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Animism
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland130 Posts
January 01 2012 16:27 GMT
#341
Since it gives you an unfair advantage it pretty much defines cheating, however if it doesn't interact with the SC2 client or any of its files i don't think that it can be acknowledged by Blizzard :s
Lw247_
Profile Joined December 2011
38 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 16:35:03
January 01 2012 16:31 GMT
#342
On January 02 2012 01:27 di3alot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2011 11:54 Noli wrote:
Or just time them out?

Anyone who cares about having perfect injects would want to be able to do them in tournament conditions and good luck getting that into the GSL undetected.

Play Zerg as your main for a month and you'll have the timing engraved in your brain.


yeah right because 99% of us are going to play in the gsl wtf dude

ninety fucking nine percent in this forum are not even gonna play in a online tournament
and when that would be something for 5 ducks or something

and even with this tool a bronze will be still a bronze player.

you could just have the same shit on a winamp player and just press play on the keyboard when you inject tadaaaaaaaaaaa magic...wooohoooo....

stop being so ridiculous people




Noli's point being that it's still cheating, so taking his gsl comment so literal is actually beyond stupid.


a bronze player (even though the leagues are no reference to skill) might be able to know the timings out of his/her head but when they get into a battle they might forget about such things which is actually a big deal, bigger than you might actually realise yourself but with a timer that tells you when you can inject again they get reminded of those things & in the long run it would make a difference in their performance and don't even try to deny this coz if you do you're just full of it.
di3alot
Profile Joined December 2011
172 Posts
January 01 2012 16:36 GMT
#343
On January 02 2012 01:31 Lw247_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 01:27 di3alot wrote:
On November 19 2011 11:54 Noli wrote:
Or just time them out?

Anyone who cares about having perfect injects would want to be able to do them in tournament conditions and good luck getting that into the GSL undetected.

Play Zerg as your main for a month and you'll have the timing engraved in your brain.


yeah right because 99% of us are going to play in the gsl wtf dude

ninety fucking nine percent in this forum are not even gonna play in a online tournament
and when that would be something for 5 ducks or something

and even with this tool a bronze will be still a bronze player.

you could just have the same shit on a winamp player and just press play on the keyboard when you inject tadaaaaaaaaaaa magic...wooohoooo....

stop being so ridiculous people




Noli's point being that it's still cheating, so taking his gsl comment so literal is actually beyond stupid.


and my point is that this is not cheating. and taking my gsl comment so literal about his gsl comment is beyond beyond stupid?
Lw247_
Profile Joined December 2011
38 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 16:38:50
January 01 2012 16:37 GMT
#344
On January 02 2012 01:36 di3alot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 01:31 Lw247_ wrote:
On January 02 2012 01:27 di3alot wrote:
On November 19 2011 11:54 Noli wrote:
Or just time them out?

Anyone who cares about having perfect injects would want to be able to do them in tournament conditions and good luck getting that into the GSL undetected.

Play Zerg as your main for a month and you'll have the timing engraved in your brain.


yeah right because 99% of us are going to play in the gsl wtf dude

ninety fucking nine percent in this forum are not even gonna play in a online tournament
and when that would be something for 5 ducks or something

and even with this tool a bronze will be still a bronze player.

you could just have the same shit on a winamp player and just press play on the keyboard when you inject tadaaaaaaaaaaa magic...wooohoooo....

stop being so ridiculous people




Noli's point being that it's still cheating, so taking his gsl comment so literal is actually beyond stupid.


and my point is that this is not cheating. and taking my gsl comment so literal about his gsl comment is beyond beyond stupid?



so you're basicly just full of it & not capable to reason with nor to inform you about what this program is actually capable of... So basicly there's no point in talking to you so have fun xx

and actually, trying to say that you didn't take his comment too literal really shows in the way you replied.. fuck my life, you're actually one of the biggest simpletons i've ever seen on this website.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
January 01 2012 16:38 GMT
#345
On January 02 2012 01:36 di3alot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 01:31 Lw247_ wrote:
On January 02 2012 01:27 di3alot wrote:
On November 19 2011 11:54 Noli wrote:
Or just time them out?

