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On November 16 2011 08:17 DrDoom wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 08:12 Harstem wrote:On November 16 2011 08:08 Fym wrote:
Stream sniping is the same as cheating. This is because you are cheating the system which is supposed to select opponents at random for the other player, by forcing them to play you. This whole thread is a joke. Hi Fym, If you still feel like stream sniping is the same as cheating , than I think u missed the point of this thread. I tried to explain that there is a difference. It looks like you're being pretty good about addressing people's post. But you still haven't answered my post Why do you think you deserve to get matched against these players more than other people on the ladder? What not just ask for custom games if you want to play these guys? If you want to be recognized why don't you prioritize your time accordingly instead of taking the easy way out that many people consider cheating? As I mentioned in my previous post this selfish behavior is bad for the community. If people want pro players to stream and if the community wants to make it possible for players to earn a living by streaming then stream sniping and cheating should not be tolerated. Would you rather that no pros stream to avoid getting sniped or being able to watch their streams?
I dont care if theyre getting sniped as a viewer. In fact, I am happy to see some "underdogs" playing and eventually winning against them. As long as they just do it once (like Harstem) and dont cheat everything is fine. The skill level of game is the same as without sniping as the MMR is about the same 
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On November 16 2011 08:17 Erasme wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 08:14 JEcho wrote:On November 16 2011 08:11 Erasme wrote:On November 16 2011 08:06 TheChostoProject wrote:
Don't want to get stream sniped/cheated? Don't stream.
Don't want to get your robbed?? Don't leave your wallet alone in the middle of the street full of cash in a bad neighborhood for 5 days.
^ thanks. If he's cheating/streamsniping on 1 game out of 20, so what ? Do you lose money ? No. If he's attention whoring, so what ? It's human and natural. But you can't call him out without any proof. Watch the replay before calling him a fucking cheater. Also Nerchio did streamsnipe Stephano a few times, guess what ? It was all in good fun. Sorry why cant you do this? is it ..... possibly unethical? is it because the sniper doesnt like it? why does that sound familiar. It should be up to the streamer if its all in good fun, most people wouldnt get mad at a friend. Because you look stupid and mad.
you look stupid and mad? then why is it the sniper who is complaining, shouldnt incontrol be more concerned with looking stupid and mad, danm these snipers really care about him.
In any case i guess the OP is right, (gunna use incontrol as an example) what are you thinking incontrol, have some compassion. If someone wants to do whatever they can to bypass matchmaking its their right. You should play them and enjoy it. Once the game is over dont blame anything on them cheating, at least not until you've allocated some time to going over the replay and displayed it to a court of law. Allow a jury to vote, only once the majority decides they are cheating can you say anything. /sarcasm
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On November 16 2011 08:16 Cascade wrote:
While inc probably shouldnt call you a 100% cheater without proof, maybe you can have som understanding for his side. He sometimes streams, and when he does, he often get matched with snipers. Many of these cheat. There is no way whatsoever to prove if they are cheating or not, yet he knows that a big fraction does.
Ofc inc will feel frustrated, as he wants to show games to his fans, but is annoyed by the stream cheaters. I can perfectly well understand that it is not so easy for him to always go "well, I have no solid proof that this guy doesnt cheat, so I wont be annoyed at him". When he encounters another stream sniper, and thus probably a cheater, he will get annoyed and things like that can slip.
So when you snipe, realise that you mix yourself in with a group of cheaters, and there is no way for anyone to tell if you are cheating or not. I dont think stream sniping is helping the streamer much, actually I just think it blocks him from potentially getting matched with someone really good (snipers are often a bit below the level of the streamer), thus actually making the stream less enjoyable to watch.
So in the end I have no sympathy for you. I have no idea if you cheat or not, and you will never be able to prove either, but even assuming you are not cheating, you are still harming the stream (by blocking him from better opponents, by advertising yourself, and by putting the streamer in a bad mood for facing another sniper/cheater). Why? attention.
If you want attention, (maybe even positive attention, who knows!) then write a guide in the strategy section with your favourite build,exlplaining all its ins and outs, and attach a replay pack. I assume you are high master (or GM) if you get matched with inc, so you should be able to do that in a way that help a lot of people. gl.
Hi Cascade,
I get your point, but I still feel like he shouldn't just blindly state before the game even really started "you stream cheat" that is all I wanted to achieve by creating this thread. Have a good night and see you in the morning!
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On November 16 2011 08:21 Harstem wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 08:16 Cascade wrote:
While inc probably shouldnt call you a 100% cheater without proof, maybe you can have som understanding for his side. He sometimes streams, and when he does, he often get matched with snipers. Many of these cheat. There is no way whatsoever to prove if they are cheating or not, yet he knows that a big fraction does.
