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Kamikiri
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1319 Posts
December 08 2011 22:35 GMT
#461
So many people hating on Naniwa, I haven't read the full story except what naniwa said and I wish him & Both team involved the best.
ladyumbra
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada1699 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 22:37:17
December 08 2011 22:35 GMT
#462
On December 09 2011 06:33 Jebotres wrote:
From Jason Lake on reddit:

Show nested quote +
We're sending TriMaster to Korea any week now and Johan is well aware of that. I'm not going to get into a public argument and wish him the very best but this was a one way decision. His contract was being sold (to Quantic or someone else) whether he approved or not.


For all the championing complexity did of Naniwa ( especially when undeserved hate was thrown his way) while he was briefly on the team I respected them because it couldn't have been easy. Complexity stood by him however and he performed better for them than most teams could dream of and against opponents that meant something.

This though, this thinly veiled "oh we're so fucking glad to be rid of him" I do not respect. If complexity is indeed sending players to Korea and Naniwa misrepresented that then you find a classy way to contradict him and you don't add on a comment about how you were definitely looking to get rid of him to whomever you could regardless of how he feels about it.

I'm failing to see any excellence, professionalism, dedication or loyalty in how you are choosing to handle this situation. From this point on I don't see myself supporting complexity, some of the players who wear the colmvp jersey yes but the company and team itself have lost my interest, my money and my support. You are professionals, you know how to PR better than this and you should really be being the bigger person here. *

* paraphrased from reddit post I made in response over there*
Tsuki.eu
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal1049 Posts
December 08 2011 22:35 GMT
#463
=o im surprised.
Marou
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1371 Posts
December 08 2011 22:35 GMT
#464
Nooo naniwa please don't stay with Quantic to long i love to see you switching team all the time it's your hallmark <3

Bad manners, team switching, coldness in itw, that's how i like you, even if it's not you real personality you have been building a nice character around your nickname :D
twitter@RickyMarou
Shinta)
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1716 Posts
December 08 2011 22:36 GMT
#465
This
is
AWESOME!
Suteki Da Ne 素敵だね Isn't it Wonderful
Deadeight
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1629 Posts
December 08 2011 22:36 GMT
#466
Congratulations to Naniwa for finding a team (hopefully) more suited to him. GL.
Angelbelow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3728 Posts
December 08 2011 22:36 GMT
#467
On December 09 2011 07:28 bgx wrote:
poor col first steph now nani


Big difference between the two situations. Nani's contract was sold by coL after coL approached QxG to see if they were interested.
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sereniity
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Sweden1159 Posts
December 08 2011 22:36 GMT
#468
On December 09 2011 07:31 mordk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 07:24 sereniity wrote:
On December 09 2011 07:17 IPA wrote:
On December 09 2011 07:02 milky_muh wrote:
On December 09 2011 06:57 Zalithian wrote:
On December 09 2011 06:56 milky_muh wrote:
On December 09 2011 06:53 ZwuckeL wrote:
why has noone seen this coming? i would have thought everyone has seen it coming, after the fact of nani bm'ing so hard at MLG and putting coL in a very awkward position

Hahaha, who/what did he BM? :D


I don't know. Major League Gaming, probably the best SC2 tournament in the world, or at least outside Korea. Nestea, one of the most respected players in Korea and the world?


I may have missed if he flamed MLG tournament, but he certainly didnt flame or BM nestea. Its just you people who want a reason to hate him. He said several times after the interview about winning MLG invitational, that he did not disrespect any of the other players etc etc.


You have no idea what you're talking about. Did you watch MLG Providence? Obviously not or you would know that he did, indeed, BM NesTea and the tournament itself. Please stop posting for a bit.

I find it funny that people choose to rabidly, zealously defend Nani and cast a bunch of down on JLake's statements, even when given Nani's history. People see what they want to see I suppose.


What a bullshit post...

It's okay when MC does his bullshit ceremonies, or when MMA does a kamehameha at IdrA?

It seems that YOU have no idea what YOU'RE talking about. Nestea told Naniwa BEFORE the game PERSONALLY that he would CRUSH him. It was all friendly shit Naniwa did to him and he even stated after that he respected him alot, Nestea mentioned Naniwa in a interview afterwards.

I find it funny that people choose to rabidly, zealously flame Nani and cast a bunch of down on his behaviour, even when he's getting better in terms of personality. People see what they want to see I suppose.