Anyone who cares about having perfect injects would want to be able to do them in tournament conditions and good luck getting that into the GSL undetected.

Play Zerg as your main for a month and you'll have the timing engraved in your brain.


yeah right because 99% of us are going to play in the gsl wtf dude

ninety fucking nine percent in this forum are not even gonna play in a online tournament
and when that would be something for 5 ducks or something

and even with this tool a bronze will be still a bronze player.

you could just have the same shit on a winamp player and just press play on the keyboard when you inject tadaaaaaaaaaaa magic...wooohoooo....

stop being so ridiculous people




Noli's point being that it's still cheating, so taking his gsl comment so literal is actually beyond stupid.


and my point is that this is not cheating. and taking my gsl comment so literal about his gsl comment is beyond beyond stupid?


That's just stupid.
Lw247_
Profile Joined December 2011
38 Posts
January 01 2012 16:40 GMT
#346
On January 02 2012 01:38 ZenithM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 01:36 di3alot wrote:
On January 02 2012 01:31 Lw247_ wrote:
On January 02 2012 01:27 di3alot wrote:
On November 19 2011 11:54 Noli wrote:
Or just time them out?

Anyone who cares about having perfect injects would want to be able to do them in tournament conditions and good luck getting that into the GSL undetected.

Play Zerg as your main for a month and you'll have the timing engraved in your brain.


yeah right because 99% of us are going to play in the gsl wtf dude

ninety fucking nine percent in this forum are not even gonna play in a online tournament
and when that would be something for 5 ducks or something

and even with this tool a bronze will be still a bronze player.

you could just have the same shit on a winamp player and just press play on the keyboard when you inject tadaaaaaaaaaaa magic...wooohoooo....

stop being so ridiculous people




Noli's point being that it's still cheating, so taking his gsl comment so literal is actually beyond stupid.


and my point is that this is not cheating. and taking my gsl comment so literal about his gsl comment is beyond beyond stupid?


That's just stupid.


viva la france! *high five*


at least someone who's able to keep up, sir, i commend you.
di3alot
Profile Joined December 2011
172 Posts
January 01 2012 16:48 GMT
#347
On January 02 2012 01:37 Lw247_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 01:36 di3alot wrote:
On January 02 2012 01:31 Lw247_ wrote:
On January 02 2012 01:27 di3alot wrote:
On November 19 2011 11:54 Noli wrote:
Or just time them out?

Anyone who cares about having perfect injects would want to be able to do them in tournament conditions and good luck getting that into the GSL undetected.

Play Zerg as your main for a month and you'll have the timing engraved in your brain.


yeah right because 99% of us are going to play in the gsl wtf dude

ninety fucking nine percent in this forum are not even gonna play in a online tournament
and when that would be something for 5 ducks or something

and even with this tool a bronze will be still a bronze player.

you could just have the same shit on a winamp player and just press play on the keyboard when you inject tadaaaaaaaaaaa magic...wooohoooo....

stop being so ridiculous people




Noli's point being that it's still cheating, so taking his gsl comment so literal is actually beyond stupid.


and my point is that this is not cheating. and taking my gsl comment so literal about his gsl comment is beyond beyond stupid?



so you're basicly just full of it & not capable to reason with nor to inform you about what this program is actually capable of... So basicly there's no point in talking to you so have fun xx


but you still do it...saying im full of it and there is no point in talking to me is still talking.
with the reason/point to insult me or disagree in a douchebaggery behavior
trying to make someone else look stupid does not make you smarter or gives your piont any value

stop being such a douche...have fun xx
badboymav
Profile Joined June 2010
Australia74 Posts
January 01 2012 16:57 GMT
#348
18 pages of pointless arguing and horrible analogies lol

It is identical to having a friend watching you play and telling you when to inject.
It is a practice tool developed by the OP giving back to this community.
It is aimed at the bronze - masters players who may still need to improve their mental timings for injects.

It is up to tournaments to allow this or not, but it is highly unlikely players of that caliber would even need it.

