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On November 17 2011 12:26 GMonster wrote:
there were things like this in wc3, you got banned for using if it uses the client (sc2) in any way.
cheating.
Good chance anyone using can get banned.
lmao. It's like people aren't even reading the OP or bothering to look at the actual program. It's just a TIMER. It's like having a clock next to you, or a friend sitting next to you to tell you every 32 seconds that you should creep inject. Nothing to do with the SC2 client, and there's no way for Blizzard to ever find out. And once again, who the fuck cares. It's just a clock.
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On November 17 2011 12:29 Mohdoo wrote:
This is cheating.
Proof:
If you are using this, you are using it because you think it will help your play.
If you are using this in a mirror match, and the other guy is not, by the logic you have already used, you have an advantage.
QED.
What if it's not a mirror match? QED
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On November 17 2011 12:32 Kiett wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2011 12:26 GMonster wrote:
there were things like this in wc3, you got banned for using if it uses the client (sc2) in any way.
cheating.
Good chance anyone using can get banned. lmao. It's like people aren't even reading the OP or bothering to look at the actual program. It's just a TIMER. It's like having a clock next to you, or a friend sitting next to you to tell you every 32 seconds that you should creep inject. Nothing to do with the SC2 client, and there's no way for Blizzard to ever find out. And once again, who the fuck cares. It's just a clock.
Having a friend next to you in a booth at a tourney and telling you your timings would definitely be cheating. Remembering your timings - even ones as minor as inject larva - is a huge part of sc2, and a 3rd party program that gives an uneven advantage in that area, regardless of skill, is cheating. End of story. You can argue about the scale of the cheating, or whether you can get away with it, but it remains cheating.
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On November 17 2011 12:03 anonymitylol wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2011 12:00 Fruscainte wrote:On November 17 2011 11:59 anonymitylol wrote:On November 17 2011 11:59 WuK wrote:
It sounds awesome, but Blizzard has always been pretty unforgiving regarding any tiers software that would create a disadvantage to the player not using it so you should probably be aware that you might get banned if they don't like it. If I were you i would post on the official forums to ask if you can use it or not if you don't want to get an unintended ban. Uh, how would Blizzard know if you're running a program that doesn't change anything about the SC2 client at all? You're using a Third Party program to give yourself an unfair advantage. Once again: How will Blizzard know? They won't, is what I'm trying to say. Are you going to e-mail Blizzard and tell them you're using that program? They can only track programs that actually modify the SC2 client (MPQ editors, etc.)
Just because they won't find out, doesn't mean it's wrong. Go for it, use the program for practice. If you really love the game and want to have fun, you won't use the program on ladder or tournament matches.
Besides, how hard is it to tap 4, tap 5, go back to what you were doing, tap 4, tap 5, repeat.
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I do think that this is cheating slightly, however I don't think that there is anything anybody can do about it. Blizzard could try to set up Warden (their anti-cheating software) to handle it, however I doubt this.
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MBS and automine is cheating.
User was warned for this post
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On November 17 2011 12:34 Oreo7 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2011 12:32 Kiett wrote:On November 17 2011 12:26 GMonster wrote:
there were things like this in wc3, you got banned for using if it uses the client (sc2) in any way.
cheating.
Good chance anyone using can get banned. lmao. It's like people aren't even reading the OP or bothering to look at the actual program. It's just a TIMER. It's like having a clock next to you, or a friend sitting next to you to tell you every 32 seconds that you should creep inject. Nothing to do with the SC2 client, and there's no way for Blizzard to ever find out. And once again, who the fuck cares. It's just a clock. Having a friend next to you in a booth at a tourney and telling you your timings would definitely be cheating. Remembering your timings - even ones as minor as inject larva - is a huge part of sc2, and a 3rd party program that gives an uneven advantage in that area, regardless of skill, is cheating. End of story. You can argue about the scale of the cheating, or whether you can get away with it, but it remains cheating.
