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Resonance
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada113 Posts
December 29 2011 16:27 GMT
#1001
On December 26 2011 21:46 BrassMonkey27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2011 19:24 Resonance wrote:
stephano is overrated imo.
he has a build that works well until people figure it out. while he has the ability to macro and has a high apm, he really lacks the skill set of a korean. i personally think he'll make no further than ro8 code s at his peak.


You claim he's overrated,, then say code s r8 would be his peak? I think many players (stephano included) would be quite happy with that so I have a tough time labeling him as overrated when you have those type of standards.


I said he's currently overrated. He's not at his peak yet, so you can't quite say he's achieved that goal. While he does have talent, he has yet to prove himself in the GSL. I ignore the IPL for various reasons. Without too many great results all the hype does not match his results; therefore, calling him overrated is valid at this point.
I play protoss because it's imbalanced. :D
mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-29 16:31:07
December 29 2011 16:29 GMT
#1002
On December 30 2011 01:27 Resonance wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2011 21:46 BrassMonkey27 wrote:
On December 26 2011 19:24 Resonance wrote:
stephano is overrated imo.
he has a build that works well until people figure it out. while he has the ability to macro and has a high apm, he really lacks the skill set of a korean. i personally think he'll make no further than ro8 code s at his peak.


You claim he's overrated,, then say code s r8 would be his peak? I think many players (stephano included) would be quite happy with that so I have a tough time labeling him as overrated when you have those type of standards.


I said he's currently overrated. He's not at his peak yet, so you can't quite say he's achieved that goal. While he does have talent, he has yet to prove himself in the GSL. I ignore the IPL for various reasons. Without too many great results all the hype does not match his results; therefore, calling him overrated is valid at this point.


when evaluating a player's skill/results it is best not to ignore one of the biggest tourneys of the year
Dandy_Moustachu
Profile Joined July 2010
France422 Posts
December 29 2011 17:24 GMT
#1003
On December 30 2011 01:29 mememolly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2011 01:27 Resonance wrote:
On December 26 2011 21:46 BrassMonkey27 wrote:
On December 26 2011 19:24 Resonance wrote:
stephano is overrated imo.
he has a build that works well until people figure it out. while he has the ability to macro and has a high apm, he really lacks the skill set of a korean. i personally think he'll make no further than ro8 code s at his peak.


You claim he's overrated,, then say code s r8 would be his peak? I think many players (stephano included) would be quite happy with that so I have a tough time labeling him as overrated when you have those type of standards.


I said he's currently overrated. He's not at his peak yet, so you can't quite say he's achieved that goal. While he does have talent, he has yet to prove himself in the GSL. I ignore the IPL for various reasons. Without too many great results all the hype does not match his results; therefore, calling him overrated is valid at this point.


when evaluating a player's skill/results it is best not to ignore one of the biggest tourneys of the year


In fact IMmvp and IMnestea are pretty terrible players, but i ignore GSL for some reasons
(after all it's just a small tounament with some local players, who care about it ?)
Pif Paf Pouf
zerker2strong
Profile Joined May 2011
775 Posts
December 29 2011 17:29 GMT
#1004
wow stephano schooling leenock 3-1 vs him on stream :D so gosu
DarK[A]
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States217 Posts
December 29 2011 17:34 GMT
#1005
I PICKED THIS TINY PART OUT OF YOUR WALL OF TEXT

Ret went on an 80 something percent win rate on ladder just recently as well. PROBLEM BRO?
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
December 29 2011 17:43 GMT
#1006
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Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
December 29 2011 18:00 GMT
#1007
On December 30 2011 02:43 JimmiC wrote:
I beleive RET is currectly 98-12 which is more like 90% just saying....

Yeah, and it hasn't been translating too well into tournies (no hate I like ret!). Looking at ladder results in a nutshell is just setting yourself up for a letdown.
masakenji
Profile Joined November 2011
Australia415 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-29 18:12:28
December 29 2011 18:12 GMT
#1008
On December 30 2011 01:29 mememolly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2011 01:27 Resonance wrote:
On December 26 2011 21:46 BrassMonkey27 wrote:
On December 26 2011 19:24 Resonance wrote:
stephano is overrated imo.
he has a build that works well until people figure it out. while he has the ability to macro and has a high apm, he really lacks the skill set of a korean. i personally think he'll make no further than ro8 code s at his peak.


You claim he's overrated,, then say code s r8 would be his peak? I think many players (stephano included) would be quite happy with that so I have a tough time labeling him as overrated when you have those type of standards.


I said he's currently overrated. He's not at his peak yet, so you can't quite say he's achieved that goal. While he does have talent, he has yet to prove himself in the GSL. I ignore the IPL for various reasons. Without too many great results all the hype does not match his results; therefore, calling him overrated is valid at this point.


when evaluating a player's skill/results it is best not to ignore one of the biggest tourneys of the year


one of the biggest, not toughest.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
December 29 2011 18:17 GMT
#1009
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The_Darkness
Profile Joined December 2011
United States910 Posts
December 29 2011 21:44 GMT
#1010
On December 30 2011 02:43 JimmiC wrote:
I beleive RET is currectly 98-12 which is more like 90% just saying....


