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Sporadic44
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States533 Posts
January 01 2012 18:02 GMT
#361
LOL@those of you getting your panties in a bunch over this application. its a learning tool. Obviously its not something you'd use for every single game you play until the end of time and in fact, it would get kindve annoying if you tried to. Furthermore anyone at any competitive level of play wouldn't need one of these anyway so it doesnt really tarnish competitive play at the highest level. Chill out.
"Opportunities multiply as they are seized."
isleyofthenorth
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Austria894 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 18:39:47
January 01 2012 18:39 GMT
#362
On November 17 2011 12:00 Fruscainte wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 11:59 anonymitylol wrote:
On November 17 2011 11:59 WuK wrote:
It sounds awesome, but Blizzard has always been pretty unforgiving regarding any tiers software that would create a disadvantage to the player not using it so you should probably be aware that you might get banned if they don't like it. If I were you i would post on the official forums to ask if you can use it or not if you don't want to get an unintended ban.


Uh, how would Blizzard know if you're running a program that doesn't change anything about the SC2 client at all?


You're using a Third Party program to give yourself an unfair advantage.


nope a beep tone every 30 seconds happens to me my favourite "music" while playing sc2

that cant be a bannable violation of the terms of use
Flummie
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands417 Posts
January 01 2012 18:42 GMT
#363
On January 02 2012 03:39 isleyofthenorth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 12:00 Fruscainte wrote:
On November 17 2011 11:59 anonymitylol wrote:
On November 17 2011 11:59 WuK wrote:
It sounds awesome, but Blizzard has always been pretty unforgiving regarding any tiers software that would create a disadvantage to the player not using it so you should probably be aware that you might get banned if they don't like it. If I were you i would post on the official forums to ask if you can use it or not if you don't want to get an unintended ban.


Uh, how would Blizzard know if you're running a program that doesn't change anything about the SC2 client at all?


You're using a Third Party program to give yourself an unfair advantage.


nope a beep tone every 30 seconds happens to me my favourite "music" while playing sc2

that cant be a bannable violation of the terms of use


Indeed So if you play an audio file that gives a bleep every 30 sec its k but if its a program its cheating?
Also note that starcraft 2 gives in game messages about when birthing extra larvae is finished.. don't see what is "unfair" about that either
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Cinim
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark866 Posts
January 01 2012 18:49 GMT
#364
On November 17 2011 11:57 jidolboy wrote:
"Use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game experience, including without limitation, mods that violate the terms of this License Agreement or the Terms of Use"

....


It's not any of those listed above, as it simply notify you, and then you have to react yourself accordingly
Hell, it's about time
Flexx
Profile Joined August 2010
United States87 Posts
January 01 2012 20:16 GMT
#365
I am really blown away by all the people that think this is "cheating."

This is nothing more than a glorified stopwatch.

Would you consider a player using a stopwatch on his desk, or having a friend coach his play to be cheating?

I have unfortunately deleted the email, but I previously talked to a Blizzard rep at length about having someone coach your LADDER session's over a streaming/screen sharing program, and he explained to me very clearly that as long as it's you doing the work, and the 3rd party program (skype for instance) doesn't interact with the actual game, it is 100% inside of the TOS.

Based on that information, I would logically conclude that a timer which does not interact with SC2 in any way, or execute any commands for you is 100% legal.
SoBeDragon
Profile Joined October 2010
United States192 Posts
January 01 2012 20:31 GMT
#366
This is not cheating. It's a very simple tool that's designed to help train your mechanics. To try and help illustrate how use of these timers is not cheating, I'd like to use a real sports example.

I'm a golfer, and there are many things that you can do on the practice range to help your mechanics that you can not do on the course. For example, to help ensure I have a clean follow through, sometimes I'll place 3 golf balls down in a row, and only try to hit the center one. Another example would be on the practice putting green. To help keep my shoulders steady, and my arms swinging like a pendulum, I will try to swing my putter head between 2 tee's that I stick in the ground. Another trick I've seen on the range is sticking a rod in the ground on an angle to help ensure your downswing is on the proper plane. There are DOZENS of these little things that you can do in a practice environment that can help correct negative behaviors, however, you can't use any of these aids once you hit the course.

