EPTSo when Ret meets Stephano on the ladder and Ret doesn't happen to be listing to Bob Marley, Stephano is cheating!
You people are being really really silly.
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U_G_L_Y
United States516 Posts
So when Ret meets Stephano on the ladder and Ret doesn't happen to be listing to Bob Marley, Stephano is cheating! You people are being really really silly. | ||
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Ercster
United States603 Posts
On November 17 2011 12:49 hitpoint wrote: Other athletes can lift weights too. That's not the same as this. A more accurate example would be athletes use steroids to improve their play, while others can't/won't. Same principal applies here. Actually a more accurate analogy would be, two weight lifters, training for the same competition, want to lift weights every hour for 8 hours a day. One uses a stopwatch with a beeper to remind him that it has been an hour, and the other doesn't. They both have the same goal and same task to achieve it, just one decided to be reminded to do so every time. | ||
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HK_TPZ
48 Posts
On November 17 2011 11:48 Gamegene wrote: I consider larva injects a good measure of how strong a Zerg player is. This is just way too artificial for me... ;; what? | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On November 17 2011 12:53 Frozenhelfire wrote: No I'm not. Lifting weights isn't practicing for a sport unless the sport is weight lifting. If you're playing something like hand egg (foot ball American version) then no, it isn't practice. Let me try explaining this another way: Someone plays a sport, so they aim to improve their physical abilities. They do so by lifting weights. Once they have lifted weights, they go to play their game. Similarly, someone will ladder or practice build orders against computers. However, there is no parallel to be made between something which remains in effect during the match. Lifting weights is intended to *prepare* you for an activity. An automated timer is intended to *assist* you during the game. Ergo, it is a false analogy. | ||
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Buubble
United States191 Posts
On November 17 2011 12:53 Frozenhelfire wrote: No I'm not. Lifting weights isn't practicing for a sport unless the sport is weight lifting. If you're playing something like hand egg (foot ball American version) then no, it isn't practice. Weights are outside of any sport technically. They are widely available but not everyone has innate access to them. It generally takes more work to acquire weights, be it going to the gym or buying them, then using something like this or an online stop watch. What? yeah okay, but does that mean coming into sc2 with bw background is cheating? how about, to practice for sc2, I go play bw to improve my mechanics? much the same way a basketball player or whatever can lift weights to hopefully improve his abilities. On November 17 2011 12:57 Mohdoo wrote: Let me try explaining this another way: Someone plays a sport, so they aim to improve their physical abilities. They do so by lifting weights. Once they have lifted weights, they go to play their game. Similarly, someone will ladder or practice build orders against computers. However, there is no parallel to be made between something which remains in effect during the match. Lifting weights is intended to *prepare* you for an activity. An automated timer is intended to *assist* you during the game. Ergo, it is a false analogy. This I can more or less agree with. Like i said, Im not in favor of this software because I could see how it could be cheating, and that's because you get do get an unfair advantage (like a 3rd party loud reminder to inject your larva) during the game. | ||
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askTeivospy
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Ercster
United States603 Posts
A good way of determining the skill of a Zerg player is to see if he misses larva injects. Nestea, for example, misses very few if any. | ||
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mmp
United States2130 Posts
Nor would it be cheating to write a program that logs keystrokes and sets a timer after V+click not preceded by B (build overlords). Nor would it be cheating to have a build order coach inform you what to build at specific times. If you're dependent on these aids to play then you'll never be able to preempt these triggers and so your mind will always be 1 second behind the crucial timings. Deep strategy comes from thinking 10 steps in the future, and interruptions like this need to become habitual. It's about as useful as your adviser reminding you to construct additional pylons... if you do not already know to build them then you are in big trouble. | ||
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dgwow
Canada1024 Posts
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IndoorSpawningPool
United States99 Posts
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Endall
United States66 Posts
So if a 2v2 team uses Skype they're cheating? Get real. | ||
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Frozenhelfire
United States420 Posts
On November 17 2011 12:49 hitpoint wrote: Other athletes can lift weights too. That's not the same as this. A more accurate example would be athletes use steroids to improve their play, while others can't/won't. Same principal applies here. You act like other people can't download this program too. Weights are harder to get than this. Weights cost money, and some generally require machines. Most people need a gym membership or live in dorms or apartments that have a public facility with weights. A more accurate analogy to steroids would be using a blink hack or a map hack. | ||
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mmp
United States2130 Posts
On November 17 2011 13:00 dgwow wrote: It's kind of a cheat but in the same way as the in game timer, except everyone has access to that one. I dont think it's a big thing to get angry about, as long as it's not being used in tournaments. How does it work when you have multiple hatcheries anyways? You could write a program that clusters groups of similar-time injections and alerts you when the entire cluster is ready for injection, setting a cluster-size to whatever you want. | ||
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Maynarde
Australia1286 Posts
I don't understand what the issue is, these guys make a tool to help the community in their first post and get flamed. gg TL. | ||
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Iksf
United Kingdom444 Posts
Also these things generally get really screwed if you miss injects or 2/3 hatcheries. Much better to just get in the habbit of checking the hatcheries individually | ||
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TheDraken
United States640 Posts
bottom line is bad players will still be bad using this. good players won't need it. | ||
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idiotech
Australia11 Posts
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Frozenhelfire
United States420 Posts
On November 17 2011 12:57 CrimsnDragn wrote: What? yeah okay, but does that mean coming into sc2 with bw background is cheating? how about, to practice for sc2, I go play bw to improve my mechanics? much the same way a basketball player or whatever can lift weights to hopefully improve his abilities.. Did I say weights were cheating? Learn to read. I was making the point that just because something is outside of a game doesn't mean it is cheating. Weights are outside of football (American) but every player uses weights. Football players don't lug weights around the field during a game. On November 17 2011 12:57 Mohdoo wrote: Let me try explaining this another way: Someone plays a sport, so they aim to improve their physical abilities. They do so by lifting weights. Once they have lifted weights, they go to play their game. Similarly, someone will ladder or practice build orders against computers. However, there is no parallel to be made between something which remains in effect during the match. Lifting weights is intended to *prepare* you for an activity. An automated timer is intended to *assist* you during the game. Ergo, it is a false analogy. Where in the tool does it say that it is strictly for ladder use? Why couldn't someone use it against a friend or computer in custom matches? Try interchanging the weight lifting to energy drinks or sports drinks. Sports drinks aren't a part of the game but they give athletes that use them advantages. | ||
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HK_TPZ
48 Posts
On November 17 2011 12:59 Ercster wrote: A good way of determining the skill of a Zerg player is to see if he misses larva injects. Nestea, for example, misses very few if any. my what meant "rofl omg what noob Zerg misses injects" | ||
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hitpoint
United States1511 Posts
On November 17 2011 12:55 Ercster wrote: Actually a more accurate analogy would be, two weight lifters, training for the same competition, want to lift weights every hour for 8 hours a day. One uses a stopwatch with a beeper to remind him that it has been an hour, and the other doesn't. They both have the same goal and same task to achieve it, just one decided to be reminded to do so every time. Not even close. You're not using it to practice if you're using this on ladder, you're using it to get an unfair advantage. Using this practicing against comps or partners isn't cheating, using it on ladder absolutely is. | ||
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