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Zzzapper
1792 Posts
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Harstem
Netherlands262 Posts
On November 16 2011 07:24 Hoodlum wrote: Hmm if steam sniping is for exposure sake don't you think its kind of redundant? The people you are exposed to aren't gonna think you won by skill and label you a cheater. Think about it, regardless of how you try and spin it, if you snipe, and like InControl said, its easy to go that extra step and cheat, and I'm SURE that most do. If you play the game, and your good enough that you can beat pros without cheating, recognition will come naturally... I wouldn't try and force it just play dailies, climb the ladder, and the rest will come... xD Hihi Hoodlum, the part i highlighted bothers me the most. I obviously also try to get exposure the normal way, by climbing the ladder etc, but I feel like streamers get so much attention and really get their name out there. Sadly I am unable to stream, because my computer is not good enough for this. That is the reason I stream. And not everbody who is nice to children is a pedophile! | ||
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Namu
United States826 Posts
On November 16 2011 07:18 iNcontroL wrote: Hmm you can call me defensive all you like.. I call it experience. Applying utopian policies and hoping for the best might work in other atmospheres but in SC2 people want a leg up for the most part.. if they have nothing to lose and everything to gain why think they are going to disprove the rule thus far? I agree with incontrol's thoughts.. although stream "sniping" may not be cheating, it makes it so tempting for the sniper to start cheating. You have to accept the doubts & blames if you're going to snipe that you may be cheating. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On November 16 2011 07:24 Hoodlum wrote: Hmm if steam sniping is for exposure sake don't you think its kind of redundant? The people you are exposed to aren't gonna think you won by skill and label you a cheater. Think about it, regardless of how you try and spin it, if you snipe, and like InControl said, its easy to go that extra step and cheat, and I'm SURE that most do. If you play the game, and your good enough that you can beat pros without cheating, recognition will come naturally... I wouldn't try and force it just play dailies, climb the ladder, and the rest will come... xD Not really, people see your name. I went 3-0 vs Drewbie once and checked out his stream chat at the end of the second game, and people were saying shit like "who the fuck is this zerg" etc. I'm still completely unknown, but it does get a few more people to hear about you if you perform well. I wasn't stream sniping, we just got repeatedly matched up. | ||
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Harstem
Netherlands262 Posts
On November 16 2011 07:27 Namu wrote: I agree with incontrol's thoughts.. although stream "sniping" may not be cheating, it makes it so tempting for the sniper to start cheating. You have to accept the doubts & blames if you're going to snipe that you may be cheating. hihi Namu, I accept the doubts if I am sniping, but I can not accept the "this guy is a cheater" while the game hasn't even started yet. Unless there is clear evidence that the guy is cheating I dont see any use of calling him a cheater just because he stream snipes to get some exposure. | ||
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LimeNade
United States2125 Posts
On November 16 2011 07:09 Zzzapper wrote: So really this is a problem with trust rather than with actual cheating? I think you could maybe get a bit of help from (as you already mentioned him) watching Sheth. I saw him play with Deezer the other day an unlike any other player I've ever seen, Sheth actually was kind to him and chatted friendly with him instead of just saying fuck you and then proceed to play the game. And what happens? Deezer actually doesn't stream cheat (or at least it doesn't seem so at all). So even though people like this haven't done anything to earn the trust of anybody, maybe we should try to have a bit more faith in them. Everybody has something good to them after all, at least that's my opinion. "Deezer actually doesn't stream cheat (or at least it doesn't seem so at all)." Sigh I really really really want to be an a**ho** here. But I am going to bite my tongue. Please never ever ever try to defend scum of the planet like deezer ever again. Once a piece of sh** always a piece of sh**. Deezer is probably one of the biggest hackers well known in NA and stream cheaters. If you ever played Wc3 on US East, you would know a player named Manubot who had multiple accounts banned for hacking and cheating non stop. As matter a fact Manu is Deezer's name and Deezer's wc3 name was manubot........ omg!. Okay now I have to go smash my head into the wall repeatedly because I just read you defending deezer. | ||
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raf3776
United States1904 Posts
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FXOjEcho
Canada318 Posts
On November 16 2011 07:27 Tarotis wrote: Can you name one negative effect for the streamer if the sniper only snipes once (like harstem does)? First, i dont see where it says he only does this once, wouldnt mind you showing me. Second, hes obviously doing it to get the ladder to pair him UP, last time i checked getting paired DOWN doesnt usually make for good practice. If it happens naturally obviously thats the ladders fault, but stream sniping attempts to bypass that. | ||
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AwfulPlayer
249 Posts
On November 16 2011 07:27 Harstem wrote:Sadly I am unable to stream, because my computer is not good enough for this. That is the reason I stream. wait, what ? ontopic: sniping is dumb, dont do it. climb the ladder, place high in those daily cups, that's the best way to get your name known imo. or you'll always be labeled as streamcheater (even if you dont actually streamcheat). | ||
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Klondikebar
United States2227 Posts
On November 16 2011 07:31 JEcho wrote: First, i dont see where it says he only does this once, wouldnt mind you showing me. Second, hes obviously doing it to get the ladder to pair him UP, last time i checked getting paired DOWN doesnt usually make for good practice. If it happens naturally obviously thats the ladders fault, but stream sniping attempts to bypass that. For stream sniping to work they still have to have similar MMR's...if the ladder is putting them together then they are at least of comparable skill AND the ladder thinks that the sniper at least has a chance to win. It could be pairing down. | ||