Ofc inc will feel frustrated, as he wants to show games to his fans, but is annoyed by the stream cheaters. I can perfectly well understand that it is not so easy for him to always go "well, I have no solid proof that this guy doesnt cheat, so I wont be annoyed at him". When he encounters another stream sniper, and thus probably a cheater, he will get annoyed and things like that can slip.
So when you snipe, realise that you mix yourself in with a group of cheaters, and there is no way for anyone to tell if you are cheating or not. I dont think stream sniping is helping the streamer much, actually I just think it blocks him from potentially getting matched with someone really good (snipers are often a bit below the level of the streamer), thus actually making the stream less enjoyable to watch.
So in the end I have no sympathy for you. I have no idea if you cheat or not, and you will never be able to prove either, but even assuming you are not cheating, you are still harming the stream (by blocking him from better opponents, by advertising yourself, and by putting the streamer in a bad mood for facing another sniper/cheater). Why? attention.
If you want attention, (maybe even positive attention, who knows!) then write a guide in the strategy section with your favourite build,exlplaining all its ins and outs, and attach a replay pack. I assume you are high master (or GM) if you get matched with inc, so you should be able to do that in a way that help a lot of people. gl.
Hi Cascade, I get your point, but I still feel like he shouldn't just blindly state before the game even really started "you stream cheat" that is all I wanted to achieve by creating this thread. Have a good night and see you in the morning!
what do you propose he do to stop you from stream sniping?
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if the point of this op was to show everyone you are a stream sniper and Incontrol thinks you are a stream cheater. mission accomplished.
if the point was to disprove you are a stream cheater and that you are a legitimate up and comer in the scene. mission gloriously failed.
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On November 16 2011 08:21 Harstem wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 08:16 Cascade wrote:
While inc probably shouldnt call you a 100% cheater without proof, maybe you can have som understanding for his side. He sometimes streams, and when he does, he often get matched with snipers. Many of these cheat. There is no way whatsoever to prove if they are cheating or not, yet he knows that a big fraction does.
Ofc inc will feel frustrated, as he wants to show games to his fans, but is annoyed by the stream cheaters. I can perfectly well understand that it is not so easy for him to always go "well, I have no solid proof that this guy doesnt cheat, so I wont be annoyed at him". When he encounters another stream sniper, and thus probably a cheater, he will get annoyed and things like that can slip.
So when you snipe, realise that you mix yourself in with a group of cheaters, and there is no way for anyone to tell if you are cheating or not. I dont think stream sniping is helping the streamer much, actually I just think it blocks him from potentially getting matched with someone really good (snipers are often a bit below the level of the streamer), thus actually making the stream less enjoyable to watch.
So in the end I have no sympathy for you. I have no idea if you cheat or not, and you will never be able to prove either, but even assuming you are not cheating, you are still harming the stream (by blocking him from better opponents, by advertising yourself, and by putting the streamer in a bad mood for facing another sniper/cheater). Why? attention.
If you want attention, (maybe even positive attention, who knows!) then write a guide in the strategy section with your favourite build,exlplaining all its ins and outs, and attach a replay pack. I assume you are high master (or GM) if you get matched with inc, so you should be able to do that in a way that help a lot of people. gl.
Hi Cascade, I get your point, but I still feel like he shouldn't just blindly state before the game even really started "you stream cheat" that is all I wanted to achieve by creating this thread. Have a good night and see you in the morning!
By not responding to my post you are acknowledging that you are just being selfish when stream sniping and have no real reasons to be doing this. Your actions are just as bad as any stream cheater and are bad for the community. Instead of being recognized all you are doing is gaining infamy.
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So I get streamsniped sometimes, which is amusing because I am in Gold league. It's actually quite a problem for me, makes the matches much tougher because as a gold league player my play is very limited in terms of what I can reliably do so I am far more predictable if people have watched my stream and gotten an idea of my playstyle. I don't really begrudge people for doing it but for a time I did run a short 1 minute delay on my stream to prevent it from happening because it was causing me difficulties at the time.
