EPTWhy I Think Stephano is a Really Good SC2 Player - Page 48
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L3g3nd_
New Zealand10461 Posts
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Nouar
France3270 Posts
Let's just wait and see. Nobody wins everything, everyone has ups and downs. Speculation is useless. Only after his sc2 year and looking at the full year results shall i have an opinion. About doctors, 6k would be family doctors. It's not that bad, i'm an IT oriented soldier, sarge, and i make 1.4k a month... My ex was planning on those 6k as a regular dentist and her father, neurosurgeon in saudi arabia made around 15/18k. | ||
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L3g3nd_
New Zealand10461 Posts
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Funkydonky
950 Posts
On December 27 2011 04:25 L3g3nd_ wrote: he has played in dreamhack and MLG lately, and didnt do amazing in either. i dont think hes going to be a bad player, but he isnt going to win another tournament or anything like that eswc, i44... each with good koreans.. oh pls... | ||
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Elefanto
Switzerland3584 Posts
On December 27 2011 04:40 L3g3nd_ wrote: what? im not saying he wont win another tournament because he hasnt won any lately, its just his playstyle and motives are heavily flawed Didn't know you're the person to judge the playstyles / motives of players, and relate them to future success. If your foresight is as absolute as you make it sound, who has the right playstyles and motives to win future events? | ||
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chadissilent
Canada1187 Posts
On December 27 2011 04:36 Nouar wrote: So if you don't win EVERY tourney you won't ever win another one? Ahahah. You know, his style might be figured out, but what says he can't change it? If others can adapt, why would he be the only one not able to?... Let's just wait and see. Nobody wins everything, everyone has ups and downs. Speculation is useless. Only after his sc2 year and looking at the full year results shall i have an opinion. Exactly. He dominated for a period of time, and everybody had to adapt to his style. Now it's up to him to readjust and force everyone to adapt once again. | ||
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L3g3nd_
New Zealand10461 Posts
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
On December 27 2011 04:02 mordk wrote: This, a thousand times this. If you want tons of money, in my country the way is geology or mining engineer. I myself am studying medicine, but definitely not for the money. It's not a bad life by any means, but you won't get rich fast with it. It takes a LOOONG time to reach high paying spots, and most are taken and are extremely difficult to get to. It's possible but it is highly unlikely, and if it does happen, it won't happen anywhere near your 20s/30s. More like your 50s Although I don't really care about this discussion, I'd like to chip in here. He has never said that he wants to be a doctor for money. He plays SC2 to earn money for his studies, he has said that it is his dream to become a doctor. If he wants to do that, I'd say it's a good choice. The world rather needs good, passionate doctors than good SC2 players. | ||
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chadissilent
Canada1187 Posts
On December 27 2011 04:51 L3g3nd_ wrote: but thats the thing, he has a style that people need to work out. true great players have a solid playstyle that cant be figured out. no ones going to figure out MVP's playstyle, theres nothing to figure out, you just need to play better than him He singlehandedly forced the world's top Terrans to figure him out. They didn't just react to his style in a game, but specifically prepared for it. That's changing the ZvT metagame and changing the way how Zerg is played. sAviOr in BW had a similar effect, but his was much more profound. Most Zergs have been figured out, Terrans have timing pushes and unit comps to play against the muta/ling/bling players and styles to use against the roach/ling/bling players. Unless you start preparing early against Stephano's style, you're going to have an extremely tough time winning the game. | ||
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sopas
509 Posts
On December 27 2011 04:51 L3g3nd_ wrote: but thats the thing, he has a style that people need to work out. true great players have a solid playstyle that cant be figured out. no ones going to figure out MVP's playstyle, theres nothing to figure out, you just need to play better than him wait what? see blizzard cup semifinal and mma's interview related to it. he specifically said he figured out weaknesses in mvps play when he wasnt "safe", exploited them and won | ||
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Apolo
Portugal1259 Posts