So please stop arguing about how ethical you think it may or may not be, I would much prefer to hear if any Zergs have used this yet and what their thoughts are, and if it helping them to improve.

I am sure the OP would also appreciate some nice feedback for the effort he put in.
Too many idiots, not enough bullets
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20285 Posts
January 01 2012 17:05 GMT
#349
Chrono boost should never be automated IMO. It is an ability focused on adaptation and pooling, and really is not that useful at all if you just use it whenever you hit 25 energy. If the program is about chaining chronos, its only like a 10 second timer, it is far far far easier to learn than injects and much easier to chrono a building once than to inject 3+ hatcheries using hotkeys, double tapping etc, really, if you need a program to beep every 10 seconds in order to play the game properly you are going a little bit too far with the automation i think. Inject Larvae is kind of a different matter (i still kinda disagree with that) but using a timer for chrono boost is taking it too far i think.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
azzu
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany141 Posts
January 01 2012 17:14 GMT
#350
I don't want to touch the point of it being unethical.

However, it's very unlikely that you can practice with the tool, and get better without it.
The human mind, as proven by studies, can not consistently produce a rhythm that has more than a few seconds between it's beats. You can "prove" this by yourself by trying to do a 10-second rhythm without counting the seconds or counting anything in between. It's just not possible. Now I may suspect a 40-second rhythm is just as impossible.

You will obviously play better with the tool. But that's just logical. It will however not help you improve your play without the tool.

Now I'm open to being proved wrong, but I think the usage of this tool for "practice" reasons is just nonsense. If you use it for this reason, you just lie to yourself and use the tool to just be better than you really are, because losing sucks, and you lose less with it (or gain a higher rank with it)
Apolex
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada103 Posts
January 01 2012 17:21 GMT
#351
cheating is not defined as whether blizzard will ban you for it or not lol
cheating is when you are going into the game with an unfair advantage.
It doesn't matter if this interacts with the SC2 client or not, it's helping you inject and reminding you to.

There are always maphacks out there that blizzard won't detect, maphacking software is always ahead of blizzard, it doesn't make it right to use.

Depending on what league you are in, the more advantageous this timer becomes, a PLatnium player who might have missed injects by 10 seconds every round, now injects 5 seconds early, over a period of 5 minutes, you have 2 - 3 full cycle of larva extra to use. Personally I believe, having a bigger army is much better then seeing what the other guy is doing.
Jealousy is a sin.
Equity213
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada873 Posts
January 01 2012 17:24 GMT
#352
Blizzard created this game and its rules and thus they are the only ones in any position to say what is cheating and what isnt. Likewise the host of a tournament creates its rules and gets to decide what is cheating in that environment.

Its highly unlikely any tourny would allow software like this, and as far as ladder goes all that matters is what blizz says.

I personally think this software is stupid and wouldnt use it, but whether its cheating or not isnt up to us, its up to blizzard and tournament hosts.
FireFish
Profile Joined June 2011
Denmark228 Posts
January 01 2012 17:24 GMT
#353
This is defently not legal.
Trealador
Profile Joined August 2011
United States207 Posts
January 01 2012 17:31 GMT
#354
Welcome to cheating in SC. How will you learn if you don't practice and get an internal clock to do these mechanics? Not to mention as the game goes later things like chrono become less valuable. So, kinda silly
Like a man.
Apolex
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada103 Posts
January 01 2012 17:32 GMT
#355
On January 02 2012 02:24 Equity213 wrote:
Blizzard created this game and its rules and thus they are the only ones in any position to say what is cheating and what isnt. Likewise the host of a tournament creates its rules and gets to decide what is cheating in that environment.

Its highly unlikely any tourny would allow software like this, and as far as ladder goes all that matters is what blizz says.

