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Gogo quantic =) I hope they get some sick terran or zerg now and they'll be a fearsome team!
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On December 09 2011 07:12 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 07:09 mki wrote:On December 09 2011 07:07 Condor Hero wrote:
Lol Complexity amazes me.
First off, they came late to the Starcraft scene, so you can't really be too choosy about which players you sign. As long as they produce results, they bring your sponsors recognition.
Say what you will about Naniwa, but he's a world class player who is a legitimate Ace against any team on the planet. Nani is a legit favorite in just about any tournament he enters and at the moment, the only foreigner in Code S.
2nd what part of Naniwa being a headcase did Complexity not understand when they signed him? Did they make any revelations in the past few months?
3rd why would you advertise you don't give a fuck about his opinion and he didn't have a say in the matter? Is that a good decision? There's a reason why EG didn't go after NaNiwa Probably because EG doesn't want pre-written contracts, they want to negotiate their own.
Alex Garfield has stated before that they didn't want Naniwa because he's not marketable.
Naniwa's one of the few pros, I'd say, who actually has a negative image. People like him in spite of his personality, not because, and it's not like he's particularly "faceless" either (like a lot of the Korean pros who can't interact well with their fans due to language barriers).
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I don't understand what Naniwa could have done to get himself transferred. He's hanging out in Korea practicing all day. Did he have duties he didn't fulfill? Was he BM towards management? I just don't see why Complexity even needs to concern themselves that much with Naniwa that he could have pissed them off. He's in Korea; the amount of damage he can do to their sponsors in the West is minimal.
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Hopefully this one works out for him!
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On December 09 2011 07:09 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 07:06 Klondikebar wrote:On December 09 2011 07:02 Zalithian wrote:On December 09 2011 07:01 Klondikebar wrote:On December 09 2011 06:58 Mordiford wrote:On December 09 2011 06:53 Klondikebar wrote:On December 09 2011 06:49 pPingu wrote:On December 09 2011 06:46 Klondikebar wrote:On December 09 2011 06:43 farvacola wrote:
Quite frankly, Jason Lake's statement makes coL look petty, Naniwa hwaiting! It definitely sheds some light on why Stephano just walked away from the team. Really?... The situation with stephano was in now way col fault. Jason is a great guy, don't shit on him for no reason Did you read what he said on reddit? "We're sending TriMaster to Korea any week now and Johan is well aware of that. I'm not going to get into a public argument and wish him the very best but this was a one way decision. His contract was being sold (to Quantic or someone else) whether he approved or not." Which translates to: I don't want to say anything bad, but I'm going to proceed to say that we don't care what our players want. Or he was STRONGLY implying that Naniwa had pissed off the team. Either way, he was getting into a public argument in the very statement where he said he didn't want to. And terse little laws like "whether he approved or not" imply a management style of which I don't approve. I don't see how he said, "We don't care what our players want". That's some pretty crazy extrapolation from something that isn't event hinted at. He does plainly state that Naniwa is not being entirely honest about no future English speaking teammates coming to Korea, I see no problem with calling someone who is lying to make themselves look better provided that is the case, we aren't sure. The second was a pretty clear statement that they were going to remove him from the team and were looking to do so, effectively suggested he was being "kicked out" in a sense. Considering his history, I'm sort of leaning towards Complexity's side but it seems they didn't know what they were getting into despite Odee briefing them on what to expect. All I read was a guy who tried to set himself up on a pedestal but then couldn't resist taking a jab at Naniwa anyway. And given the tone of both of their statements, I'm going to side with Naniwa. Kyle says they were going to send a player "any week now" which doesn't sound terribly concrete. And fine, they're kicking Naniwa off the team. Naniwa had the grace to make a good statement about how he was actually excited and CoL could have just left it at that. Instead he comes in and trolls. It appears as if Naniwa LIED about Complexity and his situation. How you can see it as wrong that Jason was clarifying things is beyond me. Really? Naniwa lied that CoL had no plans to send anyone to Korea and the best Kyle can offer as a rebuttal is "we're sending one any week now." Sorry, that doesn't sound like great evidence. Also, Naniwa has been in Korea by himself for a long time now and clearly hasn't enjoyed himself. It doesn't surprise me that he doesn't find comfort in "just keep waiting an indeterminate number of weeks and we'll send you a buddy." And there's a difference between clarifying and clearly trying to start something. Erm, I'm pretty sure Drewbie was there for 6 weeks, it's not like he's been alone for an eternity. Provided TriMaster is actually sent to Korea within the next few weeks, there's no reason to believe this is them fumbling around Naniwa's statements to make him look bad, Naniwa doesn't have the greatest history in this regard anyway, it's not like Complexity would have to really try to make him look bad.