These little tools do not modify the game client, therefore they are not illegal or against the EULA. This would be the exact same thing has setting the stop watch on my cell phone to beep at me every 30 seconds. Now, when you move from a practice environment (ladder) to a competition (tournament) then these aids would not be allowed as they would provide an unfair advantage.

Use these aids to help train your mechanics, but don't rely on them.
If at first you don't succeed, redefine the parameters for success.
Fealthas
Profile Joined May 2011
607 Posts
January 01 2012 20:33 GMT
#367
So now you have a program to remind you to do things...wow where will the world go.
GohgamX
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada1096 Posts
January 05 2012 20:34 GMT
#368
Lucius Fox would not work with Batman if he used this...
Time is a great teacher, unfortunate that it kills all its pupils ...
PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
January 05 2012 20:37 GMT
#369
On January 02 2012 05:33 Fealthas wrote:
So now you have a program to remind you to do things...wow where will the world go.


Yeah man, the worlds really goin now that this program was released.

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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-05 20:45:00
January 05 2012 20:43 GMT
#370
On November 17 2011 13:14 hitpoint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 12:55 Ercster wrote:
On November 17 2011 12:49 hitpoint wrote:
On November 17 2011 12:47 Frozenhelfire wrote:
On November 17 2011 12:29 Mohdoo wrote:
This is cheating.

Proof:

If you are using this, you are using it because you think it will help your play.

If you are using this in a mirror match, and the other guy is not, by the logic you have already used, you have an advantage.

QED.


If an athlete lifts weights because it will improve their play in X sport, they are now cheating. What a great proof buddy.


Other athletes can lift weights too. That's not the same as this. A more accurate example would be athletes use steroids to improve their play, while others can't/won't. Same principal applies here.

Actually a more accurate analogy would be, two weight lifters, training for the same competition, want to lift weights every hour for 8 hours a day. One uses a stopwatch with a beeper to remind him that it has been an hour, and the other doesn't. They both have the same goal and same task to achieve it, just one decided to be reminded to do so every time.


Not even close. You're not using it to practice if you're using this on ladder, you're using it to get an unfair advantage. Using this practicing against comps or partners isn't cheating, using it on ladder absolutely is.

Ladder IS practice.

The whole difference of opinion here is that people are coming in with the mindset that ladder is EQUIVALENT to tournament play, which it absolutely is not. If it were, there's a hell of a lot of other stuff that people can do on ladder that shouldn't be done (like having someone else ladder on your account, or even having someone coach you while you're playing the game).
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Nazarid
Profile Joined February 2010
United States445 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-05 20:59:44
January 05 2012 20:56 GMT
#371
This thing some may call cheating, others may think it is an unfair advantage. let me state that about 4-5 mins into the game this program will be useless and have to be reset periodically thru out the match in order to keep accurate time. now also all this does is Enhance the already in game sound that is created when larvae pop off(you wont get the exact timings ever time and to be fully honest you will probably be behind using a program like this to track your larvae injections). That being said however this is not a cheat/hack/macro that can or will be punished by blizzard this is not cheating or an advantage giving tool... any that say it is you are just ignorant that it is a glorified stopwatch o my... I can do this without a program by using a metronome or my phones stopwatch set to 30 seconds to alarm me ... Honestly this will help people learn how to play slightly better and over time they wouldn't use this program ... it is sad to think that you folks in bronze and silver would get so angry over something that is meant to help you learn and not give you an unfair advantage in the process... It is a stop watch that is all... not some macro that automatically does the injects for you at the appropriate times(believe me they exist) all this is, is a damned stop watch so stop the rage about its cheating and unfair.. when its JUST A STOP WATCH!!!


Edit: Question to u nay sayers...

