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i wonder how much money he is going to get for switching
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On December 09 2011 07:11 Blondinbengt wrote:
I'm a bit confused about this statement ''and they had no plans to send any more of their players here for a long time'', since english is not my first language I ask any native english speaker, can't that statement mean both ''they weren't going to send any player over here for the foreseeable future'' aswell as ''they weren't going to keep another player here for a long period of time''?
Because one of those statements is false if Trimaster is indeed coming to korea and Naniwa was aware of it, while the other could still be true.
Hmm your 2nd interpretation is a valid one since you aren't a native speaker, and since I don't believe Nani is a native speaker either it is possible he ment "Col. does not have the intention of having other players stay in Korea long term. And that is something I want"
If that's the case Nani just made a miscommunication, because reading his statement it does really sound like he is saying "Col has no plans to send another player out to Korea in the near future."
So to answer your question, yes its possible to interpret "for a long time" either way especially if the speaker is not a native speaker.
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On December 09 2011 07:22 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 07:21 Zalithian wrote:On December 09 2011 07:19 Sfydjklm wrote:On December 09 2011 07:14 Zalithian wrote:On December 09 2011 07:14 Sfydjklm wrote:On December 09 2011 07:10 Zalithian wrote:On December 09 2011 07:06 Klondikebar wrote:On December 09 2011 07:02 Zalithian wrote:On December 09 2011 07:01 Klondikebar wrote:On December 09 2011 06:58 Mordiford wrote:
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I don't see how he said, "We don't care what our players want". That's some pretty crazy extrapolation from something that isn't event hinted at. He does plainly state that Naniwa is not being entirely honest about no future English speaking teammates coming to Korea, I see no problem with calling someone who is lying to make themselves look better provided that is the case, we aren't sure.
The second was a pretty clear statement that they were going to remove him from the team and were looking to do so, effectively suggested he was being "kicked out" in a sense. Considering his history, I'm sort of leaning towards Complexity's side but it seems they didn't know what they were getting into despite Odee briefing them on what to expect. All I read was a guy who tried to set himself up on a pedestal but then couldn't resist taking a jab at Naniwa anyway. And given the tone of both of their statements, I'm going to side with Naniwa. Kyle says they were going to send a player "any week now" which doesn't sound terribly concrete. And fine, they're kicking Naniwa off the team. Naniwa had the grace to make a good statement about how he was actually excited and CoL could have just left it at that. Instead he comes in and trolls. It appears as if Naniwa LIED about Complexity and his situation. How you can see it as wrong that Jason was clarifying things is beyond me. Really? Naniwa lied that CoL had no plans to send anyone to Korea and the best Kyle can offer as a rebuttal is "we're sending one any week now." Sorry, that doesn't sound like great evidence. Also, Naniwa has been in Korea by himself for a long time now and clearly hasn't enjoyed himself. It doesn't surprise me that he doesn't find comfort in "just keep waiting an indeterminate number of weeks and we'll send you a buddy." And there's a difference between clarifying and clearly trying to start something. Jason Lake says Naniwa knew Trimaster would be coming. Nani said Col said NOBODY was coming for a long time. Seems to be clarifying to me, and obviously one side is lying. Considering Naniwa is a very skilled player who cannot manage to stay on a team would lead you to believe he has a terrible personality, even if you don't count his past from WC3 etc. Naniwa also lied about MLG, unless you believe him over Sundance. I don't want to offend Trimaster, but the fact is considering Naniwa's skill level Trimaster is a nobody. Yet it still makes Naniwa a liar. (if it is the actual situation) No it doesn't. Reading between the lines is a good skill toi have. Jason says Naniwa knows Trimaster is coming to Korea "soon". Naniwa says Complexity wasn't sending any players to Korea for a long time. Please explain "between the lines" instead of ad hominem. That was easy.
So calling Jason Lake a liar and not Naniwa is how to go between the lines. Gotcha.
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Congrats to Naniwa, I hope everything works out well for him with his new team.
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On December 09 2011 07:15 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 07:12 Klondikebar wrote:On December 09 2011 07:09 mki wrote:On December 09 2011 07:07 Condor Hero wrote:
Lol Complexity amazes me.
First off, they came late to the Starcraft scene, so you can't really be too choosy about which players you sign. As long as they produce results, they bring your sponsors recognition.
Say what you will about Naniwa, but he's a world class player who is a legitimate Ace against any team on the planet. Nani is a legit favorite in just about any tournament he enters and at the moment, the only foreigner in Code S.
2nd what part of Naniwa being a headcase did Complexity not understand when they signed him? Did they make any revelations in the past few months?
