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U_G_L_Y
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States516 Posts
November 17 2011 03:55 GMT
#61
So when I listen to to my gaming playlist when I ladder I am cheating. BW chart clearly showed that my hand speed was lower when I didn't listen to my punk/ska gaming mix. Like 20 APM lower.

So when Ret meets Stephano on the ladder and Ret doesn't happen to be listing to Bob Marley, Stephano is cheating!

You people are being really really silly.
Ercster
Profile Joined August 2011
United States603 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 03:56:28
November 17 2011 03:55 GMT
#62
On November 17 2011 12:49 hitpoint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 12:47 Frozenhelfire wrote:
On November 17 2011 12:29 Mohdoo wrote:
This is cheating.

Proof:

If you are using this, you are using it because you think it will help your play.

If you are using this in a mirror match, and the other guy is not, by the logic you have already used, you have an advantage.

QED.


If an athlete lifts weights because it will improve their play in X sport, they are now cheating. What a great proof buddy.


Other athletes can lift weights too. That's not the same as this. A more accurate example would be athletes use steroids to improve their play, while others can't/won't. Same principal applies here.

Actually a more accurate analogy would be, two weight lifters, training for the same competition, want to lift weights every hour for 8 hours a day. One uses a stopwatch with a beeper to remind him that it has been an hour, and the other doesn't. They both have the same goal and same task to achieve it, just one decided to be reminded to do so every time.
“The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it.” -Neil deGrasse Tyson
HK_TPZ
Profile Joined November 2011
48 Posts
November 17 2011 03:56 GMT
#63
On November 17 2011 11:48 Gamegene wrote:
I consider larva injects a good measure of how strong a Zerg player is. This is just way too artificial for me... ;;

what?
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15679 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 03:58:29
November 17 2011 03:57 GMT
#64
On November 17 2011 12:53 Frozenhelfire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 12:50 Mohdoo wrote:
On November 17 2011 12:47 Frozenhelfire wrote:
On November 17 2011 12:29 Mohdoo wrote:
This is cheating.

Proof:

If you are using this, you are using it because you think it will help your play.

If you are using this in a mirror match, and the other guy is not, by the logic you have already used, you have an advantage.

QED.


If an athlete lifts weights because it will improve their play in X sport, they are now cheating. What a great proof buddy.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_analogy

This is an external influence over you while you are playing. That's very different from an activity which is self-contained by yourself. You're essentially equating this tool to practicing. Better luck next time!


No I'm not. Lifting weights isn't practicing for a sport unless the sport is weight lifting. If you're playing something like hand egg (foot ball American version) then no, it isn't practice.


Let me try explaining this another way:

Someone plays a sport, so they aim to improve their physical abilities. They do so by lifting weights. Once they have lifted weights, they go to play their game. Similarly, someone will ladder or practice build orders against computers. However, there is no parallel to be made between something which remains in effect during the match. Lifting weights is intended to *prepare* you for an activity. An automated timer is intended to *assist* you during the game.

Ergo, it is a false analogy.
Buubble
Profile Joined January 2009
United States191 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 04:00:36
November 17 2011 03:57 GMT
#65
On November 17 2011 12:53 Frozenhelfire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 12:50 Mohdoo wrote:
On November 17 2011 12:47 Frozenhelfire wrote:
On November 17 2011 12:29 Mohdoo wrote:
This is cheating.

Proof:

If you are using this, you are using it because you think it will help your play.

If you are using this in a mirror match, and the other guy is not, by the logic you have already used, you have an advantage.

QED.


If an athlete lifts weights because it will improve their play in X sport, they are now cheating. What a great proof buddy.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_analogy

This is an external influence over you while you are playing. That's very different from an activity which is self-contained by yourself. You're essentially equating this tool to practicing. Better luck next time!


No I'm not. Lifting weights isn't practicing for a sport unless the sport is weight lifting. If you're playing something like hand egg (foot ball American version) then no, it isn't practice.

Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 12:51 CrimsnDragn wrote:
On November 17 2011 12:47 Frozenhelfire wrote:
On November 17 2011 12:29 Mohdoo wrote:
This is cheating.

Proof:

If you are using this, you are using it because you think it will help your play.

If you are using this in a mirror match, and the other guy is not, by the logic you have already used, you have an advantage.

QED.


If an athlete lifts weights because it will improve their play in X sport, they are now cheating. What a great proof buddy.


well, it would be argued cheating because it's outside of the client that not everyone has becomes it doesn't come with the game, and this could give one person an unfair advantage. it's like at a weight lifting competition everyone lifts the same weights but if one dude comes in with steroids or super power gloves that could be cheating.