I personally think this software is stupid and wouldnt use it, but whether its cheating or not isnt up to us, its up to blizzard and tournament hosts.



if you bring notes to a test and the teacher doesn't say anything even though you know she saw you, is it considered cheating?
Blizzard is not going to ban this because it is UNDETECTABLE. If they make an issue about it, the greater population will start using it and blizzard CANNOT stop them. There's no way scanning your computer for files unrelated to sc2 is legal lol , that's the only way to detect this.
Jealousy is a sin.
Equity213
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada873 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 17:35:47
January 01 2012 17:35 GMT
#356
On January 02 2012 02:32 Apolex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 02:24 Equity213 wrote:
Blizzard created this game and its rules and thus they are the only ones in any position to say what is cheating and what isnt. Likewise the host of a tournament creates its rules and gets to decide what is cheating in that environment.

Its highly unlikely any tourny would allow software like this, and as far as ladder goes all that matters is what blizz says.

I personally think this software is stupid and wouldnt use it, but whether its cheating or not isnt up to us, its up to blizzard and tournament hosts.



if you bring notes to a test and the teacher doesn't say anything even though you know she saw you, is it considered cheating?
Blizzard is not going to ban this because it is UNDETECTABLE. If they make an issue about it, the greater population will start using it and blizzard CANNOT stop them. There's no way scanning your computer for files unrelated to sc2 is legal lol , that's the only way to detect this.


So if I steal from 7-11 but I dont get caught, is that considered stealing?

Come on. Getting caught has nothing to do with it.
udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
January 01 2012 17:38 GMT
#357
http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/sc2eula.html

Consent to Monitor.
WHEN RUNNING, THE GAME MAY MONITOR YOUR COMPUTER'S RANDOM ACCESS MEMORY (RAM) FOR UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAMS RUNNING CONCURRENTLY WITH THE GAME. AN "UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM" AS USED HEREIN SHALL BE DEFINED AS ANY THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE PROHIBITED BY SECTION 2. IN THE EVENT THAT THE GAME DETECTS AN UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM, THE GAME MAY (a) COMMUNICATE INFORMATION BACK TO BLIZZARD, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION YOUR ACCOUNT NAME, DETAILS ABOUT THE UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM DETECTED, AND THE TIME AND DATE; AND/OR (b) EXERCISE ANY OR ALL OF ITS RIGHTS UNDER THIS AGREEMENT, WITH OR WITHOUT PRIOR NOTICE TO THE USER.
E-Sports is competitive video gaming with a spectator fan base. Do not take the word "Sports" literally.
Lord_J
Profile Joined April 2011
Kenya1085 Posts
January 01 2012 17:39 GMT
#358
On January 02 2012 02:32 Apolex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 02:24 Equity213 wrote:
Blizzard created this game and its rules and thus they are the only ones in any position to say what is cheating and what isnt. Likewise the host of a tournament creates its rules and gets to decide what is cheating in that environment.

Its highly unlikely any tourny would allow software like this, and as far as ladder goes all that matters is what blizz says.

I personally think this software is stupid and wouldnt use it, but whether its cheating or not isnt up to us, its up to blizzard and tournament hosts.


Blizzard is not going to ban this because it is UNDETECTABLE. If they make an issue about it, the greater population will start using it and blizzard CANNOT stop them. There's no way scanning your computer for files unrelated to sc2 is legal lol , that's the only way to detect this.


If it's running while you are playing SC2 they don't have to scan your computer for files, only your RAM. Which, if you read the EULA, you agreed that they may do when you installed the game. That's exactly what they do to detect all banned third-party software, as well.

So, no, it's not undetectable. If Blizzard wanted to ban people for it, they could easily do so. I don't imagine they would care to do so, however, since it doesn't accomplish anything you couldn't do with a stopwatch or another human being looking over your shoulder.
No relation to Monsieur J.
cactusjack914
Profile Joined March 2011
United States183 Posts
January 01 2012 17:47 GMT
#359
if you want to get better you need to learn to scroll through your hatcheries to nail your inject timings. if you use a timer youre probably very very noob.
"starcraft isn't a hobby, its a lifestyle."
UniversalMind
Profile Joined March 2011
United States326 Posts
January 01 2012 17:50 GMT
#360
absolutly unnecessary and is an abomination in the eyes of the spirit of competion

you want to get better at these mechanics being reminded by something outside of the game client will only hinder progress.
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