Lets say Naniwa knew about TriMaster coming, how much would that help really? Trimaster? Not to be bashing on him but I'd say Naniwa is way above his level, don't see how him or Drewbie could make him a better player. SaSe on the other hand...
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To be fair to Naniwa, I wouldn't be too enthusiastic about my chances of having more coL teammates in Korea if I was told "any week now" either. It's just way too easy to think "yeah, that means no one is coming anytime soon", and it wouldn't be surprising at all if that turned out to be true. The whole statement by Lake really seems like kind of a cop-out by using some obscure plan to send Trimaster over as an attempt to discredit Naniwa's statement.
Best of luck to Naniwa. Pretty much everyone is getting what they want in this deal, so hopefully it works out.
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On December 09 2011 07:14 Zalithian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 07:14 Sfydjklm wrote:On December 09 2011 07:10 Zalithian wrote:On December 09 2011 07:06 Klondikebar wrote:On December 09 2011 07:02 Zalithian wrote:On December 09 2011 07:01 Klondikebar wrote:On December 09 2011 06:58 Mordiford wrote:On December 09 2011 06:53 Klondikebar wrote:On December 09 2011 06:49 pPingu wrote:On December 09 2011 06:46 Klondikebar wrote:
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It definitely sheds some light on why Stephano just walked away from the team. Really?... The situation with stephano was in now way col fault. Jason is a great guy, don't shit on him for no reason Did you read what he said on reddit? "We're sending TriMaster to Korea any week now and Johan is well aware of that. I'm not going to get into a public argument and wish him the very best but this was a one way decision. His contract was being sold (to Quantic or someone else) whether he approved or not." Which translates to: I don't want to say anything bad, but I'm going to proceed to say that we don't care what our players want. Or he was STRONGLY implying that Naniwa had pissed off the team. Either way, he was getting into a public argument in the very statement where he said he didn't want to. And terse little laws like "whether he approved or not" imply a management style of which I don't approve. I don't see how he said, "We don't care what our players want". That's some pretty crazy extrapolation from something that isn't event hinted at. He does plainly state that Naniwa is not being entirely honest about no future English speaking teammates coming to Korea, I see no problem with calling someone who is lying to make themselves look better provided that is the case, we aren't sure. The second was a pretty clear statement that they were going to remove him from the team and were looking to do so, effectively suggested he was being "kicked out" in a sense. Considering his history, I'm sort of leaning towards Complexity's side but it seems they didn't know what they were getting into despite Odee briefing them on what to expect. All I read was a guy who tried to set himself up on a pedestal but then couldn't resist taking a jab at Naniwa anyway. And given the tone of both of their statements, I'm going to side with Naniwa. Kyle says they were going to send a player "any week now" which doesn't sound terribly concrete. And fine, they're kicking Naniwa off the team. Naniwa had the grace to make a good statement about how he was actually excited and CoL could have just left it at that. Instead he comes in and trolls. It appears as if Naniwa LIED about Complexity and his situation. How you can see it as wrong that Jason was clarifying things is beyond me. Really? Naniwa lied that CoL had no plans to send anyone to Korea and the best Kyle can offer as a rebuttal is "we're sending one any week now." Sorry, that doesn't sound like great evidence. Also, Naniwa has been in Korea by himself for a long time now and clearly hasn't enjoyed himself. It doesn't surprise me that he doesn't find comfort in "just keep waiting an indeterminate number of weeks and we'll send you a buddy." And there's a difference between clarifying and clearly trying to start something. Jason Lake says Naniwa knew Trimaster would be coming. Nani said Col said NOBODY was coming for a long time. Seems to be clarifying to me, and obviously one side is lying. Considering Naniwa is a very skilled player who cannot manage to stay on a team would lead you to believe he has a terrible personality, even if you don't count his past from WC3 etc. Naniwa also lied about MLG, unless you believe him over Sundance. I don't want to offend Trimaster, but the fact is considering Naniwa's skill level Trimaster is a nobody. Yet it still makes Naniwa a liar. (if it is the actual situation)
Let's hold off on calling Naniwa a liar, till Trimaster gets some boots on the ground in Korea.