That is pretty awesome (even if it is just ladder). What's really weird is that he wasn't placed into GM. Is something wrong with Blizzard's MMR system (eg, they're just matching him up agains scrubs)?

To be is to be the value of a bound variable.
teaCher
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada521 Posts
December 29 2011 21:45 GMT
#1011
hes not even that good....... won 1 tourney and now hes the best?
Follow me @H2O_teaCher ..... www.pmsclan.com
The_Darkness
Profile Joined December 2011
United States910 Posts
December 29 2011 21:46 GMT
#1012
On December 30 2011 03:12 masakenji wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2011 01:29 mememolly wrote:
On December 30 2011 01:27 Resonance wrote:
On December 26 2011 21:46 BrassMonkey27 wrote:
On December 26 2011 19:24 Resonance wrote:
stephano is overrated imo.
he has a build that works well until people figure it out. while he has the ability to macro and has a high apm, he really lacks the skill set of a korean. i personally think he'll make no further than ro8 code s at his peak.


You claim he's overrated,, then say code s r8 would be his peak? I think many players (stephano included) would be quite happy with that so I have a tough time labeling him as overrated when you have those type of standards.


I said he's currently overrated. He's not at his peak yet, so you can't quite say he's achieved that goal. While he does have talent, he has yet to prove himself in the GSL. I ignore the IPL for various reasons. Without too many great results all the hype does not match his results; therefore, calling him overrated is valid at this point.


when evaluating a player's skill/results it is best not to ignore one of the biggest tourneys of the year


one of the biggest, not toughest.


Don't let the hate blind you. IPL was certainly was one of the toughest foreign tournaments of the year. The qualifiers were ridiculously brutal (including the qualifier that Stephano won by beating MMA) and featured all of the top koreans other than MVP and Nestea.
To be is to be the value of a bound variable.
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
December 29 2011 21:49 GMT
#1013
On December 30 2011 06:45 sad.wish wrote:
hes not even that good....... won 1 tourney and now hes the best?
Funny guy: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Stephano#Achievements
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
llKenZyll
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States853 Posts
December 29 2011 21:52 GMT
#1014
This is why I think stephano is a really good SC2 player:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Stephano#Achievements
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/nd6nd/tang_in_his_natural_habitat/
Gexs
Profile Joined August 2011
Australia214 Posts
December 29 2011 21:58 GMT
#1015
MC ripped Stephano up at the Blizzard Cup. He's not good at all compared to the top Koreans like Mvp, MC, Nestea etc...
In GodLife we trust.
The_Darkness
Profile Joined December 2011
United States910 Posts
December 29 2011 22:06 GMT
#1016
On December 30 2011 06:58 Gexs wrote:
MC ripped Stephano up at the Blizzard Cup. He's not good at all compared to the top Koreans like Mvp, MC, Nestea etc...


Exactly, when he plays Code A and Code S Koreans, you can really see the skill gap between Stephano and the top players -- players like MMA, DRG, Violet, Inori, Lucky, theSTC, etc. And especially on ladder he's really been getting his ass handed to him by players like Leenock, Forgg, Sage, etc. Oh wait, he's beaten all of those players. I guess I should have been making the opposite point

Of course I'm sure you don't consider MMA, DRG or Leenock top players. They're as overrated as they come and are just begging to be exposed.
To be is to be the value of a bound variable.
Lythis
Profile Joined January 2010
Germany87 Posts
December 29 2011 22:06 GMT
#1017
I don't want to bring that topic back up again but Ret has awesome stats on NA ladder while Stephano had them on EU. Watching Rets stream you can clearly see that compared to EU NA is weaker. I don't want to compare the TOP players its just that High Masters/GM on NA,who Ret played seemed like low/mid Masters EU...
Resonance
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada113 Posts
December 30 2011 08:06 GMT
#1018
IPL 3 was far from one of the biggest. unless you happen to exclude dreamhack, mlgs gsls and such.
I play protoss because it's imbalanced. :D
Thurken
Profile Joined September 2011
961 Posts
December 30 2011 13:49 GMT
#1019
On December 30 2011 17:06 Resonance wrote:
IPL 3 was far from one of the biggest. unless you happen to exclude dreamhack, mlgs gsls and such.


I don't know why you place DH above IPL 3. There were better players at IPL 3 (or arguably the same skill level: MMA, MC, HerO, Puma, aLive, Ryunn TheSTC, Inori... and the best foreigners) and the qualifier were tougher. The prizepool was bigger also.
The last 3 MLG and the GSL had better players overall but that's why he said "one of the biggest" and not "the biggest".
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