture plays a huge role. It also a reason why there are not that many good NA players. The American work ethic has gone to pot.

There is research showing less you work more productive you are. Sounds counter intuitive but maybe you should take a business management class instead of social studies.


This is very true, I don't know that the same applies to starcraft or not. There is no research on that.
SC2 Mapmaker
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5500 Posts
December 26 2011 22:47 GMT
#976
On December 27 2011 07:24 Lore-Fighting wrote:
The biggest thing hindering Stephano is that he is French. Their culture/work ethic is real hinderance to being able to put in the dedication to being really good at this game. Is he the most talented? Maybe, but he will never develop it. The reason why Koreans is so good is their work ethic and culture, not anything to do with race.

That doesn't even... Koreans are good because they have good teams and it's widely accepted there. What you've just said is utter bullshit
http://i45.tinypic.com/9j2cdc.jpg Let it be so!
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
December 26 2011 22:50 GMT
#977
On December 27 2011 07:42 Lore-Fighting wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2011 07:41 Kahlgar wrote:
On December 27 2011 07:36 Lore-Fighting wrote:
On December 27 2011 07:31 Noocta wrote:
On December 27 2011 07:24 Lore-Fighting wrote:
The biggest thing hindering Stephano is that he is French. Their culture/work ethic is real hinderance to being able to put in the dedication to being really good at this game. Is he the most talented? Maybe, but he will never develop it. The reason why Koreans is so good is their work ethic and culture, not anything to do with race.


Tell that to Elky.
Seriously, what you can read about country is sometimes ridiculous. :/


No, seriously, the French have shorter work days and more vacation time, indicating different priorities. Elky is not that good btw when compared to many other pros, and there will always be exceptions too.

I do have some idea what I am talking about as I am a Social Studies senior. Culture plays a huge role. It also a reason why there are not that many good NA players. The American work ethic has gone to pot.


yeah and we're also supposed to be amongst the best at getting **** done per hour

must be why Stephano got so good playing playing 3 hours a day


You have to admit that our culture (western culture) does not emphasize rigor like eastern cultures (I/E Korea, Japan)

Wealth may make you lazy. Japan aint what it used to be and neither will Korea one day so goes rise and fall of civilizations. I still think it's wrong to generalize about individuals.
MC for president
Khonsou
Profile Joined September 2011
Dominican Republic275 Posts
December 26 2011 22:52 GMT
#978
On December 27 2011 07:24 Lore-Fighting wrote:
The biggest thing hindering Stephano is that he is French. Their culture/work ethic is real hinderance to being able to put in the dedication to being really good at this game. Is he the most talented? Maybe, but he will never develop it. The reason why Koreans is so good is their work ethic and culture, not anything to do with race.


Man, I hope you didn't go out of your country even one time, because if it's the case, you surely missed something.

A French living under the sun
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
December 26 2011 22:56 GMT
#979
On December 27 2011 07:36 Lore-Fighting wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2011 07:31 Noocta wrote:
On December 27 2011 07:24 Lore-Fighting wrote:
The biggest thing hindering Stephano is that he is French. Their culture/work ethic is real hinderance to being able to put in the dedication to being really good at this game. Is he the most talented? Maybe, but he will never develop it. The reason why Koreans is so good is their work ethic and culture, not anything to do with race.


Tell that to Elky.
Seriously, what you can read about country is sometimes ridiculous. :/


No, seriously, the French have shorter work days and more vacation time, indicating different priorities. Elky is not that good btw when compared to many other pros, and there will always be exceptions too.

I do have some idea what I am talking about as I am a Social Studies senior. Culture plays a huge role. It also a reason why there are not that many good NA players. The American work ethic has gone to pot.


Actually, french are almost the one who work the most per week in Europe.
The law being 35h / week is almost never reality here. And hell, most of progamer have less than 25years old, what do work sheldule have anything to do with progaming ?

Please stop with the cultural stereotype.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
ninjamyst
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1903 Posts
December 26 2011 22:57 GMT
#980
On December 27 2011 07:52 Khonsou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2011 07:24 Lore-Fighting wrote:
The biggest thing hindering Stephano is that he is French. Their culture/work ethic is real hinderance to being able to put in the dedication to being really good at this game. Is he the most talented? Maybe, but he will never develop it. The reason why Koreans is so good is their work ethic and culture, not anything to do with race.


Man, I hope you didn't go out of your country even one time, because if it's the case, you surely missed something.



Seems like you never been out of the country either. Different countries have different cultures and work ethnics. That's a fact. Europeans tend to have more vacation days and shorter work days. That's a fact. Asian tend to be more work focused and discipline focused. That's a fact. Whether Stephano being French makes him less of a player than a Korean...that's debatable. However, you can't deny that Korean work ethnics can be correlated to their dominance of the gamr.
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