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On December 09 2011 07:16 sereniity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 07:09 Mordiford wrote:On December 09 2011 07:06 Klondikebar wrote:On December 09 2011 07:02 Zalithian wrote:On December 09 2011 07:01 Klondikebar wrote:On December 09 2011 06:58 Mordiford wrote:On December 09 2011 06:53 Klondikebar wrote:On December 09 2011 06:49 pPingu wrote:On December 09 2011 06:46 Klondikebar wrote:On December 09 2011 06:43 farvacola wrote:
Quite frankly, Jason Lake's statement makes coL look petty, Naniwa hwaiting! It definitely sheds some light on why Stephano just walked away from the team. Really?... The situation with stephano was in now way col fault. Jason is a great guy, don't shit on him for no reason Did you read what he said on reddit? "We're sending TriMaster to Korea any week now and Johan is well aware of that. I'm not going to get into a public argument and wish him the very best but this was a one way decision. His contract was being sold (to Quantic or someone else) whether he approved or not." Which translates to: I don't want to say anything bad, but I'm going to proceed to say that we don't care what our players want. Or he was STRONGLY implying that Naniwa had pissed off the team. Either way, he was getting into a public argument in the very statement where he said he didn't want to. And terse little laws like "whether he approved or not" imply a management style of which I don't approve. I don't see how he said, "We don't care what our players want". That's some pretty crazy extrapolation from something that isn't event hinted at. He does plainly state that Naniwa is not being entirely honest about no future English speaking teammates coming to Korea, I see no problem with calling someone who is lying to make themselves look better provided that is the case, we aren't sure. The second was a pretty clear statement that they were going to remove him from the team and were looking to do so, effectively suggested he was being "kicked out" in a sense. Considering his history, I'm sort of leaning towards Complexity's side but it seems they didn't know what they were getting into despite Odee briefing them on what to expect. All I read was a guy who tried to set himself up on a pedestal but then couldn't resist taking a jab at Naniwa anyway. And given the tone of both of their statements, I'm going to side with Naniwa. Kyle says they were going to send a player "any week now" which doesn't sound terribly concrete. And fine, they're kicking Naniwa off the team. Naniwa had the grace to make a good statement about how he was actually excited and CoL could have just left it at that. Instead he comes in and trolls. It appears as if Naniwa LIED about Complexity and his situation. How you can see it as wrong that Jason was clarifying things is beyond me. Really? Naniwa lied that CoL had no plans to send anyone to Korea and the best Kyle can offer as a rebuttal is "we're sending one any week now." Sorry, that doesn't sound like great evidence. Also, Naniwa has been in Korea by himself for a long time now and clearly hasn't enjoyed himself. It doesn't surprise me that he doesn't find comfort in "just keep waiting an indeterminate number of weeks and we'll send you a buddy." And there's a difference between clarifying and clearly trying to start something. Erm, I'm pretty sure Drewbie was there for 6 weeks, it's not like he's been alone for an eternity. Provided TriMaster is actually sent to Korea within the next few weeks, there's no reason to believe this is them fumbling around Naniwa's statements to make him look bad, Naniwa doesn't have the greatest history in this regard anyway, it's not like Complexity would have to really try to make him look bad. Lets say Naniwa knew about TriMaster coming, how much would that help really? Trimaster? Not to be bashing on him but I'd say Naniwa is way above his level, don't see how him or Drewbie could make him a better player. SaSe on the other hand...
Wasn't his complaint that he felt lonely, and not that he had nobody to play with?