Weights are outside of any sport technically. They are widely available but not everyone has innate access to them. It generally takes more work to acquire weights, be it going to the gym or buying them, then using something like this or an online stop watch.


What? yeah okay, but does that mean coming into sc2 with bw background is cheating? how about, to practice for sc2, I go play bw to improve my mechanics? much the same way a basketball player or whatever can lift weights to hopefully improve his abilities.


On November 17 2011 12:57 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 12:53 Frozenhelfire wrote:
On November 17 2011 12:50 Mohdoo wrote:
On November 17 2011 12:47 Frozenhelfire wrote:
On November 17 2011 12:29 Mohdoo wrote:
This is cheating.

Proof:

If you are using this, you are using it because you think it will help your play.

If you are using this in a mirror match, and the other guy is not, by the logic you have already used, you have an advantage.

QED.


If an athlete lifts weights because it will improve their play in X sport, they are now cheating. What a great proof buddy.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_analogy

This is an external influence over you while you are playing. That's very different from an activity which is self-contained by yourself. You're essentially equating this tool to practicing. Better luck next time!


No I'm not. Lifting weights isn't practicing for a sport unless the sport is weight lifting. If you're playing something like hand egg (foot ball American version) then no, it isn't practice.


Let me try explaining this another way:

Someone plays a sport, so they aim to improve their physical abilities. They do so by lifting weights. Once they have lifted weights, they go to play their game. Similarly, someone will ladder or practice build orders against computers. However, there is no parallel to be made between something which remains in effect during the match. Lifting weights is intended to *prepare* you for an activity. An automated timer is intended to *assist* you during the game.

Ergo, it is a false analogy.


This I can more or less agree with. Like i said, Im not in favor of this software because I could see how it could be cheating, and that's because you get do get an unfair advantage (like a 3rd party loud reminder to inject your larva) during the game.
askTeivospy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1525 Posts
November 17 2011 03:57 GMT
#66
only way if its illegal is if it injects code into sc2
hihihi
Ercster
Profile Joined August 2011
United States603 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 04:01:07
November 17 2011 03:59 GMT
#67
On November 17 2011 12:56 HK_TPZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 11:48 Gamegene wrote:
I consider larva injects a good measure of how strong a Zerg player is. This is just way too artificial for me... ;;

what?

A good way of determining the skill of a Zerg player is to see if he misses larva injects. Nestea, for example, misses very few if any.
“The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it.” -Neil deGrasse Tyson
mmp
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2130 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 04:02:02
November 17 2011 03:59 GMT
#68
This is not cheating.

Nor would it be cheating to write a program that logs keystrokes and sets a timer after V+click not preceded by B (build overlords).

Nor would it be cheating to have a build order coach inform you what to build at specific times.

If you're dependent on these aids to play then you'll never be able to preempt these triggers and so your mind will always be 1 second behind the crucial timings. Deep strategy comes from thinking 10 steps in the future, and interruptions like this need to become habitual.

It's about as useful as your adviser reminding you to construct additional pylons... if you do not already know to build them then you are in big trouble.
I (λ (foo) (and (<3 foo) ( T_T foo) (RAGE foo) )) Starcraft
dgwow
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1024 Posts
November 17 2011 04:00 GMT
#69
It's kind of a cheat but in the same way as the in game timer, except everyone has access to that one. I dont think it's a big thing to get angry about, as long as it's not being used in tournaments. How does it work when you have multiple hatcheries anyways?
Don't let those anti-cheese advocates tell you what to do. Rush to meet life head on!
IndoorSpawningPool
Profile Joined July 2011
United States99 Posts
November 17 2011 04:00 GMT
#70
A bad player that somehow manages to hit every single inject is just going to be a bad player with a shitload of unused larva. It's just a crutch
I build two drones in time of peace, and two in time of war. I build two drones before I build two drones, and then I build two more
Endall
Profile Joined August 2011
United States66 Posts
November 17 2011 04:02 GMT
#71
On November 17 2011 12:22 NoLimit028 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 12:00 Fruscainte wrote:
On November 17 2011 11:59 anonymitylol wrote:
On November 17 2011 11:59 WuK wrote:
It sounds awesome, but Blizzard has always been pretty unforgiving regarding any tiers software that would create a disadvantage to the player not using it so you should probably be aware that you might get banned if they don't like it. If I were you i would post on the official forums to ask if you can use it or not if you don't want to get an unintended ban.