Please stop posting for a bit.

Sigh... I'm not gonna refer to Nani's incident in particular, but I always like to address this issue.

When a player does a Kamehameha, or does a funny throat slash then proceeds to high-five the crowd when winning, or does a murloc dance, it's just a silly ceremony for the fans. It's for the fan's enjoyment.

When a player openly bashes someone, flips the middle finger at someone, etc, that's just to cause anger, basically BM.

It's extremely different situations, in extremely different contexts. The latter just shows how little most foreigner players know of showmanship in comparison to their korean counterparts, probably because the korean scene as a whole is so experienced at being public, again in comparison to the foreigners.


NO.

Kamehameha at someones booth, isn't that just as bad as doing thumbs down?

MC pounded on DRGs booth in the GSTL.

IdrA already said he was playing along with MC when he flipped his finger. If you take the finger flipping so seriously then perhaps you should do the same with the throat slash. Lemme act like you for a sec here...

OMG MC DID THROAT SLASH TO IDRA? HE WANTS TO KILL HIM IRL WTF.

Given how socially awkward Naniwa is you can't expect his "ceremony" to look super natural as all the koreans do in their ceremonies.

First everybody thinks Naniwa is boring and bland.

He does something funny, gets flamed!

That's the SC2 community for you...

look at what Losira does at the start. That's basically what Naniwa did to Nestea...
"I am Day9, Holy shit!"
Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
December 08 2011 22:36 GMT
#469
On December 09 2011 07:35 stokes17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 07:31 leperphilliac wrote:
Damnit I wish we had real e-sports journalists to get into what really happened. Either Jason Lake is a douche (unlikely) or Naniwa highly offended the team somehow (how?).

or Naniwa wanted a team that was focused on Korea and could provide him with not only companionship but also high level practice partners. Something that Col., objectively, could not do?

Yall just can't even consider a non epeen drama filled scenario can you ? >_>


Erm, how could coL objectively not do that? They have a partnership with MVP which would offer some of the best possible practice partners. I wouldn't agree at all with your "objective" assessment.
RyanRushia
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2748 Posts
December 08 2011 22:38 GMT
#470
best of luck johan... miss you my friend!
I saw the angel in the marble and carved until I set him free. | coL.Ryan | www.twitter.com/coL_RyanR
tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
December 08 2011 22:38 GMT
#471
I think in the interview at MLG he said the good thing about CoL was only provide place or something for him. And I think he forgot to mention other stuffs.
Kinda sad for him but glad for his new choice with SaSe.

Hope they announce the total transfer fee.
Darksteel
Profile Joined October 2010
Finland319 Posts
December 08 2011 22:38 GMT
#472
People tend to give Naniwa too much shit. There was no big incident with Nestea, if people would just bother to watch all the interviews instead of forming their opinions from reddit. If pro players don't get frustrated by their losses they just don't care enough. Its not like hockey players get extensive shit if they get into a fight. Naniwa is making sacrifices by living in korea to become the best and I hope Quantic can support him well. Good luck in new team !
Sneakyz
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2361 Posts
December 08 2011 22:39 GMT
#473
On December 09 2011 07:36 sereniity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 07:31 mordk wrote:
On December 09 2011 07:24 sereniity wrote:
On December 09 2011 07:17 IPA wrote:
On December 09 2011 07:02 milky_muh wrote:
On December 09 2011 06:57 Zalithian wrote:
On December 09 2011 06:56 milky_muh wrote:
On December 09 2011 06:53 ZwuckeL wrote:
why has noone seen this coming? i would have thought everyone has seen it coming, after the fact of nani bm'ing so hard at MLG and putting coL in a very awkward position

Hahaha, who/what did he BM? :D


I don't know. Major League Gaming, probably the best SC2 tournament in the world, or at least outside Korea. Nestea, one of the most respected players in Korea and the world?


I may have missed if he flamed MLG tournament, but he certainly didnt flame or BM nestea. Its just you people who want a reason to hate him. He said several times after the interview about winning MLG invitational, that he did not disrespect any of the other players etc etc.


You have no idea what you're talking about. Did you watch MLG Providence? Obviously not or you would know that he did, indeed, BM NesTea and the tournament itself. Please stop posting for a bit.

I find it funny that people choose to rabidly, zealously defend Nani and cast a bunch of down on JLake's statements, even when given Nani's history. People see what they want to see I suppose.


