EPT1.4.2 Patch notes PTR - Page 100
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Kabras
Romania3508 Posts
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Dalavita
Sweden1113 Posts
On October 27 2011 21:52 Kabras wrote: omfg will blizzard ever stop buffing toss and nerfing terran in every patch?? Bunkers, barracks, thors, stimpack, hellions, now ghosts. Terran is the new zerg while toss is a fuckin skeleton vampire swordsman from hell who shoots fireballs from his ass and shits all over everyone else's stuff. Better give toss free upgrades so gateway units can be as imba as colossi and forcefields. And as usual, zerg will get the crappiest end of the blizzard patch stick, +2+2 12min "timing attack" laughing at your 3rd base. Calm down. Terrans have the better players, so they're going to win regardless, and us scrubs can watch them and learn, and everything is normal yet again. | ||
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rEalGuapo
Germany832 Posts
On October 27 2011 21:52 Kabras wrote: omfg will blizzard ever stop buffing toss and nerfing terran in every patch?? Bunkers, barracks, thors, stimpack, hellions, now ghosts. Terran is the new zerg while toss is a fuckin skeleton vampire swordsman from hell who shoots fireballs from his ass and shits all over everyone else's stuff. Better give toss free upgrades so gateway units can be as imba as colossi and forcefields. And as usual, zerg will get the crappiest end of the blizzard patch stick, +2+2 12min "timing attack" laughing at your 3rd base. Yeah those Zerg won't stand a chance now that I can replace one Zealot with a Stalker in my timing attack. This Change sooooooo breaks the game!! Why do you guys all think -50/-50 for +2+2 Upgrade is such a gamebreaker..... it is nothing, you save 50/50 once per game the second you start +2+2......... If you don't believe me check here for the exact math. Stop hating on Protoss just because you got used to do it. Edit: just scanned through this Thread, I think I'm getting sick.... -50/-50 at minute 12 for a one-time purchase certainly is not an "epic buff" a "game breaker" and does not mean that you "should really switch to Protoss now" or that they could "remove Terran, makes no difference" The EMP change, was done because EMP was meant to take out shields of special Units like Immortals, as said in an Interview @ Blizzcon. It was never meant to just eradicate all the energy and shields with 4 clicks.... And keep in mind that EMP now has the same radius as Psystorm, do you really want to cry that now you can hit like 3 Units? well I guess then Psystorm never was a Problem!? Plus, if this Patch really breaks the game, it will never get from PTR to the BNet Servers.. So just calm down. | ||
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Jakkerr
Netherlands2549 Posts
On October 27 2011 21:52 Kabras wrote: omfg will blizzard ever stop buffing toss and nerfing terran in every patch?? Bunkers, barracks, thors, stimpack, hellions, now ghosts. Terran is the new zerg while toss is a fuckin skeleton vampire swordsman from hell who shoots fireballs from his ass and shits all over everyone else's stuff. Better give toss free upgrades so gateway units can be as imba as colossi and forcefields. And as usual, zerg will get the crappiest end of the blizzard patch stick, +2+2 12min "timing attack" laughing at your 3rd base. yet they haven't been under 50% winrate in any matchup since SC2 release. Justified nerfs if u ask me | ||
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SolidMustard
France1515 Posts
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iKilledYa
Netherlands45 Posts
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ejozl
Denmark3463 Posts
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
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Dalavita
Sweden1113 Posts
On October 27 2011 22:08 rEalGuapo wrote: Yeah those Zerg won't stand a chance now that I can replace one Zealot with a Stalker in my timing attack. This Change sooooooo breaks the game!! Why do you guys all think -50/-50 for +2+2 Upgrade is such a gamebreaker..... it is nothing, you save 50/50 once per game the second you start +2+2......... If you don't believe me check here for the exact math. Stop hating on Protoss just because you got used to do it. Edit: just scanned through this Thread, I think I'm getting sick.... -50/-50 at minute 12 for a one-time purchase certainly is not an "epic buff" a "game breaker" and does not mean that you "should really switch to Protoss now" or that they could "remove Terran, makes no difference" The EMP change, was done because EMP was meant to take out shields of special Units like Immortals, as said in an Interview @ Blizzcon. It was never meant to just eradicate all the energy and shields with 4 clicks.... And keep in mind that EMP now has the same radius as Psystorm, do you really want to cry that now you can hit like 3 Units? well I guess then Psystorm never was a Problem!? Plus, if this Patch really breaks the game, it will never get from PTR to the BNet Servers.. So just calm down. Stop portraying yourself as a victim. No one is seriously arguing about the upgrade changes. They're essentially pointless. | ||
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Kabras
Romania3508 Posts
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hummingbird23
Norway359 Posts
On October 27 2011 23:12 Kabras wrote: It's not just about this particular patch, most of the previous ones as well.. T constantly gets nerfed while P gets buffed and Z gets ignored. The only nerfs toss got were the amulet and the -1 decrease in the pylon radius. The only real buff zerg got was the infestor, which is pretty good but still... not to mention Terran who got what, battlecruiser speed? LOL, compare that to chargelots upgrade, Archons getting range upgrade and promoted to massive unit, warp prism, etc.. throw in all the T nerfs and it's a no brainer. If Terran still wins a lot, it's because it's because it is the most used race. Also most of the top korean guys play T. Win RATES do not depend on number of players. | ||
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rEalGuapo
Germany832 Posts
