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little water
United States6 Posts
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On November 16 2011 07:00 Rudo wrote: The way he is using it isn't really a problem but the same thing could be used to get matched up against someone you beat much more consistently...or even for example pull a combatex and match up against people you know for win trading If you wanted to win trade you wouldn't need to do it via stream, you'd just contact the person. | ||
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StavrosHL
Greece128 Posts
On November 16 2011 06:56 Harstem wrote: Even though this is common knowledge for most of the people in the community it isnt for some people. The reason why I made this thread is because Incontrol falsely accused me of stream-cheating. and why even bother about what incontrol says and ANYONE to be honest? lol. its simple: if u wanted to cheat u wouldnt even mention to any player u r sniping that u did so. i can also unbderstand that stream sniping is just inches away from stream cheating but i cannot think u r dumb by exposing u r self for confirming stream sniping. Players who loose to you might easily accused u for cheating ...just dont give a damn about them. Serious players WONT accuse you. Stream sniping is absolutely legit and seems normal to me. Players i wanna meet, players u always dreamed to ''practice'' with... keep going  | ||
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esla_sol
United States756 Posts
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
player wants more exposure so he snipes high level / famous players. player has stream going to snipe but won't look at it cause he is an honorable guy. Player realizes sniping is half the battle. Why not do a weeeeeeeee bit cheating as well? Winning makes you famous. Stream sniper becomes stream cheater. All the while they swear "nah I am not like the others! I don't do it!" I don't trust players to be admirable and not cheat when they have nothing at stake. If Sheth is found cheating he loses public image etc.. it's bad. If Hammerstanstein is found cheating nobody cares. if you admit you stream snipe don't fault the people who don't trust you to not go the 1 step further and cheat. | ||
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Childplay
Canada263 Posts
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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
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Juvant
United States723 Posts
On November 16 2011 07:03 iNcontroL wrote: lets break this down: player wants more exposure so he snipes high level / famous players. player has stream going to snipe but won't look at it cause he is an honorable guy. Player realizes sniping is half the battle. Why not do a weeeeeeeee bit cheating as well? Winning makes you famous. Stream sniper becomes stream cheater. All the while they swear "nah I am not like the others! I don't do it!" I don't trust players to be admirable and not cheat when they have nothing at stake. If Sheth is found cheating he loses public image etc.. it's bad. If Hammerstanstein is found cheating nobody cares. if you admit you stream snipe don't fault the people who don't trust you to not go the 1 step further and cheat. Couldn't you have used someone other than Sheth in your example?  My heart... it aches. | ||
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Psychonaut101
2 Posts
Yes a delay does work and I know of a few streamers who do/did this. | ||
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nYaLa
Uzbekistan295 Posts
if u want exposure, get a better computer and stream for your self or play in daily cups and try to win or get far in them... as a stream watcher i find it annoying to find the same mofo stream snipers/cheaters everytime, gets boring and i don't care about you, but the person who is streaming. | ||
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trucane
United States553 Posts
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Gustis
Lithuania70 Posts
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qwertzi
111 Posts
On November 16 2011 07:03 iNcontroL wrote: lets break this down: player wants more exposure so he snipes high level / famous players. player has stream going to snipe but won't look at it cause he is an honorable guy. Player realizes sniping is half the battle. Why not do a weeeeeeeee bit cheating as well? Winning makes you famous. Stream sniper becomes stream cheater. All the while they swear "nah I am not like the others! I don't do it!" I don't trust players to be admirable and not cheat when they have nothing at stake. If Sheth is found cheating he loses public image etc.. it's bad. If Hammerstanstein is found cheating nobody cares. if you admit you stream snipe don't fault the people who don't trust you to not go the 1 step further and cheat. this! plus, if I see catz or whoever streamsnipe they do it in good fun! and stream themselves ... if others do it... it is not hard to assume they would also just look once or twice... just look at deezer and combat ex.. rofl, just play ur game and dont try to get famous on someone else's account.. | ||
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Harstem
Netherlands263 Posts
