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On November 16 2011 07:50 luvy wrote:
May i then ask for your motivation behind streamsniping and twitterspamming? Other than getting attention you could never get through your skill or tournament results eventhough you are top 200 gm?
because if that is the case i will stop writing in this thread as it is just hogging more attention to yourself...........
Hi again Luvy,
My motivation behind the streamsniping is been made quite clear in the op as well as different posts throughout the thread. I regret telling the guy my twitter and attention whoring. Normally I do not do shit like that, but sadly I did. I would like to apoligize for that fact. On the other hand I think a lot of people are to quick judging stream snipers.
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On November 16 2011 07:51 DrDoom wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 07:45 Harstem wrote:On November 16 2011 07:41 DrDoom wrote:
Stream sniping is cheating because it is a way for you to circumvent the matchmaking system. Even though streamers are letting your see when they click the find match button, by watching their stream and clicking it at the same time you are exploiting the system to get matched up against them when you should not. Cheating of this kind ruins the ladder experience for players since they are forced to play people they would normally not play (often of lower skill level). Stream snipers should be banned and it is in the best interest of Blizzard to do so in order to motive players to use the ladder as a practice tool.
If you want to play games against top players why don't you ask to custom with them? If they won't, why don't you just play on ladder until your MMR is high enough to get matched against them.
What makes you think you are better than the other people on ladder that are legitimately getting cued against these players? Hi sir, I am legitimately getting cued against these players, there is no way that really low level players get matched against high-tier players. I am gm on EU and I just enjoy playing vs good players for practice/getting some exposure. I do not see how this is in any way cheating. Then why do you need to stream snipe? If you want to play more games against these guys ask them to custom. What makes you think you deserve to get matched against them more than other people playing on ladder? As I said in my other post, if you want exposure show you're good by being high on ladder and playing in tourneys. By circumventing the matchmaking system all it shows is that you are selfish and don't mind circumventing the rules that are set in place. If you want to get good and be recognized you'll prioritize your time accordingly, not make excuses for cheating.
You're not circumventing the MM system though. You still have to hit "Find Match" and the system evaluates you against all other potential opponents in the queue and determines you are the best match for said streamer.
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Calling someone a cheater when you have no evidence they cheated, and basing that judgement solely on past experience of a few bad people doing so... Is incredibly ignorant. People like Incontrol need to have the professionalism to realize that what they say can carry a lot of weight, and possibly end someones career for no reason at all.
Calling every stream-sniper a stream-cheater is ridiculously silly.
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I personally have no problem with stream sniping, unless somebody does it to play the same person more than once. It isn't a big deal in itself.
Stream cheaters can go die in a hole. Especially you Deezer.
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I don't see what the problem with wanting to play against notably skilled players.
It's hard to prove weather or not someone is stream cheating though. You'd have to watch the replay to prove it really.
If they have a similar MMR to the person they are trying to snipe, then why can't they give the person streaming a run for their money?
When someone loses to a stream sniper they immediately blame it on stream cheating with little to no proof.
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On November 16 2011 07:51 DrDoom wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 07:45 Harstem wrote:On November 16 2011 07:41 DrDoom wrote:
Stream sniping is cheating because it is a way for you to circumvent the matchmaking system. Even though streamers are letting your see when they click the find match button, by watching their stream and clicking it at the same time you are exploiting the system to get matched up against them when you should not. Cheating of this kind ruins the ladder experience for players since they are forced to play people they would normally not play (often of lower skill level). Stream snipers should be banned and it is in the best interest of Blizzard to do so in order to motive players to use the ladder as a practice tool.
If you want to play games against top players why don't you ask to custom with them? If they won't, why don't you just play on ladder until your MMR is high enough to get matched against them.
What makes you think you are better than the other people on ladder that are legitimately getting cued against these players? Hi sir, I am legitimately getting cued against these players, there is no way that really low level players get matched against high-tier players. I am gm on EU and I just enjoy playing vs good players for practice/getting some exposure. I do not see how this is in any way cheating. Then why do you need to stream snipe? If you want to play more games against these guys ask them to custom. What makes you think you deserve to get matched against them more than other people playing on ladder? As I said in my other post, if you want exposure show you're good by being high on ladder and playing in tourneys. By circumventing the matchmaking system all it shows is that you are selfish and don't mind circumventing the rules that are set in place. If you want to get good and be recognized you'll prioritize your time accordingly, not make excuses for cheating.
Hi DrDoom,
Our opinions clearly differ, I already tried explaining my motivation and why I do it.
If you feel different I do not think there is any way I can make you change your mind. I just wanted to make a thread explaining that not all stream snipers are cheaters.
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It's all in the intent. OP isn't honestly doing anything wrong if he's writing the truth. Nothing wrong on stream to see someone who's gunning for the specific streamer for a game to test his skills. Problem is, most of the time it's RatzDeezer or combatex purposely trying to ruin the stream. Why? There actually is not a legitimate reason, unless you count being a dick as one.