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On December 09 2011 07:02 milky_muh wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 06:57 Zalithian wrote:On December 09 2011 06:56 milky_muh wrote:On December 09 2011 06:53 ZwuckeL wrote:
why has noone seen this coming? i would have thought everyone has seen it coming, after the fact of nani bm'ing so hard at MLG and putting coL in a very awkward position Hahaha, who/what did he BM? :D I don't know. Major League Gaming, probably the best SC2 tournament in the world, or at least outside Korea. Nestea, one of the most respected players in Korea and the world? I may have missed if he flamed MLG tournament, but he certainly didnt flame or BM nestea. Its just you people who want a reason to hate him. He said several times after the interview about winning MLG invitational, that he did not disrespect any of the other players etc etc.
You have no idea what you're talking about.  Did you watch MLG Providence? Obviously not or you would know that he did, indeed, BM NesTea and the tournament itself. Please stop posting for a bit.
I find it funny that people choose to rabidly, zealously defend Nani and cast a bunch of down on JLake's statements, even when given Nani's history. People see what they want to see I suppose.
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On December 09 2011 07:14 Zalithian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 07:14 Sfydjklm wrote:On December 09 2011 07:10 Zalithian wrote:On December 09 2011 07:06 Klondikebar wrote:On December 09 2011 07:02 Zalithian wrote:On December 09 2011 07:01 Klondikebar wrote:On December 09 2011 06:58 Mordiford wrote:On December 09 2011 06:53 Klondikebar wrote:On December 09 2011 06:49 pPingu wrote:On December 09 2011 06:46 Klondikebar wrote:
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It definitely sheds some light on why Stephano just walked away from the team. Really?... The situation with stephano was in now way col fault. Jason is a great guy, don't shit on him for no reason Did you read what he said on reddit? "We're sending TriMaster to Korea any week now and Johan is well aware of that. I'm not going to get into a public argument and wish him the very best but this was a one way decision. His contract was being sold (to Quantic or someone else) whether he approved or not." Which translates to: I don't want to say anything bad, but I'm going to proceed to say that we don't care what our players want. Or he was STRONGLY implying that Naniwa had pissed off the team. Either way, he was getting into a public argument in the very statement where he said he didn't want to. And terse little laws like "whether he approved or not" imply a management style of which I don't approve. I don't see how he said, "We don't care what our players want". That's some pretty crazy extrapolation from something that isn't event hinted at. He does plainly state that Naniwa is not being entirely honest about no future English speaking teammates coming to Korea, I see no problem with calling someone who is lying to make themselves look better provided that is the case, we aren't sure. The second was a pretty clear statement that they were going to remove him from the team and were looking to do so, effectively suggested he was being "kicked out" in a sense. Considering his history, I'm sort of leaning towards Complexity's side but it seems they didn't know what they were getting into despite Odee briefing them on what to expect. All I read was a guy who tried to set himself up on a pedestal but then couldn't resist taking a jab at Naniwa anyway. And given the tone of both of their statements, I'm going to side with Naniwa. Kyle says they were going to send a player "any week now" which doesn't sound terribly concrete. And fine, they're kicking Naniwa off the team. Naniwa had the grace to make a good statement about how he was actually excited and CoL could have just left it at that. Instead he comes in and trolls. It appears as if Naniwa LIED about Complexity and his situation. How you can see it as wrong that Jason was clarifying things is beyond me. Really? Naniwa lied that CoL had no plans to send anyone to Korea and the best Kyle can offer as a rebuttal is "we're sending one any week now." Sorry, that doesn't sound like great evidence. Also, Naniwa has been in Korea by himself for a long time now and clearly hasn't enjoyed himself. It doesn't surprise me that he doesn't find comfort in "just keep waiting an indeterminate number of weeks and we'll send you a buddy." And there's a difference between clarifying and clearly trying to start something. Jason Lake says Naniwa knew Trimaster would be coming. Nani said Col said NOBODY was coming for a long time. Seems to be clarifying to me, and obviously one side is lying. Considering Naniwa is a very skilled player who cannot manage to stay on a team would lead you to believe he has a terrible personality, even if you don't count his past from WC3 etc. Naniwa also lied about MLG, unless you believe him over Sundance. I don't want to offend Trimaster, but the fact is considering Naniwa's skill level Trimaster is a nobody. Yet it still makes Naniwa a liar. (if it is the actual situation)
You seem to have a very negative outlook on everything happening whenever Naniwa is involved. You could even view it as mannered.
