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little water
Profile Joined September 2011
United States6 Posts
November 15 2011 22:01 GMT
#21
The problem is that once you have opened the stream for any reason (even if just to snipe innocently) there's simply no way to know whether you actually close it. It's hard to give the benefit of the doubt when the streamer knows you have opened the stream at all.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
November 15 2011 22:01 GMT
#22
On November 16 2011 07:00 Rudo wrote:
Show nested quote +
And is that even of concern whatsoever? If you could pick your opponent's, as long as the games were legit, would there be a huge issue? It worked fine for the most part with iccup.

The way he is using it isn't really a problem but the same thing could be used to get matched up against someone you beat much more consistently...or even for example pull a combatex and match up against people you know for win trading


If you wanted to win trade you wouldn't need to do it via stream, you'd just contact the person.
StavrosHL
Profile Joined December 2010
Greece128 Posts
November 15 2011 22:02 GMT
#23
On November 16 2011 06:56 Harstem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2011 06:54 FabledIntegral wrote:
I'm pretty sure this is common knowledge in the community.

You can also look pretty stupid to the community. I was playing IdrA one match and went for a stim timing attack off 2 base composed of MM to hit before he got bane speed or mutas (successful), only to realize that I forgot to tech stim itself, completely.

I looked like a fucking moron.


Even though this is common knowledge for most of the people in the community it isnt for some people. The reason why I made this thread is because Incontrol falsely accused me of stream-cheating.


and why even bother about what incontrol says and ANYONE to be honest? lol.
its simple: if u wanted to cheat u wouldnt even mention to any player u r sniping that u did so. i can also unbderstand that stream sniping is just inches away from stream cheating but i cannot think u r dumb by exposing u r self for confirming stream sniping. Players who loose to you might easily accused u for cheating ...just dont give a damn about them. Serious players WONT accuse you.

Stream sniping is absolutely legit and seems normal to me. Players i wanna meet, players u always dreamed to ''practice'' with...

keep going
esla_sol
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States756 Posts
November 15 2011 22:03 GMT
#24
I think it is really stupid especially when done repeatedly. From a viewers perspective I want to see variety. I could care less about watching you play, I'm there to watch the person streaming play. This is especially true if you suck, or do stupid builds (not saying that you do, but there are others).
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
November 15 2011 22:03 GMT
#25
lets break this down:

player wants more exposure so he snipes high level / famous players.
player has stream going to snipe but won't look at it cause he is an honorable guy.

Player realizes sniping is half the battle. Why not do a weeeeeeeee bit cheating as well? Winning makes you famous.
Stream sniper becomes stream cheater. All the while they swear "nah I am not like the others! I don't do it!"

I don't trust players to be admirable and not cheat when they have nothing at stake. If Sheth is found cheating he loses public image etc.. it's bad. If Hammerstanstein is found cheating nobody cares.

if you admit you stream snipe don't fault the people who don't trust you to not go the 1 step further and cheat.
Childplay
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada263 Posts
November 15 2011 22:03 GMT
#26
cant the streamer just delay the stream/ black it out so the other person cant cheat?
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
November 15 2011 22:05 GMT
#27
Stream cheating is as bad as maphacking. Sniping is fine on the other hand.
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
Juvant
Profile Joined April 2011
United States723 Posts
November 15 2011 22:05 GMT
#28
On November 16 2011 07:03 iNcontroL wrote:
lets break this down:

player wants more exposure so he snipes high level / famous players.
player has stream going to snipe but won't look at it cause he is an honorable guy.

Player realizes sniping is half the battle. Why not do a weeeeeeeee bit cheating as well? Winning makes you famous.
Stream sniper becomes stream cheater. All the while they swear "nah I am not like the others! I don't do it!"

I don't trust players to be admirable and not cheat when they have nothing at stake. If Sheth is found cheating he loses public image etc.. it's bad. If Hammerstanstein is found cheating nobody cares.

if you admit you stream snipe don't fault the people who don't trust you to not go the 1 step further and cheat.