Uh, how would Blizzard know if you're running a program that doesn't change anything about the SC2 client at all?


You're using a Third Party program to give yourself an unfair advantage.


Indeed,


So if a 2v2 team uses Skype they're cheating? Get real.
No reply.
Frozenhelfire
Profile Joined May 2010
United States420 Posts
November 17 2011 04:03 GMT
#72
On November 17 2011 12:49 hitpoint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 12:47 Frozenhelfire wrote:
On November 17 2011 12:29 Mohdoo wrote:
This is cheating.

Proof:

If you are using this, you are using it because you think it will help your play.

If you are using this in a mirror match, and the other guy is not, by the logic you have already used, you have an advantage.

QED.


If an athlete lifts weights because it will improve their play in X sport, they are now cheating. What a great proof buddy.


Other athletes can lift weights too. That's not the same as this. A more accurate example would be athletes use steroids to improve their play, while others can't/won't. Same principal applies here.


You act like other people can't download this program too. Weights are harder to get than this. Weights cost money, and some generally require machines. Most people need a gym membership or live in dorms or apartments that have a public facility with weights. A more accurate analogy to steroids would be using a blink hack or a map hack.
polar bears are fluffy
mmp
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2130 Posts
November 17 2011 04:03 GMT
#73
On November 17 2011 13:00 dgwow wrote:
It's kind of a cheat but in the same way as the in game timer, except everyone has access to that one. I dont think it's a big thing to get angry about, as long as it's not being used in tournaments. How does it work when you have multiple hatcheries anyways?

You could write a program that clusters groups of similar-time injections and alerts you when the entire cluster is ready for injection, setting a cluster-size to whatever you want.
I (λ (foo) (and (<3 foo) ( T_T foo) (RAGE foo) )) Starcraft
Maynarde
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia1286 Posts
November 17 2011 04:03 GMT
#74
This isn't a crutch, this isn't a cheat tool. It's a practice tool. You eventually won't need it because you'll have this beep in your brain. It's meant to be used and then left alone, it would NEVER be allowed in a tourney anywhere.

I don't understand what the issue is, these guys make a tool to help the community in their first post and get flamed. gg TL.
CommentatorAustralian SC2 Caster | Twitter: @MaynardeSC2 | Twitch: twitch.tv/maynarde
Iksf
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom444 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 04:08:38
November 17 2011 04:04 GMT
#75
If it is completely external and just uses like a 29 second timer or whatever its perfectly fine, though not in tourneys probably. As long as it doesn't use the sc2 memory. Its little different from terrans using a metronome for stutter micro which is also perfectly allowed.

Also these things generally get really screwed if you miss injects or 2/3 hatcheries. Much better to just get in the habbit of checking the hatcheries individually
TheDraken
Profile Joined July 2011
United States640 Posts
November 17 2011 04:13 GMT
#76
i'm not really sure why so many people are complaining on here and screaming about cheating. blizz put a notification IN GAME to tell you when larva was done, so honestly this program is pretty useless, especially considering the fact that they never factor in the time it takes to inject. and if you miss one, what are you going to do? wait until the next beep? if a bad player is in the middle of doing something is he really going to be accustomed to jumping back and larva injecting? there's so many things wrong with people's assumptions.
bottom line is bad players will still be bad using this. good players won't need it.
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idiotech
Profile Joined August 2011
Australia11 Posts
November 17 2011 04:13 GMT
#77
Didn't intend for my first post to start a flame war... lol
Frozenhelfire
Profile Joined May 2010
United States420 Posts
November 17 2011 04:13 GMT
#78
On November 17 2011 12:57 CrimsnDragn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 12:53 Frozenhelfire wrote:
On November 17 2011 12:50 Mohdoo wrote:
On November 17 2011 12:47 Frozenhelfire wrote:
On November 17 2011 12:29 Mohdoo wrote:
This is cheating.

Proof:

If you are using this, you are using it because you think it will help your play.

If you are using this in a mirror match, and the other guy is not, by the logic you have already used, you have an advantage.

QED.


If an athlete lifts weights because it will improve their play in X sport, they are now cheating. What a great proof buddy.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_analogy

This is an external influence over you while you are playing. That's very different from an activity which is self-contained by yourself. You're essentially equating this tool to practicing. Better luck next time!


No I'm not. Lifting weights isn't practicing for a sport unless the sport is weight lifting. If you're playing something like hand egg (foot ball American version) then no, it isn't practice.