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My first reaction was.. well, everyone's first reaction I'm sure. Not much point in looking for drama really however, what with the official statements in front of us and such. Deeds not words and all that. Looking forward to some of those from you at Quantic Nani, gl hf!
As for coL, well, I don't care. They're bringing ROOT back, that's good enough for me. Man we have a lot of transferring going on though. End of the year thing I guess, but still ><
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On December 09 2011 07:15 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 07:12 Klondikebar wrote:On December 09 2011 07:09 mki wrote:On December 09 2011 07:07 Condor Hero wrote:
Lol Complexity amazes me.
First off, they came late to the Starcraft scene, so you can't really be too choosy about which players you sign. As long as they produce results, they bring your sponsors recognition.
Say what you will about Naniwa, but he's a world class player who is a legitimate Ace against any team on the planet. Nani is a legit favorite in just about any tournament he enters and at the moment, the only foreigner in Code S.
2nd what part of Naniwa being a headcase did Complexity not understand when they signed him? Did they make any revelations in the past few months?
3rd why would you advertise you don't give a fuck about his opinion and he didn't have a say in the matter? Is that a good decision? There's a reason why EG didn't go after NaNiwa Probably because EG doesn't want pre-written contracts, they want to negotiate their own. Alex Garfield has stated before that they didn't want Naniwa because he's not marketable. Naniwa's one of the few pros, I'd say, who actually has a negative image. People like him in spite of his personality, not because, and it's not like he's particularly "faceless" either (like a lot of the Korean pros who can't interact well with their fans due to language barriers).
EG also has some pretty high standards when it comes to what's marketable. Huk, IdrA, and iNcontroL (hate him or love him) have some of the most widely recognized personalities in Starcraft 2. So I think I agree with you.
I honestly don't have a negative image of Naniwa so I'll have to disagree with you there though. I think people want him to be a BM-er so they take a lot of what he says out of context. The dude loves Starcraft and plays amazing games. I like him.
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On December 09 2011 07:14 Zalithian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 07:14 Sfydjklm wrote:On December 09 2011 07:10 Zalithian wrote:On December 09 2011 07:06 Klondikebar wrote:On December 09 2011 07:02 Zalithian wrote:On December 09 2011 07:01 Klondikebar wrote:On December 09 2011 06:58 Mordiford wrote:On December 09 2011 06:53 Klondikebar wrote:On December 09 2011 06:49 pPingu wrote:On December 09 2011 06:46 Klondikebar wrote:
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It definitely sheds some light on why Stephano just walked away from the team. Really?... The situation with stephano was in now way col fault. Jason is a great guy, don't shit on him for no reason Did you read what he said on reddit? "We're sending TriMaster to Korea any week now and Johan is well aware of that. I'm not going to get into a public argument and wish him the very best but this was a one way decision. His contract was being sold (to Quantic or someone else) whether he approved or not." Which translates to: I don't want to say anything bad, but I'm going to proceed to say that we don't care what our players want. Or he was STRONGLY implying that Naniwa had pissed off the team. Either way, he was getting into a public argument in the very statement where he said he didn't want to. And terse little laws like "whether he approved or not" imply a management style of which I don't approve. I don't see how he said, "We don't care what our players want". That's some pretty crazy extrapolation from something that isn't event hinted at. He does plainly state that Naniwa is not being entirely honest about no future English speaking teammates coming to Korea, I see no problem with calling someone who is lying to make themselves look better provided that is the case, we aren't sure. The second was a pretty clear statement that they were going to remove him from the team and were looking to do so, effectively suggested he was being "kicked out" in a sense. Considering his history, I'm sort of leaning towards Complexity's side but it seems they didn't know what they were getting into despite Odee briefing them on what to expect. All I read was a guy who tried to set himself up on a pedestal but then couldn't resist taking a jab at Naniwa anyway. And given the tone of both of their statements, I'm going to side with Naniwa. Kyle says they were going to send a player "any week now" which doesn't sound terribly concrete. And fine, they're kicking Naniwa off the team. Naniwa had the grace to make a good statement about how he was actually excited and CoL could have just left it at that. Instead he comes in and trolls. It appears as if Naniwa LIED about Complexity and his situation. How you can see it as wrong that Jason was clarifying things is beyond me. Really? Naniwa lied that CoL had no plans to send anyone to Korea and the best Kyle can offer as a rebuttal is "we're sending one any week now." Sorry, that doesn't sound like great evidence. Also, Naniwa has been in Korea by himself for a long time now and clearly hasn't enjoyed himself. It doesn't surprise me that he doesn't find comfort in "just keep waiting an indeterminate number of weeks and we'll send you a buddy." And there's a difference between clarifying and clearly trying to start something. Jason Lake says Naniwa knew Trimaster would be coming. Nani said Col said NOBODY was coming for a long time. Seems to be clarifying to me, and obviously one side is lying. Considering Naniwa is a very skilled player who cannot manage to stay on a team would lead you to believe he has a terrible personality, even if you don't count his past from WC3 etc. Naniwa also lied about MLG, unless you believe him over Sundance. I don't want to offend Trimaster, but the fact is considering Naniwa's skill level Trimaster is a nobody. Yet it still makes Naniwa a liar. (if it is the actual situation)
No it doesn't. Reading between the lines is a good skill toi have.