Couldn't you have used someone other than Sheth in your example? My heart... it aches.
Psychonaut101
Profile Joined October 2011
2 Posts
November 15 2011 22:06 GMT
#29
if you black out your stream then you might as well not stream, your streaming to entertain people and watching a black screen is just not entertaining (even if you can understand the streamers motives).
Yes a delay does work and I know of a few streamers who do/did this.
nYaLa
Profile Joined January 2011
Uzbekistan295 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 22:07:09
November 15 2011 22:06 GMT
#30
lol i dont get this stream sniping shenanigans, just play the game ffs QQ

if u want exposure, get a better computer and stream for your self or play in daily cups and try to win or get far in them...

as a stream watcher i find it annoying to find the same mofo stream snipers/cheaters everytime, gets boring and i don't care about you, but the person who is streaming.
no
trucane
Profile Joined January 2009
United States553 Posts
November 15 2011 22:06 GMT
#31
What bothers me is how people streaming somehow think that people shouldn't be allowed to snipe/stream cheat them. Streaming is optional and if you have to do it you have to realize that people might do things like this to you. Don't want it to happen? Simple solution -> don't stream
Gustis
Profile Joined February 2011
Lithuania70 Posts
November 15 2011 22:07 GMT
#32
how stream sniping is NOT considered cheating by some? so it's only half cheating cuz you can cheat more by actually looking at the stream? ladder is supposed to be random... and by making it not random u get an advantage (ofc its not against tos, just like stream cheating). Thats some pathetic shit op has...
Real men 4gate.
qwertzi
Profile Joined March 2011
111 Posts
November 15 2011 22:07 GMT
#33
On November 16 2011 07:03 iNcontroL wrote:
lets break this down:

player wants more exposure so he snipes high level / famous players.
player has stream going to snipe but won't look at it cause he is an honorable guy.

Player realizes sniping is half the battle. Why not do a weeeeeeeee bit cheating as well? Winning makes you famous.
Stream sniper becomes stream cheater. All the while they swear "nah I am not like the others! I don't do it!"

I don't trust players to be admirable and not cheat when they have nothing at stake. If Sheth is found cheating he loses public image etc.. it's bad. If Hammerstanstein is found cheating nobody cares.

if you admit you stream snipe don't fault the people who don't trust you to not go the 1 step further and cheat.


this!

plus, if I see catz or whoever streamsnipe they do it in good fun! and stream themselves ...

if others do it... it is not hard to assume they would also just look once or twice...
just look at deezer and combat ex..

rofl, just play ur game and dont try to get famous on someone else's account..
Harstem
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands262 Posts
November 15 2011 22:08 GMT
#34
On November 16 2011 07:03 iNcontroL wrote:
lets break this down:

player wants more exposure so he snipes high level / famous players.
player has stream going to snipe but won't look at it cause he is an honorable guy.

Player realizes sniping is half the battle. Why not do a weeeeeeeee bit cheating as well? Winning makes you famous.
Stream sniper becomes stream cheater. All the while they swear "nah I am not like the others! I don't do it!"

I don't trust players to be admirable and not cheat when they have nothing at stake. If Sheth is found cheating he loses public image etc.. it's bad. If Hammerstanstein is found cheating nobody cares.

if you admit you stream snipe don't fault the people who don't trust you to not go the 1 step further and cheat.


If you don't trust people who stream snipe that is fine by me, but at least try to be fair and not act like you know 100% certain that the person in fact is cheating. More streamers have been giving that attitude more and more lately. It might seem like no big deal for you, but I also am in a team and if the sponsors/manager of that team reads " Hammerstanstein is a cheater" they might kick me out of the team.
Progamer
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
November 15 2011 22:09 GMT
#35
On November 16 2011 07:03 iNcontroL wrote:
lets break this down:

player wants more exposure so he snipes high level / famous players.
player has stream going to snipe but won't look at it cause he is an honorable guy.

Player realizes sniping is half the battle. Why not do a weeeeeeeee bit cheating as well? Winning makes you famous.
Stream sniper becomes stream cheater. All the while they swear "nah I am not like the others! I don't do it!"

I don't trust players to be admirable and not cheat when they have nothing at stake. If Sheth is found cheating he loses public image etc.. it's bad. If Hammerstanstein is found cheating nobody cares.

if you admit you stream snipe don't fault the people who don't trust you to not go the 1 step further and cheat.

