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DrDoom
United States107 Posts
If you want to play games against top players why don't you ask to custom with them? If they won't, why don't you just play on ladder until your MMR is high enough to get matched against them. What makes you think you are better than the other people on ladder that are legitimately getting cued against these players? | ||
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Tarotis
Germany1931 Posts
On November 16 2011 07:40 insanet wrote: So you want recognition as SC2 player, but you dont have time to do it the hard way because you have to go to the gym,martials arts,watch TV, blah blah.... So the solution is stream snipe?. So you think its ok if everybody does it?, you think it will be ok to watch 3 hours of Incontrol stream with the same 3 opponents over and over again (deez,combat,you)? I am sorry, but the ones like you will only be remembered like those slutty girls that charlie sheen bangs. You didnt actually read the thread, did you? | ||
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Harstem
Netherlands262 Posts
On November 16 2011 07:40 insanet wrote: So you want recognition as SC2 player, but you dont have time to do it the hard way because you have to go to the gym,martials arts,watch TV, blah blah.... So the solution is stream snipe?. So you think its ok if everybody does it?, you think it will be ok to watch 3 hours of Incontrol stream with the same 3 opponents over and over again (deez,combat,you)? I am sorry, but the ones like you will only be remembered like those slutty girls that charlie sheen bangs. Hi insanet, I stated a few times before in this thread that I only snipe streamers once! | ||
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Tarotis
Germany1931 Posts
On November 16 2011 07:41 DrDoom wrote: Stream sniping is cheating because it is a way for you to circumvent the matchmaking system. Even though streamers are letting your see when they click the find match button, by watching their stream and clicking it at the same time you are exploiting the system to get matched up against them when you should not. Cheating of this kind ruins the ladder experience for players since they are forced to play people they would normally not play (often of lower skill level). Stream snipers should be banned and it is in the best interest of Blizzard to do so in order to motive players to use the ladder as a practice tool. If you want to play games against top players why don't you ask to custom with them? If they won't, why don't you just play on ladder until your MMR is high enough to get matched against them. What makes you think you are better than the other people on ladder that are legitimately getting cued against these players? You do realize that the matchmaking system only lets them play if they actually have the same/similiar MMR? Harstem is a top 100 gm player, he has the MMR to get matched against them without sniping, too. | ||
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Harstem
Netherlands262 Posts
On November 16 2011 07:41 DrDoom wrote: Stream sniping is cheating because it is a way for you to circumvent the matchmaking system. Even though streamers are letting your see when they click the find match button, by watching their stream and clicking it at the same time you are exploiting the system to get matched up against them when you should not. Cheating of this kind ruins the ladder experience for players since they are forced to play people they would normally not play (often of lower skill level). Stream snipers should be banned and it is in the best interest of Blizzard to do so in order to motive players to use the ladder as a practice tool. If you want to play games against top players why don't you ask to custom with them? If they won't, why don't you just play on ladder until your MMR is high enough to get matched against them. What makes you think you are better than the other people on ladder that are legitimately getting cued against these players? Hi sir, I am legitimately getting cued against these players, there is no way that really low level players get matched against high-tier players. I am gm on EU and I just enjoy playing vs good players for practice/getting some exposure. I do not see how this is in any way cheating. | ||
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FXOjEcho
Canada318 Posts
On November 16 2011 07:33 Klondikebar wrote: For stream sniping to work they still have to have similar MMR's...if the ladder is putting them together then they are at least of comparable skill AND the ladder thinks that the sniper at least has a chance to win. It could be pairing down. Its likely to be pairing the streamer down, if you where good enough its unlikely yould be stream sniping pros worse than you. And the bottom line is, you are trying to side-step the matchmaking system, which as said before previously isnt technically against TOS. however most stream snipers / stream cheaters / promoters of either seem to have decided, if the streamer doesnt want to be sniped / cheated against then dont stream. Well alot of the time (incontrols case) this costs him money, so i feel like streamers should do the only thing they can to stop snipers/cheaters without negatively effecting themselves. Unfortunately for you that means calling you out as a cheater,in hopes that either youll stop, or turn into another deezer thus gaining nothing for your actions that are technically not wrong. | ||
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DrDoom
United States107 Posts
On November 16 2011 07:43 Tarotis wrote: You do realize that the matchmakin system only lets them play if they actually have the same/similiar MMR? Harstem is a top 100 gm player, he has the MMR to get matched against them without sniping, too. Circumventing the system is still cheating. If you have the same MMR you should get matched against these players by being online at the same time. By stream sniping you are selfishly taking games away from other deserving players. Recognition will come from showing you're a good player, not from showing the community you're a cheater. | ||