How is this any worse or better than lets say me paying money for coaching while i ladder a few games? I am obvoiusly cheating the ladder because im having another person that is much better than myself tell me what im doin wrong when i do it... but hey this stop watch is really bad right.
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HeeroFX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2704 Posts
January 05 2012 21:02 GMT
#372
This software is conisdered cheating, because you are using a third party program to give an unfair advantage. Everything you need is already in the game.
MasterBlasterCaster
Profile Joined October 2011
United States568 Posts
January 05 2012 21:02 GMT
#373
Darn, I was gonna get a coach once I got some money, you know, maybe an hour or two with someone who could help out my game...

But apparently it's cheating.

I usually have my brother watch my games (over my shoulder) and try to correct mistakes I make while laddering...

But I guess I'll stop now because it's cheating.

I sometimes set a timer when I cook food cause I'm busy with other stuff...

But I guess that's cheating so I'll just have to stop...

Plenty of things are "cheating" in a professional competition, are just fine in a "scrimmage" (which is what I see ladder as).
MassacrisM
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom149 Posts
January 05 2012 21:05 GMT
#374
This might not be considered cheating, but it definitely gives you an unfair advantage over your opponent and most importantly, you don't actually get better if you use it.

Think about how pathetic you must be if you have to use something to benefit yourself, just to win in an online game. While your e-peen might get bigger and you get e-fame and shit like that, you're complete crap in reality and you'll do like shit offline tournaments where it matters.
" One of the painful things about our time is that those who feel certainty are stupid, and those with any imagination and understanding are filled with doubt and indecision " - Bertrand Russell
tx.zyclon
Profile Joined August 2010
United States145 Posts
January 05 2012 21:06 GMT
#375
you won't be able to use it in tournaments which is where it really matters that you can hit your injects. Not cheating.
MasterBlasterCaster
Profile Joined October 2011
United States568 Posts
January 05 2012 21:10 GMT
#376
On January 06 2012 06:05 MassacrisM wrote:
This might not be considered cheating, but it definitely gives you an unfair advantage over your opponent and most importantly, you don't actually get better if you use it.

It clearly isn't cheating, any more than having a buddy remind you is. And actually, thousands of dollars are payed out every month so that people can have a coach tell them to hit their larva inject. It is a perfectly FAIR advantage that you have gained over your opponent, and if you use it correctly, it will probably help you get better.


Think about how pathetic you must be if you have to use something to benefit yourself, just to win in an online game. While your e-peen might get bigger and you get e-fame and shit like that, you're complete crap in reality and you'll do like shit offline tournaments where it matters.

Honestly, I don't see how you could possibly come to that conclusion unless you seriously misunderstood the OP. Like seriously misunderstood it.
zergrushkekeke
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia241 Posts
January 05 2012 23:25 GMT
#377
It's this thread again!

There was a website out there that did the same thing http://injectlarvae.com/
I made a batch file that would bring up and overlay on where I had my hatcheries hotkeyed http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=243799.

Every time someone shows that a tool can be used to help with timings half the crowd flips out and starts going red in the face arguing that you should play every ladder game of starcraft2 in a sealed off booth with you coach on the other side of the double plated glass. And every time the amount of games everyone collectively would use the tool would be easily under 1000.

Good luck with the game design, you probably hear it a lot but you should move a game like that to the emerging market of mobile apps.
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gonzales88
Profile Joined April 2012
Netherlands2 Posts
April 22 2012 13:21 GMT
#378
Calling this cheating is kind of weird in my opinion. When I play zerg I have a stopwatch next to my pc that beeps after 40 seconds. I inject larva and press my stopwatch reset button.

That is the same thing.
swarley91
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany32 Posts
June 25 2012 15:50 GMT
#379
is their any official statement from blizzard about this tool? or did somebody mailed them and just asked?
Iksf
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom444 Posts
June 25 2012 15:54 GMT
#380
Considering the amount of real hackers running unchecked by Blizzard at the moment I doubt they care
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