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I find it surprising coL would let Naniwa go so easily, never mind the idea that they'd actually want to get rid of him. I mean, their roster is pretty good for a non korean team and all but Naniwa was far and away their most accomplished player. Really big hit to coL and huge gain for quantic.
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also no offense but i doubt naniwa wanted to be in korea with someone like trimaster, naniwa want's to play with some of the best
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Hold on, Quantic have a partnership with ST now? Exams coming up so im not that updated 
Anyway, go Nani! Best of luck buddy.
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On December 09 2011 07:19 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 07:14 Zalithian wrote:On December 09 2011 07:14 Sfydjklm wrote:On December 09 2011 07:10 Zalithian wrote:On December 09 2011 07:06 Klondikebar wrote:On December 09 2011 07:02 Zalithian wrote:On December 09 2011 07:01 Klondikebar wrote:On December 09 2011 06:58 Mordiford wrote:On December 09 2011 06:53 Klondikebar wrote:On December 09 2011 06:49 pPingu wrote:
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Really?... The situation with stephano was in now way col fault.
Jason is a great guy, don't shit on him for no reason Did you read what he said on reddit? "We're sending TriMaster to Korea any week now and Johan is well aware of that. I'm not going to get into a public argument and wish him the very best but this was a one way decision. His contract was being sold (to Quantic or someone else) whether he approved or not." Which translates to: I don't want to say anything bad, but I'm going to proceed to say that we don't care what our players want. Or he was STRONGLY implying that Naniwa had pissed off the team. Either way, he was getting into a public argument in the very statement where he said he didn't want to. And terse little laws like "whether he approved or not" imply a management style of which I don't approve. I don't see how he said, "We don't care what our players want". That's some pretty crazy extrapolation from something that isn't event hinted at. He does plainly state that Naniwa is not being entirely honest about no future English speaking teammates coming to Korea, I see no problem with calling someone who is lying to make themselves look better provided that is the case, we aren't sure. The second was a pretty clear statement that they were going to remove him from the team and were looking to do so, effectively suggested he was being "kicked out" in a sense. Considering his history, I'm sort of leaning towards Complexity's side but it seems they didn't know what they were getting into despite Odee briefing them on what to expect. All I read was a guy who tried to set himself up on a pedestal but then couldn't resist taking a jab at Naniwa anyway. And given the tone of both of their statements, I'm going to side with Naniwa. Kyle says they were going to send a player "any week now" which doesn't sound terribly concrete. And fine, they're kicking Naniwa off the team. Naniwa had the grace to make a good statement about how he was actually excited and CoL could have just left it at that. Instead he comes in and trolls. It appears as if Naniwa LIED about Complexity and his situation. How you can see it as wrong that Jason was clarifying things is beyond me. Really? Naniwa lied that CoL had no plans to send anyone to Korea and the best Kyle can offer as a rebuttal is "we're sending one any week now." Sorry, that doesn't sound like great evidence. Also, Naniwa has been in Korea by himself for a long time now and clearly hasn't enjoyed himself. It doesn't surprise me that he doesn't find comfort in "just keep waiting an indeterminate number of weeks and we'll send you a buddy." And there's a difference between clarifying and clearly trying to start something. Jason Lake says Naniwa knew Trimaster would be coming. Nani said Col said NOBODY was coming for a long time. Seems to be clarifying to me, and obviously one side is lying. Considering Naniwa is a very skilled player who cannot manage to stay on a team would lead you to believe he has a terrible personality, even if you don't count his past from WC3 etc. Naniwa also lied about MLG, unless you believe him over Sundance. I don't want to offend Trimaster, but the fact is considering Naniwa's skill level Trimaster is a nobody. Yet it still makes Naniwa a liar. (if it is the actual situation) No it doesn't. Reading between the lines is a good skill toi have.