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On November 16 2011 08:17 DrDoom wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 08:12 Harstem wrote:On November 16 2011 08:08 Fym wrote:
Stream sniping is the same as cheating. This is because you are cheating the system which is supposed to select opponents at random for the other player, by forcing them to play you. This whole thread is a joke. Hi Fym, If you still feel like stream sniping is the same as cheating , than I think u missed the point of this thread. I tried to explain that there is a difference. It looks like you're being pretty good about addressing people's post. But you still haven't answered my post Why do you think you deserve to get matched against these players more than other people on the ladder? What not just ask for custom games if you want to play these guys? If you want to be recognized why don't you prioritize your time accordingly instead of taking the easy way out that many people consider cheating? As I mentioned in my previous post this selfish behavior is bad for the community. If people want pro players to stream and if the community wants to make it possible for players to earn a living by streaming then stream sniping and cheating should not be tolerated. Would you rather that no pros stream to avoid getting sniped or being able to watch their streams?
Hi DrDoom,
I am sorry I did not adress your post, but that is because I am not a native english speaker and I don't feel that I could clearly word what I would like to reply to your post. The custom game part is easy: They almost never wanna play if I ask 
Goodnight
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On November 16 2011 08:24 TotalBiscuit wrote:
So I get streamsniped sometimes, which is amusing because I am in Gold league. It's actually quite a problem for me, makes the matches much tougher because as a gold league player my play is very limited in terms of what I can reliably do so I am far more predictable if people have watched my stream and gotten an idea of my playstyle. I don't really begrudge people for doing it but for a time I did run a short 1 minute delay on my stream to prevent it from happening because it was causing me difficulties at the time.
Hi Totalbiscuit,
I get that it sometimes is annoying, but is it a good enough reason to just blindly call someone a stream cheater?
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On November 16 2011 08:13 Zeddicus wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 08:06 TheChostoProject wrote:
Don't want to get stream sniped/cheated? Don't stream.
Don't want to get your robbed?? Don't leave your wallet alone in the middle of the street full of cash in a bad neighborhood for 5 days.
Your two statements are not relevant to eachother. I think you meant to say: Don't want to get stream sniped/cheated? Don't stream.
Don't want to get your robbed?? Don't earn any money.That won't be acceptable will it?
Ok, perhaps I was exaggerating.
But if you're gonna complain about stream abuse, then you all should be claiming for full stream regulation. That includes not only measures against sniping/cheating, but also sharing the earning with the opponents (no reason why the stream should get all the money when he's always playing agaisnt someone else), AND copyright regulation for music.
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On November 16 2011 08:21 Harstem wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 08:16 Cascade wrote:
While inc probably shouldnt call you a 100% cheater without proof, maybe you can have som understanding for his side. He sometimes streams, and when he does, he often get matched with snipers. Many of these cheat. There is no way whatsoever to prove if they are cheating or not, yet he knows that a big fraction does.
Ofc inc will feel frustrated, as he wants to show games to his fans, but is annoyed by the stream cheaters. I can perfectly well understand that it is not so easy for him to always go "well, I have no solid proof that this guy doesnt cheat, so I wont be annoyed at him". When he encounters another stream sniper, and thus probably a cheater, he will get annoyed and things like that can slip.
So when you snipe, realise that you mix yourself in with a group of cheaters, and there is no way for anyone to tell if you are cheating or not. I dont think stream sniping is helping the streamer much, actually I just think it blocks him from potentially getting matched with someone really good (snipers are often a bit below the level of the streamer), thus actually making the stream less enjoyable to watch.
So in the end I have no sympathy for you. I have no idea if you cheat or not, and you will never be able to prove either, but even assuming you are not cheating, you are still harming the stream (by blocking him from better opponents, by advertising yourself, and by putting the streamer in a bad mood for facing another sniper/cheater). Why? attention.
If you want attention, (maybe even positive attention, who knows!) then write a guide in the strategy section with your favourite build,exlplaining all its ins and outs, and attach a replay pack. I assume you are high master (or GM) if you get matched with inc, so you should be able to do that in a way that help a lot of people. gl.
Hi Cascade, I get your point, but I still feel like he shouldn't just blindly state before the game even really started "you stream cheat" that is all I wanted to achieve by creating this thread. Have a good night and see you in the morning!
hi there,
If we are going to make a 10+ page therad every time a stremer makes a small slip (yes, this is a very small and instantly forgiven slip from inc) RICH would have to invent a new data-compression system to fit them all on their server. Post this in his stream thread at most, or better, realise that you annoy the streamer by sniping and stop doing it.
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On November 16 2011 08:25 Harstem wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 08:24 TotalBiscuit wrote:
So I get streamsniped sometimes, which is amusing because I am in Gold league. It's actually quite a problem for me, makes the matches much tougher because as a gold league player my play is very limited in terms of what I can reliably do so I am far more predictable if people have watched my stream and gotten an idea of my playstyle. I don't really begrudge people for doing it but for a time I did run a short 1 minute delay on my stream to prevent it from happening because it was causing me difficulties at the time. Hi Totalbiscuit, I get that it sometimes is annoying, but is it a good enough reason to just blindly call someone a stream cheater?