On December 27 2011 04:51 L3g3nd_ wrote: but thats the thing, he has a style that people need to work out. true great players have a solid playstyle that cant be figured out. no ones going to figure out MVP's playstyle, theres nothing to figure out, you just need to play better than him Like when SlayerS helped MMA create builds specifically aggainst MVP's playstyle on blizzcup?  Go and tell them that there's nothing to figure out about MVP after he got zeroed by MMA.EDIT: ups. above poster beat me to it  | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5079 Posts
true great players have a solid playstyle that cant be figured out. Ummm... Anyone can figure out anyone else's playstyle by watching replays and figuring out build orders and timings, what side of the base he sends air harass / drops through, what spots on a map he likes to fight engagements at... That's why pros try to develop new builds and timings in customs with teammates and friends, to try to surprise the competition at tournaments. | ||
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Sneakyz
Sweden2361 Posts
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The_Darkness
United States910 Posts
1. That he can do better on the KR ladder than any other foreigner. He's managed a 70% win rate (2nd best zerg on the ladder after DRG) and his MMR is as high as it gets, so he's constantly matched against the top of the KR ladder (makaprime (ie, Byun -- not MKP), squirtle, nestea, etc. All of the other top foreigners (e.g., Huk, Idra, Thorzain, Select) have barely managed a +50% win rate. Deride that achievement however you like -- ladder doesn't matter; no one takes it seriously; etc. But players are trying and all of the top code S pros manage at least 60% + win rates so perhaps having a high win rate doesn't mean you're the next GSL champ but it does mean you have you're very adaptive and have great multitasking and mechanics. Also, everyone within a week or two knew who Stephano was on the ladder and the KR terrans started blind countering his mass ling build and -- guess what -- losing, because Stephano changed his build by adding banelings in (and simply doing different builds, something which he was always capable of doing). 2. That he can hang with the very best players in the world, as illustrated by his play in the Blizzard cup (although we pretty much already knew this since he's won IPL 3, the IPL 4 regional qualifiers and the ESWC). 3. That he can impress at least some of the top KRs with his play -- see the interview where MVP says he was "emotional" when he watched Stephano play against Hero and thought he definitely is code S material. (I'm guessing the "emotional" reaction of MVP is a bit of a translation glitch (and an amusing one at that) but he still came away quite impressed.) It's interesting that MVP of all people spoke so highly of Stephano since his game against Stephano was the least competitive -- MVP blindly assumed Stephano was going mass ling and was right. At present, IMO, Stephano is the best hope foreigners have of a "dominant" SC2 player (or at least someone who could win more than one GSL), but that's never going to happen for a couple reasons: 1. Stephano's leaving to study medicine this year. 2. He doesn't want to play in the GSL. If you don't play in the GSL I don't think you can be considered a "dominant" or "great" SC2 player. Too bad. For Stephano's fans you only have about 8 months left before school starts and he's gone for good. Better enjoy his play while it lasts. | ||
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dafunk
France521 Posts
On December 27 2011 05:40 The_Darkness wrote: Too bad. For Stephano's fans you only have about 8 months left before school starts and he's gone for good. Better enjoy his play while it lasts. You couldn't be more wrong. He's never going to leave for school medicine in 8 months. The guy talks too high of himself and just want to impress people. Thats his personality. If he's still doing good for the next year, he's going to stay for sure. | ||
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Bigtony
United States1606 Posts
On December 27 2011 06:04 dafunk wrote: You couldn't be more wrong. He's never going to leave for school medicine in 8 months. The guy talks too high of himself and just want to impress people. Thats his personality. If he's still doing good for the next year, he's going to stay for sure. That would be nice for the community, but that's a pretty big assumption you're making. | ||
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mastergriggy
United States1312 Posts
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mjf
United States436 Posts
On December 27 2011 05:40 The_Darkness wrote: (makaprime (ie, Byun -- not MKP) for the record, i dont think anybody would think makaprime=marineking i think they would think that makaprime=makaprime | ||
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thezanursic
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lorestarcraft
United States1049 Posts
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