Jason says Naniwa knows Trimaster is coming to Korea soon.
Naniwa says Complexity wasn't sending any players to Korea for a long time.
Please explain "between the lines" instead of ad hominem.
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On December 09 2011 07:17 Zalithian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 07:16 sereniity wrote:On December 09 2011 07:09 Mordiford wrote:On December 09 2011 07:06 Klondikebar wrote:On December 09 2011 07:02 Zalithian wrote:On December 09 2011 07:01 Klondikebar wrote:On December 09 2011 06:58 Mordiford wrote:On December 09 2011 06:53 Klondikebar wrote:On December 09 2011 06:49 pPingu wrote:On December 09 2011 06:46 Klondikebar wrote:
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It definitely sheds some light on why Stephano just walked away from the team. Really?... The situation with stephano was in now way col fault. Jason is a great guy, don't shit on him for no reason Did you read what he said on reddit? "We're sending TriMaster to Korea any week now and Johan is well aware of that. I'm not going to get into a public argument and wish him the very best but this was a one way decision. His contract was being sold (to Quantic or someone else) whether he approved or not." Which translates to: I don't want to say anything bad, but I'm going to proceed to say that we don't care what our players want. Or he was STRONGLY implying that Naniwa had pissed off the team. Either way, he was getting into a public argument in the very statement where he said he didn't want to. And terse little laws like "whether he approved or not" imply a management style of which I don't approve. I don't see how he said, "We don't care what our players want". That's some pretty crazy extrapolation from something that isn't event hinted at. He does plainly state that Naniwa is not being entirely honest about no future English speaking teammates coming to Korea, I see no problem with calling someone who is lying to make themselves look better provided that is the case, we aren't sure. The second was a pretty clear statement that they were going to remove him from the team and were looking to do so, effectively suggested he was being "kicked out" in a sense. Considering his history, I'm sort of leaning towards Complexity's side but it seems they didn't know what they were getting into despite Odee briefing them on what to expect. All I read was a guy who tried to set himself up on a pedestal but then couldn't resist taking a jab at Naniwa anyway. And given the tone of both of their statements, I'm going to side with Naniwa. Kyle says they were going to send a player "any week now" which doesn't sound terribly concrete. And fine, they're kicking Naniwa off the team. Naniwa had the grace to make a good statement about how he was actually excited and CoL could have just left it at that. Instead he comes in and trolls. It appears as if Naniwa LIED about Complexity and his situation. How you can see it as wrong that Jason was clarifying things is beyond me. Really? Naniwa lied that CoL had no plans to send anyone to Korea and the best Kyle can offer as a rebuttal is "we're sending one any week now." Sorry, that doesn't sound like great evidence. Also, Naniwa has been in Korea by himself for a long time now and clearly hasn't enjoyed himself. It doesn't surprise me that he doesn't find comfort in "just keep waiting an indeterminate number of weeks and we'll send you a buddy." And there's a difference between clarifying and clearly trying to start something. Erm, I'm pretty sure Drewbie was there for 6 weeks, it's not like he's been alone for an eternity. Provided TriMaster is actually sent to Korea within the next few weeks, there's no reason to believe this is them fumbling around Naniwa's statements to make him look bad, Naniwa doesn't have the greatest history in this regard anyway, it's not like Complexity would have to really try to make him look bad. Lets say Naniwa knew about TriMaster coming, how much would that help really? Trimaster? Not to be bashing on him but I'd say Naniwa is way above his level, don't see how him or Drewbie could make him a better player. SaSe on the other hand... Wasn't his complaint that he felt lonely, and not that he had nobody to play with?