On November 16 2011 07:03 iNcontroL wrote: lets break this down: player wants more exposure so he snipes high level / famous players. player has stream going to snipe but won't look at it cause he is an honorable guy. Player realizes sniping is half the battle. Why not do a weeeeeeeee bit cheating as well? Winning makes you famous. Stream sniper becomes stream cheater. All the while they swear "nah I am not like the others! I don't do it!" I don't trust players to be admirable and not cheat when they have nothing at stake. If Sheth is found cheating he loses public image etc.. it's bad. If Hammerstanstein is found cheating nobody cares. if you admit you stream snipe don't fault the people who don't trust you to not go the 1 step further and cheat. If you don't trust people who stream snipe that is fine by me, but at least try to be fair and not act like you know 100% certain that the person in fact is cheating. More streamers have been giving that attitude more and more lately. It might seem like no big deal for you, but I also am in a team and if the sponsors/manager of that team reads " Hammerstanstein is a cheater" they might kick me out of the team. | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On November 16 2011 07:03 iNcontroL wrote: lets break this down: player wants more exposure so he snipes high level / famous players. player has stream going to snipe but won't look at it cause he is an honorable guy. Player realizes sniping is half the battle. Why not do a weeeeeeeee bit cheating as well? Winning makes you famous. Stream sniper becomes stream cheater. All the while they swear "nah I am not like the others! I don't do it!" I don't trust players to be admirable and not cheat when they have nothing at stake. If Sheth is found cheating he loses public image etc.. it's bad. If Hammerstanstein is found cheating nobody cares. if you admit you stream snipe don't fault the people who don't trust you to not go the 1 step further and cheat. I don't see why you need to be so defensive about it and rush to judgment. Sniping and cheating really are two different things, I get that your experience with some players has caused you to be irritated and cynical about this, but I think innocent until proven guilty is a good guideline to follow here. | ||
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Harstem
Netherlands263 Posts
On November 16 2011 07:06 nYaLa wrote: lol i dont get this stream sniping shenanigans, just play the game ffs QQ if u want exposure, get a better computer and stream for your self or play in daily cups and try to win or get far in them... as a stream watcher i find it annoying to find the same mofo stream snipers/cheaters everytime, gets boring and i don't care about you, but the person who is streaming. Gettting a better computer isn't as easy for everyone. | ||
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Zzzapper
1797 Posts
On November 16 2011 07:03 iNcontroL wrote: lets break this down: player wants more exposure so he snipes high level / famous players. player has stream going to snipe but won't look at it cause he is an honorable guy. Player realizes sniping is half the battle. Why not do a weeeeeeeee bit cheating as well? Winning makes you famous. Stream sniper becomes stream cheater. All the while they swear "nah I am not like the others! I don't do it!" I don't trust players to be admirable and not cheat when they have nothing at stake. If Sheth is found cheating he loses public image etc.. it's bad. If Hammerstanstein is found cheating nobody cares. if you admit you stream snipe don't fault the people who don't trust you to not go the 1 step further and cheat. So really this is a problem with trust rather than with actual cheating? I think you could maybe get a bit of help from (as you already mentioned him) watching Sheth. I saw him play with Deezer the other day an unlike any other player I've ever seen, Sheth actually was kind to him and chatted friendly with him instead of just saying fuck you and then proceed to play the game. And what happens? Deezer actually doesn't stream cheat (or at least it doesn't seem so at all). So even though people like this haven't done anything to earn the trust of anybody, maybe we should try to have a bit more faith in them. Everybody has something good to them after all, at least that's my opinion. | ||
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Klondikebar
United States2227 Posts
On November 16 2011 07:03 iNcontroL wrote: lets break this down: player wants more exposure so he snipes high level / famous players. player has stream going to snipe but won't look at it cause he is an honorable guy. Player realizes sniping is half the battle. Why not do a weeeeeeeee bit cheating as well? Winning makes you famous. Stream sniper becomes stream cheater. All the while they swear "nah I am not like the others! I don't do it!" I don't trust players to be admirable and not cheat when they have nothing at stake. If Sheth is found cheating he loses public image etc.. it's bad. If Hammerstanstein is found cheating nobody cares. if you admit you stream snipe don't fault the people who don't trust you to not go the 1 step further and cheat. That is ultimately the slippery slope fallacy. If you watch a replay and there is no evidence that the person was stream cheating, it's silly to assume they were. I can understand getting annoyed when people use your stream to attention whore. But accusing them of cheating when you have no evidence (and in fact replays can even provide evidence to the contrary) isn't fair to them and just makes you appear sore about a loss. | ||
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luvy
Germany27 Posts
The thing is though, from the streamers point of view, you are still influencing their ladder practice. If you stream-snipe repeadetly you may also scare of the viewers of said stream. You may very well hurt the game-quality of the stream. You are forcing the player who you are sniping to play versus you, if he wants it or not. And if the player doesnt like the experience of your game you should not force him to play versus you again and again and again. I don't know, it feels kind of weird. I do understand that you want to have your shiny moment on stream or the opportunity to play versus a high-level opponent, but if you end up repeadetly stream-sniping á la Deezer/Combat-ex i simply cant give you thumbs up for it. Maybe think a little more critical about your streamsniping and try to empathize with the streamer. | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
Well, I'm a big newbie to stream stuff anyways, thanks for the info! | ||
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