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FailCow
United States49 Posts
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Inquisitor1323
370 Posts
On June 26 2012 03:04 Inquisitor1323 wrote: Hide nested quote - On June 26 2012 02:43 Inquisitor1323 wrote: The hardest part of playing zerg is keeping on top of your injects, this just makes zerg easy. It's cheap. Don't talk if you're just going to make shit up. You have absolutely no idea what makes zerg hard if you think you lost to a silver Are you seriously telling me "learn to macro" after you claim the hardest part about zerg is simply injecting? Laugh out fucking loud. Man, drg is the best with injects right? Since hes like the best zerg? Oh wait! I saw him with almost 75 energy on all his queens yesterday when he was streaming. That must mean hes a horrible zerg and shoudl have been losing all his matches right? If you're going to insult me, at least make it long, your short posts are just useless banter. Fine by me. It's a hard part but not the only part of playing zerg. Sorry if I'm a little biased. That being said, this is clearly cheating. A big part of starcraft is remembering to do things like build supply depots, units, upgrades, etc. This is a tool that basically tells you when to inject and thus you dont have to remember to do it on your own. You need to inject to build units, and you need to have units to win the game. Concerning DRG, 75 energy on his queens may mean he's not using that queen for injecting and going for one of those lovely 6 queen defense openings. This isnt rocket science bro. Stop getting pissy over it. Learn to inject and you will play better. | ||
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FailCow
United States49 Posts
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On June 26 2012 03:26 FailCow wrote: So is having a coach or a friend teach you how to play also cheating? They help you remember to build stuff and give suggestions. By this logic most things would be considered cheating. If you're playing on the ladder and they are helping you then, yes, technically that is cheating. No one cares though, nor should they. | ||
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PanN
United States2828 Posts
On June 26 2012 03:24 Inquisitor1323 wrote: Fine by me. It's a hard part but not the only part of playing zerg. Sorry if I'm a little biased. That being said, this is clearly cheating. A big part of starcraft is remembering to do things like build supply depots, units, upgrades, etc. This is a tool that basically tells you when to inject and thus you dont have to remember to do it on your own. You need to inject to build units, and you need to have units to win the game. Concerning DRG, 75 energy on his queens may mean he's not using that queen for injecting and going for one of those lovely 6 queen defense openings. This isnt rocket science bro. Stop getting pissy over it. Learn to inject and you will play better. 1.) So you admit you're wrong about the only thing I cared about. 2.) DRG had 4 queens, i wouldn't mention this otherwise, this isnt rocket science bro. 3.) Whoa?! You need to inject to build units?! You should totally write a guide man! I bet you'd blow away everyone with your profound zerg knowledge. 4.) Telling someone that injects fine and doesn't use this lame program to learn to inject just makes you sound really silly. Why are you fucking telling me to learn to inject? Also, a LITTLE biased?! You claimed that the hardest part about the zerg race is injecting, when, in fact, if you had ANY knowledge of playing the race, you'd know its like the easiest thing to do. Also I'm going to ask everyone that thinks this is cheating a question. If you were listening to a song with a certain beat that had the same timer as queen injects would THAT be cheating as well? =)) | ||
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FailCow
United States49 Posts
On June 26 2012 03:32 Clarity_nl wrote: If you're playing on the ladder and they are helping you then, yes, technically that is cheating. No one cares though, nor should they. I think you guys take ladder way to seriously... there are ladder rules and tournament rules... ladder is casual and is for practice. Its in an tournament environment where this could be considered cheating. | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
On June 26 2012 03:26 FailCow wrote: So is having a coach or a friend teach you how to play also cheating? They help you remember to build stuff and give suggestions. By this logic most things would be considered cheating. On Ladder, yes. Basically everything is cheating that will give you an edge and is not provided by the game itself. But there are either those who want to win by all means, or those who don't care about it. And in these cases they aren't really better then your common grand master hacker. I really dislike this everyone can do it argument though as I like to win with my own skill and not some skill boosting things. And the ladder would consist of 90% maphackers etc at the end. competition should be based on an even environment and nothing else. For cheating and training purposes custom games should be used. But i doubt someone plays ladder seriously nowadays expecting your opponent playing fair. | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
On June 26 2012 03:33 PanN wrote: 1.) So you admit you're wrong about the only thing I cared about. 2.) DRG had 4 queens, i wouldn't mention this otherwise, this isnt rocket science bro. 3.) Whoa?! You need to inject to build units?! You should totally write a guide man! I bet you'd blow away everyone with your profound zerg knowledge. 4.) Telling someone that injects fine and doesn't use this lame program to learn to inject just makes you sound really silly. Why are you fucking telling me to learn to inject? Also, a LITTLE biased?! You claimed that the hardest part about the zerg race is injecting, when, in fact, if you had ANY knowledge of playing the race, you'd know its like the easiest thing to do. Also I'm going to ask everyone that thinks this is cheating a question. If you were listening to a song with a certain beat that had the same timer as queen injects would THAT be cheating as well? =)) The fact that someone like DRG who has absurdly fast apm and good multi-task can still fall behind on injects should tell you that it's incredibly difficult. Is it the hardest thing to stay on top of injects? maybe, maybe not, but when the best players in the game fall behind with it you certainly can't call it the easiest thing to do. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On June 26 2012 03:38 FailCow wrote: I think you guys take ladder way to seriously... there are ladder rules and tournament rules... ladder is casual and is for practice. Its in an tournament environment where this could be considered cheating. Technically it's cheating. You can say you disagree with this statement all you like, but it's still true. If you want to derive from that: that I take ladder way too seriously that's fine. Especially after the part where I said, and I quote: "No one cares, nor should they." | ||