3rd why would you advertise you don't give a fuck about his opinion and he didn't have a say in the matter? Is that a good decision? There's a reason why EG didn't go after NaNiwa Probably because EG doesn't want pre-written contracts, they want to negotiate their own. Alex Garfield has stated before that they didn't want Naniwa because he's not marketable. Naniwa's one of the few pros, I'd say, who actually has a negative image. People like him in spite of his personality, not because, and it's not like he's particularly "faceless" either (like a lot of the Korean pros who can't interact well with their fans due to language barriers).
You cannot be serious. Yes, I've heard AG talk about marketability before and there's a lot of comedy gold in that based off their current roster. Good thing is his opinions are just that. Opinions.
Naniwa's image is fine. He gets attention just like IdrA. People put way too much thought in it. -.-
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On December 09 2011 07:21 Zalithian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 07:19 Sfydjklm wrote:On December 09 2011 07:14 Zalithian wrote:On December 09 2011 07:14 Sfydjklm wrote:On December 09 2011 07:10 Zalithian wrote:On December 09 2011 07:06 Klondikebar wrote:On December 09 2011 07:02 Zalithian wrote:On December 09 2011 07:01 Klondikebar wrote:On December 09 2011 06:58 Mordiford wrote:On December 09 2011 06:53 Klondikebar wrote:
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Did you read what he said on reddit?
"We're sending TriMaster to Korea any week now and Johan is well aware of that. I'm not going to get into a public argument and wish him the very best but this was a one way decision. His contract was being sold (to Quantic or someone else) whether he approved or not."
Which translates to: I don't want to say anything bad, but I'm going to proceed to say that we don't care what our players want. Or he was STRONGLY implying that Naniwa had pissed off the team. Either way, he was getting into a public argument in the very statement where he said he didn't want to. And terse little laws like "whether he approved or not" imply a management style of which I don't approve. I don't see how he said, "We don't care what our players want". That's some pretty crazy extrapolation from something that isn't event hinted at. He does plainly state that Naniwa is not being entirely honest about no future English speaking teammates coming to Korea, I see no problem with calling someone who is lying to make themselves look better provided that is the case, we aren't sure. The second was a pretty clear statement that they were going to remove him from the team and were looking to do so, effectively suggested he was being "kicked out" in a sense. Considering his history, I'm sort of leaning towards Complexity's side but it seems they didn't know what they were getting into despite Odee briefing them on what to expect. All I read was a guy who tried to set himself up on a pedestal but then couldn't resist taking a jab at Naniwa anyway. And given the tone of both of their statements, I'm going to side with Naniwa. Kyle says they were going to send a player "any week now" which doesn't sound terribly concrete. And fine, they're kicking Naniwa off the team. Naniwa had the grace to make a good statement about how he was actually excited and CoL could have just left it at that. Instead he comes in and trolls. It appears as if Naniwa LIED about Complexity and his situation. How you can see it as wrong that Jason was clarifying things is beyond me. Really? Naniwa lied that CoL had no plans to send anyone to Korea and the best Kyle can offer as a rebuttal is "we're sending one any week now." Sorry, that doesn't sound like great evidence. Also, Naniwa has been in Korea by himself for a long time now and clearly hasn't enjoyed himself. It doesn't surprise me that he doesn't find comfort in "just keep waiting an indeterminate number of weeks and we'll send you a buddy." And there's a difference between clarifying and clearly trying to start something. Jason Lake says Naniwa knew Trimaster would be coming. Nani said Col said NOBODY was coming for a long time. Seems to be clarifying to me, and obviously one side is lying. Considering Naniwa is a very skilled player who cannot manage to stay on a team would lead you to believe he has a terrible personality, even if you don't count his past from WC3 etc. Naniwa also lied about MLG, unless you believe him over Sundance. I don't want to offend Trimaster, but the fact is considering Naniwa's skill level Trimaster is a nobody. Yet it still makes Naniwa a liar. (if it is the actual situation) No it doesn't. Reading between the lines is a good skill toi have. Jason says Naniwa knows Trimaster is coming to Korea soon. Naniwa says Complexity wasn't sending any players to Korea for a long time. Please explain "between the lines" instead of ad hominem.
Saying Trimaster is coming to korea "any week now" is similar to when EG was saying they'd establish a team house in Korea pretty much centered around Idra (and any acquisitions). They've done some of both (team house in America and Slayers partnership including Idra/Huk/Puma), but not all of it. If I were Naniwa, and that was the best response I got from Col, I'm not sure I'd be too optimistic.