I'd say don't stream snipe because of the stigma attached to it, but if you have good intentions then whatever. Have your fun but try not to ruin anyone else's.
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Or, Blizzard and Jtv/Twitch/Whoever could collaborate on something called "Registered Streams". If a pro player uses a Registered Stream, Blizzard sends the IP address of their opponent to their registered streaming provider. That provider agrees to black out the stream for the opponent's IP for the duration of the game.
This could cause larger groups of folks to get blacked out if there's network address translation going on, or proxies. Also, it could be circumvented by using some other access point (cell phone or something). I think it's an improvement, and would solve the problem in most cases. You'll always have the locksmith/thief battle about these sorts of things.
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On November 16 2011 07:56 Harstem wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 07:51 DrDoom wrote:On November 16 2011 07:45 Harstem wrote:On November 16 2011 07:41 DrDoom wrote:
Stream sniping is cheating because it is a way for you to circumvent the matchmaking system. Even though streamers are letting your see when they click the find match button, by watching their stream and clicking it at the same time you are exploiting the system to get matched up against them when you should not. Cheating of this kind ruins the ladder experience for players since they are forced to play people they would normally not play (often of lower skill level). Stream snipers should be banned and it is in the best interest of Blizzard to do so in order to motive players to use the ladder as a practice tool.
If you want to play games against top players why don't you ask to custom with them? If they won't, why don't you just play on ladder until your MMR is high enough to get matched against them.
What makes you think you are better than the other people on ladder that are legitimately getting cued against these players? Hi sir, I am legitimately getting cued against these players, there is no way that really low level players get matched against high-tier players. I am gm on EU and I just enjoy playing vs good players for practice/getting some exposure. I do not see how this is in any way cheating. Then why do you need to stream snipe? If you want to play more games against these guys ask them to custom. What makes you think you deserve to get matched against them more than other people playing on ladder? As I said in my other post, if you want exposure show you're good by being high on ladder and playing in tourneys. By circumventing the matchmaking system all it shows is that you are selfish and don't mind circumventing the rules that are set in place. If you want to get good and be recognized you'll prioritize your time accordingly, not make excuses for cheating. Hi DrDoom, Our opinions clearly differ, I already tried explaining my motivation and why I do it. If you feel different I do not think there is any way I can make you change your mind. I just wanted to make a thread explaining that not all stream snipers are cheaters.
If you want to explain your behavior then why don't you answer my questions.
Why do you think you deserve to get matched against these players more than other people on the ladder?
What not just ask for custom games if you want to play these guys?
If you want to be recognized why don't you prioritize your time accordingly instead of taking the easy way out that many people consider cheating?
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iNcontroL
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On November 16 2011 07:54 Uncultured wrote:
Calling someone a cheater when you have no evidence they cheated, and basing that judgement solely on past experience of a few bad people doing so... Is incredibly ignorant. People like Incontrol need to have the professionalism to realize that what they say can carry a lot of weight, and possibly end someones career for no reason at all.
Calling every stream-sniper a stream-cheater is ridiculously silly.
I love it when people call into question "professionalism"
I am a professional. I stream for money and to extend my social-reach. When someone spams my game with their twitter, says "sup guys" to my stream and then complains when I call them a "stream cheater" I have no regrets.
if that makes me unprofessional so be it.
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Don't want to get stream sniped/cheated? Don't stream.
Don't want to get your robbed?? Don't leave your wallet alone in the middle of the street full of cash in a bad neighborhood for 5 days.
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On November 16 2011 07:50 Harstem wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 07:48 Zeddicus wrote:
I think if you stream snipe, you can expect the person you snipe to believe you are cheating along with it--regardless of whether you are or not. If you don't want to be accused of cheating, don't snipe. This seems to be what people think, but I think it's a bit odd as there is nothing wrong with some sniping. I think it is strange that people directly think your are cheating when u snipe. But that is my opinion ofcourse. With this thread I just wanted to make clear that not everybody who streamsnipes is like combat ex.
You are entitled to your opinion, that's cool. I agree, not everyone who snipes is stream cheating at the same time as well. But, it's just the hard truth, you will be labeled a cheater. It's like that Dave Chappelle "Whore's Uniform" bit. You may not be a cheater, but you are wearing a cheater's uniform. You can't get mad when someone calls you a cheater while you are wearing a cheater's uniform. You aren't going to make any ground pleading to the community that people wearing cheater uniforms aren't cheaters either. Unfortunately all this thread turned out to be is a giant billboard on the highway saying "I'm wearing a cheater's uniform"
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On November 16 2011 08:06 TheChostoProject wrote:
Don't want to get stream sniped/cheated? Don't stream.
Don't want to get your robbed?? Don't leave your wallet alone in the middle of the street full of cash in a bad neighborhood for 5 days.
dont want to get labelled a stream cheater? dont stream snipe? see how that works?