What a bullshit post...

It's okay when MC does his bullshit ceremonies, or when MMA does a kamehameha at IdrA?

It seems that YOU have no idea what YOU'RE talking about. Nestea told Naniwa BEFORE the game PERSONALLY that he would CRUSH him. It was all friendly shit Naniwa did to him and he even stated after that he respected him alot, Nestea mentioned Naniwa in a interview afterwards.

I find it funny that people choose to rabidly, zealously flame Nani and cast a bunch of down on his behaviour, even when he's getting better in terms of personality. People see what they want to see I suppose.

Please stop posting for a bit.

Sigh... I'm not gonna refer to Nani's incident in particular, but I always like to address this issue.

When a player does a Kamehameha, or does a funny throat slash then proceeds to high-five the crowd when winning, or does a murloc dance, it's just a silly ceremony for the fans. It's for the fan's enjoyment.

When a player openly bashes someone, flips the middle finger at someone, etc, that's just to cause anger, basically BM.

It's extremely different situations, in extremely different contexts. The latter just shows how little most foreigner players know of showmanship in comparison to their korean counterparts, probably because the korean scene as a whole is so experienced at being public, again in comparison to the foreigners.


NO.

Kamehameha at someones booth, isn't that just as bad as doing thumbs down?

MC pounded on DRGs booth in the GSTL.

IdrA already said he was playing along with MC when he flipped his finger. If you take the finger flipping so seriously then perhaps you should do the same with the throat slash. Lemme act like you for a sec here...

OMG MC DID THROAT SLASH TO IDRA? HE WANTS TO KILL HIM IRL WTF.

Given how socially awkward Naniwa is you can't expect his "ceremony" to look super natural as all the koreans do in their ceremonies.

First everybody thinks Naniwa is boring and bland.

He does something funny, gets flamed!

That's the SC2 community for you...

I think the most funny thing about this "OMG Naniwa BM'd Nestea!!!!! is that during the Korea vs World event, White-ra thumbs-down MC. And NOONE said anything about that.
I have found the Iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But two hundred pounds is always two hundred pounds.
kineSiS-
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Korea (South)1068 Posts
December 08 2011 22:39 GMT
#474
I have seen this line way too many times...

"he does not share the core values of compLexity and felt it was best for both parties to part ways."
Nadarath
Profile Joined July 2011
98 Posts
December 08 2011 22:41 GMT
#475
On December 09 2011 07:26 NeWeNiyaLord wrote:
Oh and for all people looking for a reason to hate him, he never bm'ed Nestea...........

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=286835&currentpage=653#13047

He's response to that, also the fact is it was ARTOSIS, who gave everybody the idea that Nani bm'ed nestea.
HE also was the one to tell Nestea false information!!


And like we all know there is no bigger Nestea fanboy than Artosis.
Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
December 08 2011 22:41 GMT
#476
On December 09 2011 07:39 kineSiS- wrote:
I have seen this line way too many times...

"he does not share the core values of compLexity and felt it was best for both parties to part ways."


Teams do this all the time, it's the easiest way to let loose a player without delving too deep or making an issue of it.

"He doesn't share our core values" , "His goals no longer line up with our own" etc.

mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 22:49:36
December 08 2011 22:41 GMT
#477
On December 09 2011 07:36 sereniity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 07:31 mordk wrote:
On December 09 2011 07:24 sereniity wrote:
On December 09 2011 07:17 IPA wrote:
On December 09 2011 07:02 milky_muh wrote:
On December 09 2011 06:57 Zalithian wrote:
On December 09 2011 06:56 milky_muh wrote:
On December 09 2011 06:53 ZwuckeL wrote:
why has noone seen this coming? i would have thought everyone has seen it coming, after the fact of nani bm'ing so hard at MLG and putting coL in a very awkward position

Hahaha, who/what did he BM? :D


I don't know. Major League Gaming, probably the best SC2 tournament in the world, or at least outside Korea. Nestea, one of the most respected players in Korea and the world?


I may have missed if he flamed MLG tournament, but he certainly didnt flame or BM nestea. Its just you people who want a reason to hate him. He said several times after the interview about winning MLG invitational, that he did not disrespect any of the other players etc etc.


You have no idea what you're talking about. Did you watch MLG Providence? Obviously not or you would know that he did, indeed, BM NesTea and the tournament itself. Please stop posting for a bit.