On November 17 2011 12:51 CrimsnDragn wrote:
On November 17 2011 12:47 Frozenhelfire wrote:
On November 17 2011 12:29 Mohdoo wrote:
This is cheating.

Proof:

If you are using this, you are using it because you think it will help your play.

If you are using this in a mirror match, and the other guy is not, by the logic you have already used, you have an advantage.

QED.


If an athlete lifts weights because it will improve their play in X sport, they are now cheating. What a great proof buddy.


well, it would be argued cheating because it's outside of the client that not everyone has becomes it doesn't come with the game, and this could give one person an unfair advantage. it's like at a weight lifting competition everyone lifts the same weights but if one dude comes in with steroids or super power gloves that could be cheating.


Weights are outside of any sport technically. They are widely available but not everyone has innate access to them. It generally takes more work to acquire weights, be it going to the gym or buying them, then using something like this or an online stop watch.


What? yeah okay, but does that mean coming into sc2 with bw background is cheating? how about, to practice for sc2, I go play bw to improve my mechanics? much the same way a basketball player or whatever can lift weights to hopefully improve his abilities..


Did I say weights were cheating? Learn to read. I was making the point that just because something is outside of a game doesn't mean it is cheating. Weights are outside of football (American) but every player uses weights. Football players don't lug weights around the field during a game.


On November 17 2011 12:57 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 12:53 Frozenhelfire wrote:
On November 17 2011 12:50 Mohdoo wrote:
On November 17 2011 12:47 Frozenhelfire wrote:
On November 17 2011 12:29 Mohdoo wrote:
This is cheating.

Proof:

If you are using this, you are using it because you think it will help your play.

If you are using this in a mirror match, and the other guy is not, by the logic you have already used, you have an advantage.

QED.


If an athlete lifts weights because it will improve their play in X sport, they are now cheating. What a great proof buddy.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_analogy

This is an external influence over you while you are playing. That's very different from an activity which is self-contained by yourself. You're essentially equating this tool to practicing. Better luck next time!


No I'm not. Lifting weights isn't practicing for a sport unless the sport is weight lifting. If you're playing something like hand egg (foot ball American version) then no, it isn't practice.


Let me try explaining this another way:

Someone plays a sport, so they aim to improve their physical abilities. They do so by lifting weights. Once they have lifted weights, they go to play their game. Similarly, someone will ladder or practice build orders against computers. However, there is no parallel to be made between something which remains in effect during the match. Lifting weights is intended to *prepare* you for an activity. An automated timer is intended to *assist* you during the game.

Ergo, it is a false analogy.


Where in the tool does it say that it is strictly for ladder use? Why couldn't someone use it against a friend or computer in custom matches? Try interchanging the weight lifting to energy drinks or sports drinks. Sports drinks aren't a part of the game but they give athletes that use them advantages.
polar bears are fluffy
HK_TPZ
Profile Joined November 2011
48 Posts
November 17 2011 04:14 GMT
#79
On November 17 2011 12:59 Ercster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 12:56 HK_TPZ wrote:
On November 17 2011 11:48 Gamegene wrote:
I consider larva injects a good measure of how strong a Zerg player is. This is just way too artificial for me... ;;

what?

A good way of determining the skill of a Zerg player is to see if he misses larva injects. Nestea, for example, misses very few if any.

my what meant "rofl omg what noob Zerg misses injects"
hitpoint
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1511 Posts
November 17 2011 04:14 GMT
#80
On November 17 2011 12:55 Ercster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 12:49 hitpoint wrote:
On November 17 2011 12:47 Frozenhelfire wrote:
On November 17 2011 12:29 Mohdoo wrote:
This is cheating.

Proof:

If you are using this, you are using it because you think it will help your play.

If you are using this in a mirror match, and the other guy is not, by the logic you have already used, you have an advantage.

QED.


If an athlete lifts weights because it will improve their play in X sport, they are now cheating. What a great proof buddy.


Other athletes can lift weights too. That's not the same as this. A more accurate example would be athletes use steroids to improve their play, while others can't/won't. Same principal applies here.

Actually a more accurate analogy would be, two weight lifters, training for the same competition, want to lift weights every hour for 8 hours a day. One uses a stopwatch with a beeper to remind him that it has been an hour, and the other doesn't. They both have the same goal and same task to achieve it, just one decided to be reminded to do so every time.


Not even close. You're not using it to practice if you're using this on ladder, you're using it to get an unfair advantage. Using this practicing against comps or partners isn't cheating, using it on ladder absolutely is.
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