I don't see why you need to be so defensive about it and rush to judgment. Sniping and cheating really are two different things, I get that your experience with some players has caused you to be irritated and cynical about this, but I think innocent until proven guilty is a good guideline to follow here.
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Harstem
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands262 Posts
November 15 2011 22:09 GMT
#36
On November 16 2011 07:06 nYaLa wrote:
lol i dont get this stream sniping shenanigans, just play the game ffs QQ

if u want exposure, get a better computer and stream for your self or play in daily cups and try to win or get far in them...

as a stream watcher i find it annoying to find the same mofo stream snipers/cheaters everytime, gets boring and i don't care about you, but the person who is streaming.


Gettting a better computer isn't as easy for everyone.
Progamer
Zzzapper
Profile Joined September 2011
1793 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 22:10:38
November 15 2011 22:09 GMT
#37
On November 16 2011 07:03 iNcontroL wrote:
lets break this down:

player wants more exposure so he snipes high level / famous players.
player has stream going to snipe but won't look at it cause he is an honorable guy.

Player realizes sniping is half the battle. Why not do a weeeeeeeee bit cheating as well? Winning makes you famous.
Stream sniper becomes stream cheater. All the while they swear "nah I am not like the others! I don't do it!"

I don't trust players to be admirable and not cheat when they have nothing at stake. If Sheth is found cheating he loses public image etc.. it's bad. If Hammerstanstein is found cheating nobody cares.

if you admit you stream snipe don't fault the people who don't trust you to not go the 1 step further and cheat.


So really this is a problem with trust rather than with actual cheating? I think you could maybe get a bit of help from (as you already mentioned him) watching Sheth. I saw him play with Deezer the other day an unlike any other player I've ever seen, Sheth actually was kind to him and chatted friendly with him instead of just saying fuck you and then proceed to play the game. And what happens? Deezer actually doesn't stream cheat (or at least it doesn't seem so at all).

So even though people like this haven't done anything to earn the trust of anybody, maybe we should try to have a bit more faith in them. Everybody has something good to them after all, at least that's my opinion.
Klondikebar
Profile Joined October 2011
United States2227 Posts
November 15 2011 22:13 GMT
#38
On November 16 2011 07:03 iNcontroL wrote:
lets break this down:

player wants more exposure so he snipes high level / famous players.
player has stream going to snipe but won't look at it cause he is an honorable guy.

Player realizes sniping is half the battle. Why not do a weeeeeeeee bit cheating as well? Winning makes you famous.
Stream sniper becomes stream cheater. All the while they swear "nah I am not like the others! I don't do it!"

I don't trust players to be admirable and not cheat when they have nothing at stake. If Sheth is found cheating he loses public image etc.. it's bad. If Hammerstanstein is found cheating nobody cares.

if you admit you stream snipe don't fault the people who don't trust you to not go the 1 step further and cheat.


That is ultimately the slippery slope fallacy.

If you watch a replay and there is no evidence that the person was stream cheating, it's silly to assume they were.

I can understand getting annoyed when people use your stream to attention whore. But accusing them of cheating when you have no evidence (and in fact replays can even provide evidence to the contrary) isn't fair to them and just makes you appear sore about a loss.
#2throwed
luvy
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany27 Posts
November 15 2011 22:13 GMT
#39
nice op!

The thing is though, from the streamers point of view, you are still influencing their ladder practice. If you stream-snipe repeadetly you may also scare of the viewers of said stream. You may very well hurt the game-quality of the stream.

You are forcing the player who you are sniping to play versus you, if he wants it or not. And if the player doesnt like the experience of your game you should not force him to play versus you again and again and again. I don't know, it feels kind of weird.

I do understand that you want to have your shiny moment on stream or the opportunity to play versus a high-level opponent, but if you end up repeadetly stream-sniping á la Deezer/Combat-ex i simply cant give you thumbs up for it.

Maybe think a little more critical about your streamsniping and try to empathize with the streamer.
www.livestream.com/luvy
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
November 15 2011 22:13 GMT
#40
Actually, I did not know that! :o
Well, I'm a big newbie to stream stuff anyways, thanks for the info!
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