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On December 09 2011 07:16 flowSthead wrote:
I don't understand what Naniwa could have done to get himself transferred. He's hanging out in Korea practicing all day. Did he have duties he didn't fulfill? Was he BM towards management? I just don't see why Complexity even needs to concern themselves that much with Naniwa that he could have pissed them off. He's in Korea; the amount of damage he can do to their sponsors in the West is minimal.
Read the fucking note that they put at the top. Do NOT comment until you read naniwa's response. Holy shit, how hard can it be to...read?
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I love how everyone says he is in the only foreigner (they are saying he is the best foreigner) in Code S when a) he just got the spot, and b) he has not proved himself in a Code S tournament yet... I would not give him too much credit before he proves himself in Code S
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ESFI Editor in Chief Brent Ruiz will be on !@#$ Slasher Today to discuss Naniwa's move to Quantic, including additional quotes and information from Complexity Owner Jason Lake, Quantic Owner Mark Ferraz, and some anonymous sources. Complexity co-owner Jason Bass will be on the show tomorrow to talk more. 5:30 EST/23:30 CET at http://www.MLG.tv.
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i dont care which team you are on as long as it fits. gl nani!
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On December 09 2011 07:21 sereniity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 07:17 Zalithian wrote:On December 09 2011 07:16 sereniity wrote:On December 09 2011 07:09 Mordiford wrote:On December 09 2011 07:06 Klondikebar wrote:On December 09 2011 07:02 Zalithian wrote:On December 09 2011 07:01 Klondikebar wrote:On December 09 2011 06:58 Mordiford wrote:On December 09 2011 06:53 Klondikebar wrote:On December 09 2011 06:49 pPingu wrote:
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Really?... The situation with stephano was in now way col fault.
Jason is a great guy, don't shit on him for no reason Did you read what he said on reddit? "We're sending TriMaster to Korea any week now and Johan is well aware of that. I'm not going to get into a public argument and wish him the very best but this was a one way decision. His contract was being sold (to Quantic or someone else) whether he approved or not." Which translates to: I don't want to say anything bad, but I'm going to proceed to say that we don't care what our players want. Or he was STRONGLY implying that Naniwa had pissed off the team. Either way, he was getting into a public argument in the very statement where he said he didn't want to. And terse little laws like "whether he approved or not" imply a management style of which I don't approve. I don't see how he said, "We don't care what our players want". That's some pretty crazy extrapolation from something that isn't event hinted at. He does plainly state that Naniwa is not being entirely honest about no future English speaking teammates coming to Korea, I see no problem with calling someone who is lying to make themselves look better provided that is the case, we aren't sure. The second was a pretty clear statement that they were going to remove him from the team and were looking to do so, effectively suggested he was being "kicked out" in a sense. Considering his history, I'm sort of leaning towards Complexity's side but it seems they didn't know what they were getting into despite Odee briefing them on what to expect. All I read was a guy who tried to set himself up on a pedestal but then couldn't resist taking a jab at Naniwa anyway. And given the tone of both of their statements, I'm going to side with Naniwa. Kyle says they were going to send a player "any week now" which doesn't sound terribly concrete. And fine, they're kicking Naniwa off the team. Naniwa had the grace to make a good statement about how he was actually excited and CoL could have just left it at that. Instead he comes in and trolls. It appears as if Naniwa LIED about Complexity and his situation. How you can see it as wrong that Jason was clarifying things is beyond me. Really? Naniwa lied that CoL had no plans to send anyone to Korea and the best Kyle can offer as a rebuttal is "we're sending one any week now." Sorry, that doesn't sound like great evidence. Also, Naniwa has been in Korea by himself for a long time now and clearly hasn't enjoyed himself. It doesn't surprise me that he doesn't find comfort in "just keep waiting an indeterminate number of weeks and we'll send you a buddy." And there's a difference between clarifying and clearly trying to start something. Erm, I'm pretty sure Drewbie was there for 6 weeks, it's not like he's been alone for an eternity. Provided TriMaster is actually sent to Korea within the next few weeks, there's no reason to believe this is them fumbling around Naniwa's statements to make him look bad, Naniwa doesn't have the greatest history in this regard anyway, it's not like Complexity would have to really try to make him look bad. Lets say Naniwa knew about TriMaster coming, how much would that help really? Trimaster? Not to be bashing on him but I'd say Naniwa is way above his level, don't see how him or Drewbie could make him a better player. SaSe on the other hand... Wasn't his complaint that he felt lonely, and not that he had nobody to play with? That's true, however I still think Naniwa is just way better off in Quantic. Sase is good for his skills, Trimaster isn't. CoL states that they're sending Trimaster over any WEEK now... any week as in weekS. That's just quite random, as somebody else said it seems that he's saying that just to make Naniwa look wrong. HOWEVER, every single fucking thread that has been about something like this has ALWAYS ended up in something different from what everybody thought from the start so lets just WAIT. Lets see if Trimaster gets to Korea soon, lets see if there's any new statements coming etc. Then again I know people wont wait so this is all just useless shit that I'm writing t.t...