Although I don't support the used of this software, I don't think you define cheating correctly. Sure, there are a lot of things you can't use in a tournament booth. Like skype. or alt tabbing to check your email. Does that influence your game play? sure. on skype your friend might say something like "lol cheese him", and of course that affects your game play.
just because you have it running parallel to the game doesn't mean it's cheating. doesn't mean i advocate it's use either. I don't think this is how you learn inject timings; if anything, it'll make it worse. Kind of like how some pro players talk about learning to use the minimap cues by playing with the game sound off, rather than design a software that blow fireworks on your screen every time the game says "your x is under attack"
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If you have to use this in a tourney, you shouldn't be in the tourney. Same as if you need someone to set next to you and tell you what to do, you shouldn't be there.
How many people have been in a ladder match and a mate has said oh you missed that? OMG Filthy cheaters.
This doesn't interact with the SC2 client in anyway. I could construct an elaborate pendulum system to hit me in the head precisely every 32 seconds and it would accomplish the same thing.
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On November 17 2011 12:39 KaRnaGe[cF] wrote:
MBS and automine is cheating.
those are features everyone has access to.
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I think this is probably bad if you hope to get good at injecting, instead of learning the timing you will just learn to react to the alert. Unless you expect to use that forever I don't really see the point.
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On November 17 2011 12:40 CrimsnDragn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2011 12:34 Oreo7 wrote:On November 17 2011 12:32 Kiett wrote:On November 17 2011 12:26 GMonster wrote:
there were things like this in wc3, you got banned for using if it uses the client (sc2) in any way.
cheating.
Good chance anyone using can get banned. lmao. It's like people aren't even reading the OP or bothering to look at the actual program. It's just a TIMER. It's like having a clock next to you, or a friend sitting next to you to tell you every 32 seconds that you should creep inject. Nothing to do with the SC2 client, and there's no way for Blizzard to ever find out. And once again, who the fuck cares. It's just a clock. Having a friend next to you in a booth at a tourney and telling you your timings would definitely be cheating. Remembering your timings - even ones as minor as inject larva - is a huge part of sc2, and a 3rd party program that gives an uneven advantage in that area, regardless of skill, is cheating. End of story. You can argue about the scale of the cheating, or whether you can get away with it, but it remains cheating. Although I don't support the used of this software, I don't think you define cheating correctly. Sure, there are a lot of things you can't use in a tournament booth. Like skype. or alt tabbing to check your email. Does that influence your game play? sure. on skype your friend might say something like "lol cheese him", and of course that affects your game play. just because you have it running parallel to the game doesn't mean it's cheating. doesn't mean i advocate it's use either. I don't think this is how you learn inject timings; if anything, it'll make it worse. Kind of like how some pro players talk about learning to use the minimap cues by playing with the game sound off, rather than design a software that blow fireworks on your screen every time the game says "your x is under attack"
Huge difference between a timer that makes you land your injects and a friend on skype saying "lol cheese him". One gives an uneven advantage, another just makes you change your strategy, which if you read my post, is what I defined as cheating - something that gives an uneven advantage to a player regardless of skill.
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On November 17 2011 12:41 VarnishedOtter wrote:
If you have to use this in a tourney, you shouldn't be in the tourney. Same as if you need someone to set next to you and tell you what to do, you shouldn't be there.
How many people have been in a ladder match and a mate has said oh you missed that? OMG Filthy cheaters.
This doesn't interact with the SC2 client in anyway. I could construct an elaborate pendulum system to hit me in the head precisely every 32 seconds and it would accomplish the same thing.
this. happy first post on tl btw ^^
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Edit: probably a little too harsh. I do think it's cheating though.
If you miss injects then you had flaws in your play and deserve to be behind because of it.
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On November 17 2011 11:57 dAPhREAk wrote:
doesnt sc2 already notify you when larva inject is done? they added it as part of a patch.
this. but then again this mod seems like a big INJECT NAOOOOOOOOO!!! alert.