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Junichi
Germany1056 Posts
Also if the pro is not streaming for the training, but to provide entertainment, stream sniping is detrimental since he plays against against one player overly often, which is less fun than watching play against multiple opponents. Further I think I agree with what someone said on page one, which was that it is sort of leeching on the reputation of the pro. If you want fame you should work for it and not just play okay-ish and search for games while someone way popular is streaming. (Though I am not so sure about this.. I guess most viewers would take over the frustration the pro most likely expresses if he gets matched with the same player over and over.. well I guess only no publicity is bad publicity in the end) All in all I don't think stream sniping alone is that bad (provided once the sniper gets matched with the streamer he really does not look / listen at / to the stream), though I would prefer people not to do it and just play as it was meant to be. | ||
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Harstem
Netherlands262 Posts
On November 16 2011 07:31 JEcho wrote: First, i dont see where it says he only does this once, wouldnt mind you showing me. Second, hes obviously doing it to get the ladder to pair him UP, last time i checked getting paired DOWN doesnt usually make for good practice. If it happens naturally obviously thats the ladders fault, but stream sniping attempts to bypass that. Dear Echo, I said somewhere @ page 2/3 that I only snipe once, sometimes i just get matched up with people multiple times in a row, but that is not my fault! I don't really get what you are talking about with the pairing up stuff. I am rank 50ish grandmaster and I am evenly matched against everyone in gm(except for huk and thorzain maybe). | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
But seriously, the "sniping" isnt really a problem - although pretty stupid imo. But how can you trust someone who has said persons stream open to close it and not look / listen (some players document their play as it happens, explaining their thought process.) I feel while the OP is right, but he shouldnt really be surprised at the suspicion of the people he snipes. Especially if you tell the guy "hey i watchin ur stream and queued so i cud play u HERP DERP!!" or spam someones twitter? as Inc said the OP did. | ||
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Hoodlum
United States350 Posts
On November 16 2011 07:27 Harstem wrote: Hihi Hoodlum, the part i highlighted bothers me the most. I obviously also try to get exposure the normal way, by climbing the ladder etc, but I feel like streamers get so much attention and really get their name out there. Sadly I am unable to stream, because my computer is not good enough for this. That is the reason I stream. And not everbody who is nice to children is a pedophile! I could be wrong but I believe you misunderstand me. I fully understand your reasoning, what I'm getting at is that even though you are getting exposure... Inadvertently your getting bad exposure because the people that seen you win are gonna believe you cheated if the player (for example InControl) calls you a cheater. So all in all its just bad exposure and if your a good player I don't think you deserve this bad exposure but its gonna happen regardless. You don't have to stream to get your name out there. Personally I look out for players I've never heard of on the gm list and like to see if they go anywhere and most of these players don't stream. Also if you start winning dailies your gonna get your games streamed by people who have better computers than yourself and will give you the exposure that you have earned. | ||
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Tarotis
Germany1931 Posts
On November 16 2011 07:31 JEcho wrote: First, i dont see where it says he only does this once, wouldnt mind you showing me. Second, hes obviously doing it to get the ladder to pair him UP, last time i checked getting paired DOWN doesnt usually make for good practice. If it happens naturally obviously thats the ladders fault, but stream sniping attempts to bypass that. I never snipe players more than once except if they ask for more games! What combatex is known for is not streamsniping, but streamcheating. As I tried to explain in the OP there is quite a difference between those 2. + the fact that they have similiar MMR as the system matches them  | ||
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Klondikebar
United States2227 Posts
On November 16 2011 07:35 Capped wrote: Incontrol is a liar, how can he be one of the biggest streamers around when i never see him stream often anymore QQ :-( . His stream was on for a long time time today. You could actually watch him type out his post. He's been travelling a ton recently so he hasn't had the chance to stream much. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
stream cheating = no contest that this is wrong. | ||
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Harstem
Netherlands262 Posts
On November 16 2011 07:35 Capped wrote: Incontrol is a liar, how can he be one of the biggest streamers around when i never see him stream often anymore QQ :-( . But seriously, the "sniping" isnt really a problem - although pretty stupid imo. But how can you trust someone who has said persons stream open to close it and not look / listen (some players document their play as it happens, explaining their thought process.) I feel while the OP is right, but he shouldnt really be surprised at the suspicion of the people he snipes. Especially if you tell the guy "hey i watchin ur stream and queued so i cud play u HERP DERP!!" or spam someones twitter? as Inc said the OP did. hihi capped, this is completely irrelevant to this thread. pls no incontrol/me bashing, I rather have a nice discussion. | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
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insanet
Peru439 Posts
So the solution is stream snipe?. So you think its ok if everybody does it?, you think it will be ok to watch 3 hours of Incontrol stream with the same 3 opponents over and over again (deez,combat,you)? I am sorry, but the ones like you will only be remembered like those slutty girls that charlie sheen bangs. | ||
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