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On November 16 2011 08:03 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 07:54 Uncultured wrote:
Calling someone a cheater when you have no evidence they cheated, and basing that judgement solely on past experience of a few bad people doing so... Is incredibly ignorant. People like Incontrol need to have the professionalism to realize that what they say can carry a lot of weight, and possibly end someones career for no reason at all.
Calling every stream-sniper a stream-cheater is ridiculously silly. I love it when people call into question "professionalism" I am a professional. I stream for money and to extend my social-reach. When someone spams my game with their twitter, says "sup guys" to my stream and then complains when I call them a "stream cheater" I have no regrets. if that makes me unprofessional so be it.
Hi iNcontroL,
Even though we do not agree with each other on this topic I would like you to think about the impact on someone's "carreer" u have as a pretty well known figure in the community. For the telling my twitter I apoligize, that isn't what i normally do and I will not do it again in the future. For the saying sup guys, I see nothing wrong with that.
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On November 16 2011 08:03 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 07:54 Uncultured wrote:
Calling someone a cheater when you have no evidence they cheated, and basing that judgement solely on past experience of a few bad people doing so... Is incredibly ignorant. People like Incontrol need to have the professionalism to realize that what they say can carry a lot of weight, and possibly end someones career for no reason at all.
Calling every stream-sniper a stream-cheater is ridiculously silly. I love it when people call into question "professionalism" I am a professional. I stream for money and to extend my social-reach. When someone spams my game with their twitter, says "sup guys" to my stream and then complains when I call them a "stream cheater" I have no regrets. if that makes me unprofessional so be it.
It could be the fact that they know you are streaming and trying to promote themselves.
There is no proof there that they are watching it.
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Stream sniping is the same as cheating. This is because you are cheating the system which is supposed to select opponents at random for the other player, by forcing them to play you. This whole thread is a joke.
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On November 16 2011 08:06 TheChostoProject wrote:
Don't want to get stream sniped/cheated? Don't stream.
Don't want to get your robbed?? Don't leave your wallet alone in the middle of the street full of cash in a bad neighborhood for 5 days.
Are you troll or really stupid person.
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On November 16 2011 08:06 TheChostoProject wrote:
Don't want to get stream sniped/cheated? Don't stream.
Don't want to get your robbed?? Don't leave your wallet alone in the middle of the street full of cash in a bad neighborhood for 5 days.
This is a ridiculous straw man argument.
While it is true that not streaming prevents stream sniping/cheating this is not what is in the best interest for the community. If people want pro players to stream and if the community wants to make it possible for players to earn a living by streaming then we must not tolerate any kind of stream sniping or cheating.
If blizzard wants pro players to use their ladder to practice it is also in their best interest to ban stream snipers and cheaters.
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On November 16 2011 08:07 Zeddicus wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 07:50 Harstem wrote:On November 16 2011 07:48 Zeddicus wrote:
I think if you stream snipe, you can expect the person you snipe to believe you are cheating along with it--regardless of whether you are or not. If you don't want to be accused of cheating, don't snipe. This seems to be what people think, but I think it's a bit odd as there is nothing wrong with some sniping. I think it is strange that people directly think your are cheating when u snipe. But that is my opinion ofcourse. With this thread I just wanted to make clear that not everybody who streamsnipes is like combat ex. You are entitled to your opinion, that's cool. I agree, not everyone who snipes is stream cheating at the same time as well. But, it's just the hard truth, you will be labeled a cheater. It's like that Dave Chappelle "Whore's Uniform" bit. You may not be a cheater, but you are wearing a cheater's uniform. You can't get mad when someone calls you a cheater while you are wearing a cheater's uniform. You aren't going to make any ground pleading to the community that people wearing cheater uniforms aren't cheaters either. Unfortunately all this thread turned out to be is a giant billboard on the highway saying "I'm wearing a cheater's uniform"
Hi Zeddicus,
I completely understand, but I just feel like you should not judge people the way their uniform looks, but what the clues tell you!
I just wanted to tell the community that not every stream sniper is a stream cheater and that there actually is a difference! <3
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iNcontroL
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On November 16 2011 08:08 EmerTehFreek wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 08:03 iNcontroL wrote:On November 16 2011 07:54 Uncultured wrote:
Calling someone a cheater when you have no evidence they cheated, and basing that judgement solely on past experience of a few bad people doing so... Is incredibly ignorant. People like Incontrol need to have the professionalism to realize that what they say can carry a lot of weight, and possibly end someones career for no reason at all.
Calling every stream-sniper a stream-cheater is ridiculously silly. I love it when people call into question "professionalism" I am a professional. I stream for money and to extend my social-reach. When someone spams my game with their twitter, says "sup guys" to my stream and then complains when I call them a "stream cheater" I have no regrets. if that makes me unprofessional so be it. It could be the fact that they know you are streaming and trying to promote themselves. There is no proof there that they are watching it.
Yup. Read my previous posts for why I don't care about "evidence" or whatever. It isn't like I am having this man hung.. he wants to spam and stream snipe famous players fine, he will look like a cheater. If he doesn't cheat he probably shouldn't announce he is stream sniping and then talk to my stream.
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