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On June 26 2012 03:33 PanN wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2012 03:24 Inquisitor1323 wrote:On June 26 2012 03:04 Inquisitor1323 wrote:
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On June 26 2012 02:43 Inquisitor1323 wrote:
The hardest part of playing zerg is keeping on top of your injects, this just makes zerg easy. It's cheap.
Don't talk if you're just going to make shit up. You have absolutely no idea what makes zerg hard if you think you lost to a silver
Are you seriously telling me "learn to macro" after you claim the hardest part about zerg is simply injecting? Laugh out fucking loud.
Man, drg is the best with injects right? Since hes like the best zerg? Oh wait! I saw him with almost 75 energy on all his queens yesterday when he was streaming. That must mean hes a horrible zerg and shoudl have been losing all his matches right?
If you're going to insult me, at least make it long, your short posts are just useless banter.
Fine by me. It's a hard part but not the only part of playing zerg. Sorry if I'm a little biased. That being said, this is clearly cheating. A big part of starcraft is remembering to do things like build supply depots, units, upgrades, etc. This is a tool that basically tells you when to inject and thus you dont have to remember to do it on your own. You need to inject to build units, and you need to have units to win the game. Concerning DRG, 75 energy on his queens may mean he's not using that queen for injecting and going for one of those lovely 6 queen defense openings. This isnt rocket science bro. Stop getting pissy over it. Learn to inject and you will play better. 1.) So you admit you're wrong about the only thing I cared about. 2.) DRG had 4 queens, i wouldn't mention this otherwise, this isnt rocket science bro. 3.) Whoa?! You need to inject to build units?! You should totally write a guide man! I bet you'd blow away everyone with your profound zerg knowledge. 4.) Telling someone that injects fine and doesn't use this lame program to learn to inject just makes you sound really silly. Why are you fucking telling me to learn to inject? Also, a LITTLE biased?! You claimed that the hardest part about the zerg race is injecting, when, in fact, if you had ANY knowledge of playing the race, you'd know its like the easiest thing to do. Also I'm going to ask everyone that thinks this is cheating a question. If you were listening to a song with a certain beat that had the same timer as queen injects would THAT be cheating as well? =))
umm, kinda yeah. i mean, it wouldnt be allowed in tournament play, so i guess it would be cheating. i dont think anyone really cares about little things on the ladder, if it teaches you a rhythm then thats all good, but i dont imagine you'd get much self-fulfilment from having good injects if you were using a timer for it.
and thing thing about floating energy on your queens is that unless you have one queen per hatch and never more, your injects can be perfect and you still stock energy on at least one of them. and having energy on a queen for transfuse is a good thing in alot of circumstances.
obviously DRG doesn't have perfect injects all the time, but most top tier zergs have very good injects, and it is something that makes a noticeable difference between very good zergs and just mediocre zergs.
plus your wrong about injecting being the easiest thing to do as zerg. the easiest thing to do is press SRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. (not a balance whine, i dont thing roaches are broken enough for blizzard to attempt to fix them)
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saying this is cheating is like saying APM Alert in broodwars ChaosLauncher or APMAlert in SC2Ranks is cheating because if your opponent isn't using it and you are you know when you're getting lazy and your multi-tasking is dropping. ^^:
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If the argument is that this gives you an unfair advantage over your opponent, how is this different from watching the alerts? The game tells you when an inject is done, and this program just does the same thing.
I wonder if playing with all sounds muted except alerts would be a better way to remind yourself to inject.
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On June 26 2012 04:51 johnnybravo wrote:
If the argument is that this gives you an unfair advantage over your opponent, how is this different from watching the alerts? The game tells you when an inject is done, and this program just does the same thing.
I wonder if playing with all sounds muted except alerts would be a better way to remind yourself to inject.
If its the same as watching the alerts why do you need this program?
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On June 26 2012 04:34 sc2CruSha wrote:
saying this is cheating is like saying APM Alert in broodwars ChaosLauncher or APMAlert in SC2Ranks is cheating because if your opponent isn't using it and you are you know when you're getting lazy and your multi-tasking is dropping. ^^:
Dont be silly, the APM meters are simply a gauge for how fast you are playing. It does not make any part of the game easier.
If the argument is that this gives you an unfair advantage over your opponent, how is this different from watching the alerts? The game tells you when an inject is done, and this program just does the same thing.