I find it funny that people choose to rabidly, zealously defend Nani and cast a bunch of down on JLake's statements, even when given Nani's history. People see what they want to see I suppose.


What a bullshit post...

It's okay when MC does his bullshit ceremonies, or when MMA does a kamehameha at IdrA?

It seems that YOU have no idea what YOU'RE talking about. Nestea told Naniwa BEFORE the game PERSONALLY that he would CRUSH him. It was all friendly shit Naniwa did to him and he even stated after that he respected him alot, Nestea mentioned Naniwa in a interview afterwards.

I find it funny that people choose to rabidly, zealously flame Nani and cast a bunch of down on his behaviour, even when he's getting better in terms of personality. People see what they want to see I suppose.

Please stop posting for a bit.

Sigh... I'm not gonna refer to Nani's incident in particular, but I always like to address this issue.

When a player does a Kamehameha, or does a funny throat slash then proceeds to high-five the crowd when winning, or does a murloc dance, it's just a silly ceremony for the fans. It's for the fan's enjoyment.

When a player openly bashes someone, flips the middle finger at someone, etc, that's just to cause anger, basically BM.

It's extremely different situations, in extremely different contexts. The latter just shows how little most foreigner players know of showmanship in comparison to their korean counterparts, probably because the korean scene as a whole is so experienced at being public, again in comparison to the foreigners.


NO.

Kamehameha at someones booth, isn't that just as bad as doing thumbs down?

MC pounded on DRGs booth in the GSTL.

IdrA already said he was playing along with MC when he flipped his finger. If you take the finger flipping so seriously then perhaps you should do the same with the throat slash. Lemme act like you for a sec here...

OMG MC DID THROAT SLASH TO IDRA? HE WANTS TO KILL HIM IRL WTF.

Given how socially awkward Naniwa is you can't expect his "ceremony" to look super natural as all the koreans do in their ceremonies.


-Ehm.. I don't think either thumbs down or kamehameha is bad, which is why I SPECIFICALLY STATED I'M NOT REFERRING TO THE NANI INCIDENT, please learn how to read.
-I think MC's throat slash is totally fine, it was to rouse the audience, nothing more, please don't put words in my mouth (or rather, my posts), meanwhile, I think Idra's flipoffs, particularly the Huk one, are just bad.
-I think MC booth pounding was pretty bad and overly BM, not his usual, funny ceremony.

Fuck I'm having real trouble quoting lol
Amlitzer
Profile Joined August 2010
United States471 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 22:43:16
December 08 2011 22:42 GMT
#478
I wonder if this has anything to do with the "BM" Nani showed towards DRG at the last mlg? I wouldn't be surprised if the reason Quantic gaming ended their partnership so soon with IM is because they needed the funds to afford Nani's contract. This is all good news for Quantic, but terrible for Complexity as now the only player they have that I care about at all is QXC.

I forgot to mention, what is the count now at with Nani's team switching in comparison to Major? I bet he is closing the gap between them.
"Not even justice, I want to get truth!"
stokes17
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1411 Posts
December 08 2011 22:42 GMT
#479
On December 09 2011 07:36 Mordiford wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 07:35 stokes17 wrote:
On December 09 2011 07:31 leperphilliac wrote:
Damnit I wish we had real e-sports journalists to get into what really happened. Either Jason Lake is a douche (unlikely) or Naniwa highly offended the team somehow (how?).

or Naniwa wanted a team that was focused on Korea and could provide him with not only companionship but also high level practice partners. Something that Col., objectively, could not do?

Yall just can't even consider a non epeen drama filled scenario can you ? >_>


Erm, how could coL objectively not do that? They have a partnership with MVP which would offer some of the best possible practice partners. I wouldn't agree at all with your "objective" assessment.


He said he was lonely....

trimaster would fulfill half of the equation by speaking english (although I'm pretty sure they aren't close the way nani and sase are) But Trimaster is objectively not on the level of naniwa

I didn't mean Korean practice partners (players practice with guys on other teams all the time that's not the issue)I meant other high level players who you can also communicate and connect with, and objectively Col. Doesn't have those kind of players. Naniwa is a Code S level Protoss, no one on Col. is close. Sase on the other hand is.
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8735 Posts
December 08 2011 22:42 GMT
#480
I think bming nestea = beating the "Zergking" for some people here... insane that some people still want to beat that dead horse again. gl to nani in his new team.
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
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