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PanN
United States2828 Posts
On June 26 2012 03:42 Tachion wrote: The fact that someone like DRG who has absurdly fast apm and good multi-task can still fall behind on injects should tell you that it's incredibly difficult. Is it the hardest thing to stay on top of injects? maybe, maybe not, but when the best players in the game fall behind with it you certainly can't call it the easiest thing to do. I saw him do it once. His injects were pretty flawless otherwise as expected. It's extremely easy, and his original point was that its the hardest thing to do as zerg, which is just complete talking out of your butt nonsense. | ||
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Existor
Russian Federation4295 Posts
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SnuggleZhenya
596 Posts
On June 26 2012 03:45 Clarity_nl wrote: Technically it's cheating. You can say you disagree with this statement all you like, but it's still true. If you want to derive from that: that I take ladder way too seriously that's fine. Especially after the part where I said, and I quote: "No one cares, nor should they." Are there official ladder rules anywhere? If it is "technically" cheating, then it has to actually break a rule. I would say it is clearly in violation of "the spirit of competition" or something like that... but that is different. | ||
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Inquisitor1323
370 Posts
PanN6-26-2012 · 03:45 On June 26 2012 03:42 Tachion wrote: Show nested quote + I saw him do it once. His injects were pretty flawless otherwise as expected. It's extremely easy, and his original point was that its the hardest thing to do as zerg, which is just complete talking out of your butt nonsense. It's a matter of opinion really. From what I've seen injecting does seem to be a major part of playing zerg. If not, what is the hardest mechanic in playing zerg? | ||
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pallad
Poland1958 Posts
On June 26 2012 03:46 Existor wrote: WHy you can't use backspace + select larva method? Do that every 40 seconds and it becomes an easiest race to play. Terrans and Protosses are less comfort, than zergs with their injections LOL terran and toss macro is easy , just all buldings under one key , and produce. When you play zerg you got the same situation , but you must inject larva. One larva E can decide of game.. you forgot it , you lose.. I dont understand you.. less comfort is hiting produce or warp key ? , maby we are playing diffrent gams  | ||
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FailCow
United States49 Posts
On June 26 2012 03:46 Existor wrote: WHy you can't use backspace + select larva method? Do that every 40 seconds and it becomes an easiest race to play. Terrans and Protosses are less comfort, than zergs with their injections Yes but remembering to do that is the point of the OPs timer. And your last statement is like saying "Terran is the easiest race to play if you can keep track of mule energy." Completely untrue for all 3 races. | ||
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
On June 26 2012 03:51 pallad wrote: LOL terran and toss macro is easy , just all buldings under one key , and produce. When you play zerg you got the same situation , but you must inject larva. One larva E can decide of game.. you forgot it , you lose.. I dont understand you.. less comfort is hiting produce or warp key ? , maby we are playing diffrent gams That's actually completely false. I understand people like to think they play the hardest race (assuming you play zerg), but you don't need to exaggerate like that. I used to main zerg, got to low masters (not great, but good enough for me), and injecting isn't nearly as unforgiving as you mention. Early game it's pretty important, you're right. But it's also very easy to have perfect injects for the first 10 minutes of a game, it's when it becomes more involved and hectic that people start to get worse. And even then, if you inject every 50 seconds instead of 40, 9.5 times out of 10, you're not going to lose a game because of that. Are there official ladder rules anywhere? If it is "technically" cheating, then it has to actually break a rule. I would say it is clearly in violation of "the spirit of competition" or something like that... but that is different. Using a 3rd party program has nothing to do with competitive spirit, it's clearly cheating. | ||
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ToAn8
52 Posts
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Hypemeup
Sweden2783 Posts
Anything that gives you a handicap is bullcrap. On June 26 2012 04:04 ToAn8 wrote: Then counting in ur head would also be considered cheating ? Your opponent can count in his head as well(maybe he cant if he is bad). But he does not have a software doing it for him. That gives you an unfair advantage. How is this difficult to comprehend? | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On June 26 2012 03:47 SnuggleZhenya wrote: Are there official ladder rules anywhere? If it is "technically" cheating, then it has to actually break a rule. I would say it is clearly in violation of "the spirit of competition" or something like that... but that is different. I used the word technically for a reason. Blizzard has terms of service you know. Third party software is an obvious breach. Using out of game things that aren't computer hardware accessible to all to gain an advantage while playing is less obvious but still there. I don't feel like going through the TOS to find a quote but you get the idea. | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
A software, that is not available to all players by deafult ( you have to install it) that gives you a clear advantage in the game, by giving you an information that the game doesnt provide. Plain to see it´s a cheat. | ||
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