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On November 17 2011 12:29 Mohdoo wrote:
This is cheating.
Proof:
If you are using this, you are using it because you think it will help your play.
If you are using this in a mirror match, and the other guy is not, by the logic you have already used, you have an advantage.
QED.
If an athlete lifts weights because it will improve their play in X sport, they are now cheating. What a great proof buddy.
On November 17 2011 12:41 Gamegene wrote:those are features everyone has access to.
Looks like everyone also has access to this seeing as how it is publicly posted. There are also multiple ways to implement something like this.
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On November 17 2011 12:47 Frozenhelfire wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2011 12:29 Mohdoo wrote:
This is cheating.
Proof:
If you are using this, you are using it because you think it will help your play.
If you are using this in a mirror match, and the other guy is not, by the logic you have already used, you have an advantage.
QED. If an athlete lifts weights because it will improve their play in X sport, they are now cheating. What a great proof buddy.
Other athletes can lift weights too. That's not the same as this. A more accurate example would be athletes use steroids to improve their play, while others can't/won't. Same principal applies here.
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On November 17 2011 12:47 Frozenhelfire wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2011 12:29 Mohdoo wrote:
This is cheating.
Proof:
If you are using this, you are using it because you think it will help your play.
If you are using this in a mirror match, and the other guy is not, by the logic you have already used, you have an advantage.
QED. If an athlete lifts weights because it will improve their play in X sport, they are now cheating. What a great proof buddy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_analogy
This is an external influence over you while you are playing. That's very different from an activity which is self-contained by yourself. You're essentially equating this tool to practicing. Better luck next time!
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On November 17 2011 12:47 Frozenhelfire wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2011 12:29 Mohdoo wrote:
This is cheating.
Proof:
If you are using this, you are using it because you think it will help your play.
If you are using this in a mirror match, and the other guy is not, by the logic you have already used, you have an advantage.
QED. If an athlete lifts weights because it will improve their play in X sport, they are now cheating. What a great proof buddy.
well, it would be argued cheating because it's outside of the client that not everyone has becomes it doesn't come with the game, and this could give one person an unfair advantage. it's like at a weight lifting competition everyone lifts the same weights but if one dude comes in with steroids or super power gloves that could be cheating.
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On November 17 2011 12:50 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2011 12:47 Frozenhelfire wrote:On November 17 2011 12:29 Mohdoo wrote:
This is cheating.
Proof:
If you are using this, you are using it because you think it will help your play.
If you are using this in a mirror match, and the other guy is not, by the logic you have already used, you have an advantage.
QED. If an athlete lifts weights because it will improve their play in X sport, they are now cheating. What a great proof buddy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_analogyThis is an external influence over you while you are playing. That's very different from an activity which is self-contained by yourself. You're essentially equating this tool to practicing. Better luck next time!
No I'm not. Lifting weights isn't practicing for a sport unless the sport is weight lifting. If you're playing something like hand egg (foot ball American version) then no, it isn't practice.
On November 17 2011 12:51 CrimsnDragn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2011 12:47 Frozenhelfire wrote:On November 17 2011 12:29 Mohdoo wrote:
This is cheating.
Proof:
If you are using this, you are using it because you think it will help your play.
If you are using this in a mirror match, and the other guy is not, by the logic you have already used, you have an advantage.
QED. If an athlete lifts weights because it will improve their play in X sport, they are now cheating. What a great proof buddy. well, it would be argued cheating because it's outside of the client that not everyone has becomes it doesn't come with the game, and this could give one person an unfair advantage. it's like at a weight lifting competition everyone lifts the same weights but if one dude comes in with steroids or super power gloves that could be cheating.
Weights are outside of any sport technically. They are widely available but not everyone has innate access to them. It generally takes more work to acquire weights, be it going to the gym or buying them, then using something like this or an online stop watch.
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