If skills is the issue, it's not like Naniwa lacks top tier practice partners in terms of MVP, you can't highlight that as an issue in this regard.
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On December 09 2011 07:21 Zalithian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 07:19 Sfydjklm wrote:On December 09 2011 07:14 Zalithian wrote:On December 09 2011 07:14 Sfydjklm wrote:On December 09 2011 07:10 Zalithian wrote:On December 09 2011 07:06 Klondikebar wrote:On December 09 2011 07:02 Zalithian wrote:On December 09 2011 07:01 Klondikebar wrote:On December 09 2011 06:58 Mordiford wrote:On December 09 2011 06:53 Klondikebar wrote:
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Did you read what he said on reddit?
"We're sending TriMaster to Korea any week now and Johan is well aware of that. I'm not going to get into a public argument and wish him the very best but this was a one way decision. His contract was being sold (to Quantic or someone else) whether he approved or not."
Which translates to: I don't want to say anything bad, but I'm going to proceed to say that we don't care what our players want. Or he was STRONGLY implying that Naniwa had pissed off the team. Either way, he was getting into a public argument in the very statement where he said he didn't want to. And terse little laws like "whether he approved or not" imply a management style of which I don't approve. I don't see how he said, "We don't care what our players want". That's some pretty crazy extrapolation from something that isn't event hinted at. He does plainly state that Naniwa is not being entirely honest about no future English speaking teammates coming to Korea, I see no problem with calling someone who is lying to make themselves look better provided that is the case, we aren't sure. The second was a pretty clear statement that they were going to remove him from the team and were looking to do so, effectively suggested he was being "kicked out" in a sense. Considering his history, I'm sort of leaning towards Complexity's side but it seems they didn't know what they were getting into despite Odee briefing them on what to expect. All I read was a guy who tried to set himself up on a pedestal but then couldn't resist taking a jab at Naniwa anyway. And given the tone of both of their statements, I'm going to side with Naniwa. Kyle says they were going to send a player "any week now" which doesn't sound terribly concrete. And fine, they're kicking Naniwa off the team. Naniwa had the grace to make a good statement about how he was actually excited and CoL could have just left it at that. Instead he comes in and trolls. It appears as if Naniwa LIED about Complexity and his situation. How you can see it as wrong that Jason was clarifying things is beyond me. Really? Naniwa lied that CoL had no plans to send anyone to Korea and the best Kyle can offer as a rebuttal is "we're sending one any week now." Sorry, that doesn't sound like great evidence. Also, Naniwa has been in Korea by himself for a long time now and clearly hasn't enjoyed himself. It doesn't surprise me that he doesn't find comfort in "just keep waiting an indeterminate number of weeks and we'll send you a buddy." And there's a difference between clarifying and clearly trying to start something. Jason Lake says Naniwa knew Trimaster would be coming. Nani said Col said NOBODY was coming for a long time. Seems to be clarifying to me, and obviously one side is lying. Considering Naniwa is a very skilled player who cannot manage to stay on a team would lead you to believe he has a terrible personality, even if you don't count his past from WC3 etc. Naniwa also lied about MLG, unless you believe him over Sundance. I don't want to offend Trimaster, but the fact is considering Naniwa's skill level Trimaster is a nobody. Yet it still makes Naniwa a liar. (if it is the actual situation) No it doesn't. Reading between the lines is a good skill toi have. Jason says Naniwa knows Trimaster is coming to Korea soon. Naniwa says Complexity wasn't sending any players to Korea for a long time. Please explain "between the lines" instead of ad hominem.
Even if you try to dumb down what was said you still don't have a case.
There is no information when Trimaster will go to Korea, and neither does long time mean long time starting today.
Do you think Naniwa woke up this morning and thought he should tranfer and coL and QxG finalized transfer within hours?