I wonder if playing with all sounds muted except alerts would be a better way to remind yourself to inject.
The ingame tool does not play a sound at you, also it is available to everyone.
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If its the same as watching the alerts why do you need this program?
You don't, I just don't like the argument that this gives you info that is unavailable to an opponent
The ingame tool does not play a sound at you, also it is available to everyone.
oops, didn't know there was no sound. I don't play zerg much :/
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I dont see how this is cheating. It does not give you a real advantage..thus it is not cheating.
When i did piano lessons, i used to have a metronome... this tool is just the same for starcraft, to help you learn get a good feel of when to use your macro stuff. Sorry but i do not understand what all the shouting around about cheating is here.
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On June 26 2012 07:16 Xenocide_EU wrote:
I dont see how this is cheating. It does not give you a real advantage..thus it is not cheating.
When i did piano lessons, i used to have a metronome... this tool is just the same for starcraft, to help you learn get a good feel of when to use your macro stuff. Sorry but i do not understand what all the shouting around about cheating is here.
are you mentally retarded? when you have a recital, do you have a metronome on the entire time while playing? No.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On November 17 2011 11:59 WuK wrote:
It sounds awesome, but Blizzard has always been pretty unforgiving regarding any tiers software that would create a disadvantage to the player not using it so you should probably be aware that you might get banned if they don't like it. If I were you i would post on the official forums to ask if you can use it or not if you don't want to get an unintended ban.
Since when has Blizzard been unforgiving regarding 3rd Party Software?
Last I knew, maphacking was running rampant everywhere...but I guess this post was made nine months ago, too. :/
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On June 26 2012 07:33 area51Hellokitty wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2012 07:16 Xenocide_EU wrote:
I dont see how this is cheating. It does not give you a real advantage..thus it is not cheating.
When i did piano lessons, i used to have a metronome... this tool is just the same for starcraft, to help you learn get a good feel of when to use your macro stuff. Sorry but i do not understand what all the shouting around about cheating is here. are you mentally retarded? when you have a recital, do you have a metronome on the entire time while playing? No. User was temp banned for this post.
Ignoring the first part of that post. During a recital you dont use a metronome because it would not sound/look very good before a live audience..that is the only reason. Also, ladder is practice as mentioned before. There have even been tools that tell you when to make what building using the same mechanics as this timer (was some build order creation tool), i also do not consider that cheating as it is the same as writing a build order on a piece of paper and quickly looking at it now and then while you play.
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Name from the post maker is idiotech i think that something mean, on training vs pc maybe but i wonder if ppl dont use it on ladder or tour or only to beat better friend...... for these programs i have in my pc special spot trash for recyclation....is sad i cant recyclate users of this cheating s...s or makers......
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On November 17 2011 11:48 idiotech wrote:It just a tool to help people learn 
To learn what?
I only see this one as a cheat.
Hey lets make programs that automatically executes build orders, no that totally not cheating.
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On June 26 2012 08:29 Celadan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2011 11:48 idiotech wrote:It just a tool to help people learn To learn what? I only see this one as a cheat. Hey lets make programs that automatically executes build orders, no that totally not cheating.
Have you actually downloaded it? It is a stopwatch, it counts down from 32 seconds and then makes a beep. How can you even compare it with auto executing a build order?
Ah well, i know i will be trying this out, to get a better feel for hitting my chronoes.
But everyone his/her opinion, but i highly doubt if blizzard would ban people for this.
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On June 26 2012 08:29 Celadan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2011 11:48 idiotech wrote:It just a tool to help people learn To learn what? I only see this one as a cheat. Hey lets make programs that automatically executes build orders, no that totally not cheating.
I downloaded it to give it a shot. Really after awhile you get use to the sound and it sometimes alerts me that I need to inject maybe if it said inject it be different. The beep just becomes a redundant sound that you get use to quickly from my experience. In the end I stopped using it after 3 days and just remember to check my hatches more frequently. Maybe for some it works maybe for some it doesn't do anything.
I think the important thing with injects is finding your method of injecting and sticking with it the timing will come with practice. Some people backspace some don't I saw somebody bring up drg who just goes to his hatches and swipes and injects. I think having a set method is probably the best method to learn at first.
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