What else can he do to stop you from sniping him?
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On November 16 2011 08:25 Cascade wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 08:21 Harstem wrote:On November 16 2011 08:16 Cascade wrote:
While inc probably shouldnt call you a 100% cheater without proof, maybe you can have som understanding for his side. He sometimes streams, and when he does, he often get matched with snipers. Many of these cheat. There is no way whatsoever to prove if they are cheating or not, yet he knows that a big fraction does.
Ofc inc will feel frustrated, as he wants to show games to his fans, but is annoyed by the stream cheaters. I can perfectly well understand that it is not so easy for him to always go "well, I have no solid proof that this guy doesnt cheat, so I wont be annoyed at him". When he encounters another stream sniper, and thus probably a cheater, he will get annoyed and things like that can slip.
So when you snipe, realise that you mix yourself in with a group of cheaters, and there is no way for anyone to tell if you are cheating or not. I dont think stream sniping is helping the streamer much, actually I just think it blocks him from potentially getting matched with someone really good (snipers are often a bit below the level of the streamer), thus actually making the stream less enjoyable to watch.
So in the end I have no sympathy for you. I have no idea if you cheat or not, and you will never be able to prove either, but even assuming you are not cheating, you are still harming the stream (by blocking him from better opponents, by advertising yourself, and by putting the streamer in a bad mood for facing another sniper/cheater). Why? attention.
If you want attention, (maybe even positive attention, who knows!) then write a guide in the strategy section with your favourite build,exlplaining all its ins and outs, and attach a replay pack. I assume you are high master (or GM) if you get matched with inc, so you should be able to do that in a way that help a lot of people. gl.
Hi Cascade, I get your point, but I still feel like he shouldn't just blindly state before the game even really started "you stream cheat" that is all I wanted to achieve by creating this thread. Have a good night and see you in the morning! hi there, If we are going to make a 10+ page therad every time a stremer makes a small slip (yes, this is a very small and instantly forgiven slip from inc) RICH would have to invent a new data-compression system to fit them all on their server. Post this in his stream thread at most, or better, realise that you annoy the streamer by sniping and stop doing it.
Hi Cascade,
this isn't just about incontrol, lately more streamers have been just blindly calling people streamcheater without having any evidence.
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On November 16 2011 08:27 JEcho wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 08:25 Harstem wrote:On November 16 2011 08:24 TotalBiscuit wrote:
So I get streamsniped sometimes, which is amusing because I am in Gold league. It's actually quite a problem for me, makes the matches much tougher because as a gold league player my play is very limited in terms of what I can reliably do so I am far more predictable if people have watched my stream and gotten an idea of my playstyle. I don't really begrudge people for doing it but for a time I did run a short 1 minute delay on my stream to prevent it from happening because it was causing me difficulties at the time. Hi Totalbiscuit, I get that it sometimes is annoying, but is it a good enough reason to just blindly call someone a stream cheater? What else can he do to stop you from sniping him?
Hi JEcho,
Did you actually read the OP and all the other posts I made?
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On November 16 2011 08:25 Harstem wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 08:24 TotalBiscuit wrote:
So I get streamsniped sometimes, which is amusing because I am in Gold league. It's actually quite a problem for me, makes the matches much tougher because as a gold league player my play is very limited in terms of what I can reliably do so I am far more predictable if people have watched my stream and gotten an idea of my playstyle. I don't really begrudge people for doing it but for a time I did run a short 1 minute delay on my stream to prevent it from happening because it was causing me difficulties at the time. Hi Totalbiscuit, I get that it sometimes is annoying, but is it a good enough reason to just blindly call someone a stream cheater?
They arnt doing it blindly, they know you are watching the stream so they have atleast some evidence to point to.
If you dont want to be called a cheater stop sniping, cant see the reason you HAVE to snipe.
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On November 16 2011 08:21 Harstem wrote:
Hi Cascade,
I get your point, but I still feel like he shouldn't just blindly state before the game even really started "you stream cheat" that is all I wanted to achieve by creating this thread. Have a good night and see you in the morning!
On November 16 2011 08:15 Junichi wrote:
Somehow I feel this thread isn't really about stream sniping anymore, but about Harstem trying to get an "apology" out of incontrol.
At Harstem: I can't shake the feeling this thread is more about you getting recognition and "clearing" your name, than about discussing whether or not stream sniping is ok, or not.