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pStar
996 Posts
You ruin the players fun. You ruin the spectators fun. You ruin the players practice. Please stop it. And learn to empathize with people instead of being immature | ||
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Slanina
35 Posts
On November 16 2011 07:40 insanet wrote: So you want recognition as SC2 player, but you dont have time to do it the hard way because you have to go to the gym,martials arts,watch TV, blah blah.... So the solution is stream snipe?. So you think its ok if everybody does it?, you think it will be ok to watch 3 hours of Incontrol stream with the same 3 opponents over and over again (deez,combat,you)? I am sorry, but the ones like you will only be remembered like those slutty girls that charlie sheen bangs. A ha ha. Man you took the words out of my mouth! In my personal opinion the things this guy does are pitiful. Stream sniping is like being an attention whore, u know doing things the easy, fast = cheap way. If you are good enough of a player, then go to a tournament, and beat a pro. But stream sniping is like stealing and trying to make it relevant in some kind or form is just embarrassing. But that is just my opinion. | ||
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Zeddicus
United States239 Posts
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On November 16 2011 07:47 pStar wrote: You are a deezer, You ruin the players fun. You ruin the spectators fun. You ruin the players practice. Please stop it. And learn to empathize with people instead of being immature wtf are you talking about. Where the hell is the fun ruined for either the player or spectator, especially if they don't even know? How does this diminish the practice? If they're being matched, they're of similar MMR, no? Thus he should be adequate practice for ladder. | ||
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Harstem
Netherlands262 Posts
On November 16 2011 07:47 pStar wrote: You are a deezer, You ruin the players fun. You ruin the spectators fun. You ruin the players practice. Please stop it. And learn to empathize with people instead of being immature Hi pStar, please support your statements with arguments. | ||
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Beren
United States514 Posts
On November 16 2011 07:41 DrDoom wrote: Stream sniping is cheating because it is a way for you to circumvent the matchmaking system. Even though streamers are letting your see when they click the find match button, by watching their stream and clicking it at the same time you are exploiting the system to get matched up against them when you should not. Cheating of this kind ruins the ladder experience for players since they are forced to play people they would normally not play (often of lower skill level). Stream snipers should be banned and it is in the best interest of Blizzard to do so in order to motive players to use the ladder as a practice tool. If you want to play games against top players why don't you ask to custom with them? If they won't, why don't you just play on ladder until your MMR is high enough to get matched against them. What makes you think you are better than the other people on ladder that are legitimately getting cued against these players? Blizzard isn't going to ban people from watching a stream. Its wrong of course but its the players choice to stream and they expose themselves to cheaters. With the good comes the bad. Also as someone pointed out... they can't play the person if they didn't have similiar MMR. That would seem to be common sense. With that being said, I don't think you should be doing this. | ||
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ThatGuy89
United Kingdom1968 Posts
if i was a high master/low GM i would love to play against whitera/stephano/tlo or any decent player just to see how well i did against them but when you do it to BM them, cheese/allin, or just cheat by watching the stream, thats disgraceful | ||
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dr.entropy
United States6 Posts
InControl is 100% right here. Starcraft 2 is a war game, and the smartest way to win a war is to cheat. | ||
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Harstem
Netherlands262 Posts
On November 16 2011 07:48 Zeddicus wrote: I think if you stream snipe, you can expect the person you snipe to believe you are cheating along with it--regardless of whether you are or not. If you don't want to be accused of cheating, don't snipe. This seems to be what people think, but I think it's a bit odd as there is nothing wrong with some sniping. I think it is strange that people directly think your are cheating when u snipe. But that is my opinion ofcourse. With this thread I just wanted to make clear that not everybody who streamsnipes is like combat ex. | ||
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luvy
Germany27 Posts
because if that is the case i will stop writing in this thread as it is just hogging more attention to yourself........... | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
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DrDoom
United States107 Posts
On November 16 2011 07:45 Harstem wrote: Hi sir, I am legitimately getting cued against these players, there is no way that really low level players get matched against high-tier players. I am gm on EU and I just enjoy playing vs good players for practice/getting some exposure. I do not see how this is in any way cheating. Then why do you need to stream snipe? If you want to play more games against these guys ask them to custom. What makes you think you deserve to get matched against them more than other people playing on ladder? As I said in my other post, if you want exposure show you're good by being high on ladder and playing in tourneys. By circumventing the matchmaking system all it shows is that you are selfish and don't mind circumventing the rules that are set in place. If you want to get good and be recognized you'll prioritize your time accordingly, not make excuses for cheating. | ||
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dr.entropy
United States6 Posts
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