That's true, however I still think Naniwa is just way better off in Quantic. Sase is good for his skills, Trimaster isn't. CoL states that they're sending Trimaster over any WEEK now... any week as in weekS. That's just quite random, as somebody else said it seems that he's saying that just to make Naniwa look wrong.
HOWEVER, every single fucking thread that has been about something like this has ALWAYS ended up in something different from what everybody thought from the start so lets just WAIT. Lets see if Trimaster gets to Korea soon, lets see if there's any new statements coming etc. Then again I know people wont wait so this is all just useless shit that I'm writing t.t...
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Here's to hoping you have finally found your home. Good luck.
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On December 09 2011 07:21 Zalithian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 07:19 Sfydjklm wrote:On December 09 2011 07:14 Zalithian wrote:On December 09 2011 07:14 Sfydjklm wrote:On December 09 2011 07:10 Zalithian wrote:On December 09 2011 07:06 Klondikebar wrote:On December 09 2011 07:02 Zalithian wrote:On December 09 2011 07:01 Klondikebar wrote:On December 09 2011 06:58 Mordiford wrote:On December 09 2011 06:53 Klondikebar wrote:
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Did you read what he said on reddit?
"We're sending TriMaster to Korea any week now and Johan is well aware of that. I'm not going to get into a public argument and wish him the very best but this was a one way decision. His contract was being sold (to Quantic or someone else) whether he approved or not."
Which translates to: I don't want to say anything bad, but I'm going to proceed to say that we don't care what our players want. Or he was STRONGLY implying that Naniwa had pissed off the team. Either way, he was getting into a public argument in the very statement where he said he didn't want to. And terse little laws like "whether he approved or not" imply a management style of which I don't approve. I don't see how he said, "We don't care what our players want". That's some pretty crazy extrapolation from something that isn't event hinted at. He does plainly state that Naniwa is not being entirely honest about no future English speaking teammates coming to Korea, I see no problem with calling someone who is lying to make themselves look better provided that is the case, we aren't sure. The second was a pretty clear statement that they were going to remove him from the team and were looking to do so, effectively suggested he was being "kicked out" in a sense. Considering his history, I'm sort of leaning towards Complexity's side but it seems they didn't know what they were getting into despite Odee briefing them on what to expect. All I read was a guy who tried to set himself up on a pedestal but then couldn't resist taking a jab at Naniwa anyway. And given the tone of both of their statements, I'm going to side with Naniwa. Kyle says they were going to send a player "any week now" which doesn't sound terribly concrete. And fine, they're kicking Naniwa off the team. Naniwa had the grace to make a good statement about how he was actually excited and CoL could have just left it at that. Instead he comes in and trolls. It appears as if Naniwa LIED about Complexity and his situation. How you can see it as wrong that Jason was clarifying things is beyond me. Really? Naniwa lied that CoL had no plans to send anyone to Korea and the best Kyle can offer as a rebuttal is "we're sending one any week now." Sorry, that doesn't sound like great evidence. Also, Naniwa has been in Korea by himself for a long time now and clearly hasn't enjoyed himself. It doesn't surprise me that he doesn't find comfort in "just keep waiting an indeterminate number of weeks and we'll send you a buddy." And there's a difference between clarifying and clearly trying to start something. Jason Lake says Naniwa knew Trimaster would be coming. Nani said Col said NOBODY was coming for a long time. Seems to be clarifying to me, and obviously one side is lying. Considering Naniwa is a very skilled player who cannot manage to stay on a team would lead you to believe he has a terrible personality, even if you don't count his past from WC3 etc. Naniwa also lied about MLG, unless you believe him over Sundance. I don't want to offend Trimaster, but the fact is considering Naniwa's skill level Trimaster is a nobody. Yet it still makes Naniwa a liar. (if it is the actual situation) No it doesn't. Reading between the lines is a good skill toi have. Jason says Naniwa knows Trimaster is coming to Korea "soon". Naniwa says Complexity wasn't sending any players to Korea for a long time. Please explain "between the lines" instead of ad hominem.
That was easy.
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