Being right is nice...
Harstem I really think you shouldn't pay so much attention to what other people think of you.
Edit: And now that you admitted this thread was just about you (+ incontrol's reaction to your stream sniping) and how you felt, I can't help but feel this topic is way to insignificant to justify a thread... You seemingly acted a lot like one of the stream cheaters and got called out for it, get over it.
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As far as I can see stream sniping is a no win proposition for the sniper.
Most of the people watching the stream will be fans of the person streaming, so if you win they aren't going to like you. They are going to say "well, he's sniped him so he's probably cheating." Even if you're not stream cheating, the viewers will assume you are cause they don't like to think their favourite player will lose to some random on the ladder.
Forget about the streamer for a moment, it's the people watching you're trying to impress. They don't like you for what you just did.
If you lose then you must be really bad to cheat and STILL lose.
If you win they will assume it's cause you cheated.
If I see deezer beat incontrol I don't think "wow, that deezer guy is really good". I think what a lame, annoying cheating prick.
If you want to play incontrol ask him for some custom games or something while he streams to raise your profile.
Incontrol is a good guy, if you're polite he might be able to help you out. If you're really good at the game some high profile people might take notice and actually want to play you.
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On November 16 2011 08:27 Harstem wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 08:25 Cascade wrote:On November 16 2011 08:21 Harstem wrote:On November 16 2011 08:16 Cascade wrote:
While inc probably shouldnt call you a 100% cheater without proof, maybe you can have som understanding for his side. He sometimes streams, and when he does, he often get matched with snipers. Many of these cheat. There is no way whatsoever to prove if they are cheating or not, yet he knows that a big fraction does.
Ofc inc will feel frustrated, as he wants to show games to his fans, but is annoyed by the stream cheaters. I can perfectly well understand that it is not so easy for him to always go "well, I have no solid proof that this guy doesnt cheat, so I wont be annoyed at him". When he encounters another stream sniper, and thus probably a cheater, he will get annoyed and things like that can slip.
So when you snipe, realise that you mix yourself in with a group of cheaters, and there is no way for anyone to tell if you are cheating or not. I dont think stream sniping is helping the streamer much, actually I just think it blocks him from potentially getting matched with someone really good (snipers are often a bit below the level of the streamer), thus actually making the stream less enjoyable to watch.
So in the end I have no sympathy for you. I have no idea if you cheat or not, and you will never be able to prove either, but even assuming you are not cheating, you are still harming the stream (by blocking him from better opponents, by advertising yourself, and by putting the streamer in a bad mood for facing another sniper/cheater). Why? attention.
If you want attention, (maybe even positive attention, who knows!) then write a guide in the strategy section with your favourite build,exlplaining all its ins and outs, and attach a replay pack. I assume you are high master (or GM) if you get matched with inc, so you should be able to do that in a way that help a lot of people. gl.
Hi Cascade, I get your point, but I still feel like he shouldn't just blindly state before the game even really started "you stream cheat" that is all I wanted to achieve by creating this thread. Have a good night and see you in the morning! hi there, If we are going to make a 10+ page therad every time a stremer makes a small slip (yes, this is a very small and instantly forgiven slip from inc) RICH would have to invent a new data-compression system to fit them all on their server. Post this in his stream thread at most, or better, realise that you annoy the streamer by sniping and stop doing it. Hi Cascade, this isn't just about incontrol, lately more streamers have been just blindly calling people streamcheater without having any evidence.
Dear Harstem,
while I, as previously mentioned, do not support streamers claiming that the sniper is also cheating as an absolutely confirmed fact, I see this as a very small problem compared to the problem that the streamers get sniped in the first hand. Thus, from my point of view, you are asking for improvements in a small problem that you were subjected to which is a direct cause of a much larger problem that you are causing. If anything, you owe inc an apology, as I see it.
my very best regards,
Cascade
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sure, but how are people sure that you *aren't* stream cheating.
If you say you don't want to get false accused of stream cheating then stop stream sniping. because it's just a small little step to go from stream sniping to cheating. (you already have it open')
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you should still get punched in the face.
You should be searching for matches on your own, not waiting until your favorite pro hits "play". If you want to be legit about it, then let the system choose your opponent for you. If it wasn't a big deal we'd all be doing it, trying to get efamous for losing on a pros stream.
There are ways of stopping this as a streamer, like making it more difficult by running commercials while you decide to look for matches. Oh but then there is adblock, so if you are using that you also deserve to get punched in the face because you are hurting ESPORTS by not allowing commercials to be played.
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