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On December 09 2011 07:17 IPA wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 07:02 milky_muh wrote:On December 09 2011 06:57 Zalithian wrote:On December 09 2011 06:56 milky_muh wrote:On December 09 2011 06:53 ZwuckeL wrote:
why has noone seen this coming? i would have thought everyone has seen it coming, after the fact of nani bm'ing so hard at MLG and putting coL in a very awkward position Hahaha, who/what did he BM? :D I don't know. Major League Gaming, probably the best SC2 tournament in the world, or at least outside Korea. Nestea, one of the most respected players in Korea and the world? I may have missed if he flamed MLG tournament, but he certainly didnt flame or BM nestea. Its just you people who want a reason to hate him. He said several times after the interview about winning MLG invitational, that he did not disrespect any of the other players etc etc. You have no idea what you're talking about.  Did you watch MLG Providence? Obviously not or you would know that he did, indeed, BM NesTea and the tournament itself. Please stop posting for a bit. I find it funny that people choose to rabidly, zealously defend Nani and cast a bunch of down on JLake's statements, even when given Nani's history. People see what they want to see I suppose.
What a bullshit post...
It's okay when MC does his bullshit ceremonies, or when MMA does a kamehameha at IdrA?
It seems that YOU have no idea what YOU'RE talking about. Nestea told Naniwa BEFORE the game PERSONALLY that he would CRUSH him. It was all friendly shit Naniwa did to him and he even stated after that he respected him alot, Nestea mentioned Naniwa in a interview afterwards.
I find it funny that people choose to rabidly, zealously flame Nani and cast a bunch of down on his behaviour, even when he's getting better in terms of personality. People see what they want to see I suppose.
Please stop posting for a bit.
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That is Great!!! he deserves the best chance he can have!
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Well the reasons Naniwa gave are pretty sound. GL to him 
He's definitely come a loooooooooooooooong way from being called a BM cheeser during the first months of SC2's release.
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I feel like a lot of the drama is springing from how complexity wants to portray this as their decision and naniwa is saying that it was a mutual parting of ways.
it's like complexity saying "i dumped him" and naniwa saying "oh yeah we broke up. it was mutual."
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On December 09 2011 07:19 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 07:15 babylon wrote:On December 09 2011 07:12 Klondikebar wrote:On December 09 2011 07:09 mki wrote:On December 09 2011 07:07 Condor Hero wrote:
Lol Complexity amazes me.
First off, they came late to the Starcraft scene, so you can't really be too choosy about which players you sign. As long as they produce results, they bring your sponsors recognition.
Say what you will about Naniwa, but he's a world class player who is a legitimate Ace against any team on the planet. Nani is a legit favorite in just about any tournament he enters and at the moment, the only foreigner in Code S.
2nd what part of Naniwa being a headcase did Complexity not understand when they signed him? Did they make any revelations in the past few months?
3rd why would you advertise you don't give a fuck about his opinion and he didn't have a say in the matter? Is that a good decision? There's a reason why EG didn't go after NaNiwa Probably because EG doesn't want pre-written contracts, they want to negotiate their own. Alex Garfield has stated before that they didn't want Naniwa because he's not marketable. Naniwa's one of the few pros, I'd say, who actually has a negative image. People like him in spite of his personality, not because, and it's not like he's particularly "faceless" either (like a lot of the Korean pros who can't interact well with their fans due to language barriers). EG also has some pretty high standards when it comes to what's marketable. Huk, IdrA, and iNcontroL (hate him or love him) have some of the most widely recognized personalities in Starcraft 2. So I think I agree with you. I honestly don't have a negative image of Naniwa so I'll have to disagree with you there though. I think people want him to be a BM-er so they take a lot of what he says out of context. The dude loves Starcraft and plays amazing games. I like him.
I think saying Machine or Axslav possess marketable personalities (as much as I enjoy Nick's stream) is a bit of a stretch. I think Machine is best known for impersonality Idra with Carmac in that troll interview.
But yea you do have a point... MLG Dallas and TSL3 - Naniwa says jack shit in the interviews people say he has no personality and is boring
MLG Prov- Naniwa tries to let his personality come through by gesticulating and partaking in friendly interview banter (seriously see what the GSL guys say to each other at selections... what he about NesTea was nothing) and He gets shit on by everybody.
Can't wait for him to engage beast mode at the startale house though. I'm absolutely a Naniwa fan!
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Someone needs to tell Clutch that Naniwa switched teams before he makes another mistake on MLG
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Waw now that took me by surprise....
1 question tho..i know IM parted ways with Quantic.... i know it was some time ago but even the transfer of naniwa was discussed a long time ago and just now publicly announced. I am not trying to start a flame or hate or anything....but do u guys think IM and Quantic parted ways because naniwa joined them? :o
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