On October 27 2011 23:12 Kabras wrote: It's not just about this particular patch, most of the previous ones as well.. T constantly gets nerfed while P gets buffed and Z gets ignored. The only nerfs toss got were the amulet and the -1 decrease in the pylon radius. The only real buff zerg got was the infestor, which is pretty good but still... not to mention Terran who got what, battlecruiser speed? LOL, compare that to chargelots upgrade, Archons getting range upgrade and promoted to massive unit, warp prism, etc.. throw in all the T nerfs and it's a no brainer. If Terran still wins a lot, it's because it's because it is the most used race. Also most of the top korean guys play T. Obviously. You say that one race constantly gets buffed, one gets nerfed and one remains the same. That would suck if all races were balanced at the beginning, if however one race is in the middle, one better one worse you would have to weaken one race and buff the other. Also Protoss got more nerfs than the amulet. like Psystorm radius, Zealot production time. Just recently, Blink research time. Yes this is meant to affect PvP the most, still it affects every matchup. On October 27 2011 22:55 Dalavita wrote: Stop portraying yourself as a victim. No one is seriously arguing about the upgrade changes. They're essentially pointless. If I say the Patch will not make Protoss a lot stronger I portray myself as a victim? I'm sorry I cannot follow that logic. And go read the last couple of pages people are arguing so much about teh upgrade changes... | ||
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
On October 27 2011 22:08 rEalGuapo wrote: And keep in mind that EMP now has the same radius as Psystorm, this should really be placed in the cute white admin-box on top of this thread I swear, if EMP/snipe-range gets nerfed to 9, terrans will also throw endless QQ at us...even though all it would mean was that the range would be equal to storm/feedback. but I guess that's all psychological...if you make one race better than the other and then nerf/buff accordingly for a while, people will really feel like it's "unfair"; same thing with taxes and social security; once you get used to something you will start QQ-ing if it's taken away from you...regardless of what is actually fair, let alone can be afforded | ||
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Brainiak
Germany91 Posts
On October 27 2011 23:12 Kabras wrote: It's not just about this particular patch, most of the previous ones as well.. T constantly gets nerfed while P gets buffed and Z gets ignored. The only nerfs toss got were the amulet and the -1 decrease in the pylon radius. The only real buff zerg got was the infestor, which is pretty good but still... not to mention Terran who got what, battlecruiser speed? LOL, compare that to chargelots upgrade, Archons getting range upgrade and promoted to massive unit, warp prism, etc.. throw in all the T nerfs and it's a no brainer. If Terran still wins a lot, it's because it's because it is the most used race. Also most of the top korean guys play T. Well Terran needs to be nerfed in order for sc2 to be a balanced game. Terran was the op race at the release of sc2 so they have to suffer  And if you say the KA change was minor, you clearly dont understand the game. I think blizzard is on a good way to balance sc2, they have identified the problems and are trying to fix them. Regarding the changes. I like the reduced upgrade cost. Im playing double forge in pvt and there is a small timing window where terran can just crush you, which you can only hold if your way better than him. This helps protoss because its silly that its upgrades cost the same as its counterparts, but armor does only apply to half of the health. Moreover protoss is more reliant on upgrades than terran and zerg. Im not sure if the radi change is going to solve everthing, the problem with emp is the damage and that it is instant. For protoss its great news, but in tvz it might be a problem. I think they should make the damage a dot and reduce the range to 9, so terran has to use skill not to die against feedback (9<9+2). If it doesnt cause problems with tvz I think emp radius needs to be nerfed, in conjunktion with a range decrease | ||
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meadbert
United States681 Posts
On October 27 2011 23:12 Kabras wrote: The only nerfs toss got were the amulet and the -1 decrease in the pylon radius. The warpgate nerf was the toughest nerf Protoss got. Void Rays have been nerfed in several different ways including limiting their damage and removing the speed upgrade. The amulet was a brutal nerf for the late game vs T since you had to keep your HTs alive long enough to accumulated 75 energy. Most recently blink research was nerfed by something like 30 seconds which delays timing pushes more than making +2 weapons cost an extra 25/25. One of the first buffs was to give all bases more hitpoints which was basically a Nerf to P since none of P's high dps units could chase down collectors so the best form of harassment was to try to snipe the base. Protoss has seen its fair share of buffs too including changing how the charge mechanic works, making Archons massive, giving Warp Prisms extra HP, reduced built time for hallucination, reduced cost for observer and giving the immortal extra range. | ||
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Perscienter
957 Posts
Common, there are still so many overpowered abilities in the game. Units should have a projectile and put it on the enemy and do damage. Doing other stuff should be forbidden because it hurts. (I was random.) | ||
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Dalavita
Sweden1113 Posts
On October 27 2011 23:17 hummingbird23 wrote: Win RATES do not depend on number of players. They depend on the quality of players, and the specific races builds and tactics improve the more people are playing them.. I'd argue terran has more of both in the top tier of SC2. | ||
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GurZtly
Austria148 Posts
But the point is that: Playing terran is fucking hard! MVP, Bomber, MKP, Sc and 20 other terrans are OP... But 10000 others get punished for that  | ||
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Rannasha
Netherlands2398 Posts
On October 27 2011 23:12 Kabras wrote: It's not just about this particular patch, most of the previous ones as well.. T constantly gets nerfed while P gets buffed and Z gets ignored. The only nerfs toss got were the amulet and the -1 decrease in the pylon radius. The only real buff zerg got was the infestor, which is pretty good but still... not to mention Terran who got what, battlecruiser speed? LOL, compare that to chargelots upgrade, Archons getting range upgrade and promoted to massive unit, warp prism, etc.. throw in all the T nerfs and it's a no brainer. If Terran still wins a lot, it's because it's because it is the most used race. Also most of the top korean guys play T. You should probably stop cherrypicking things to prove your point. "The only nerfs toss got were the amulet and the -1 decrease in the pylon radius" And Flux Veins removal, reduced vision on ramps (this one is bigger than the Pylon radius change), warpgate research time increased, Blink research time increased, Archon toilet nerfed. "The only real buff zerg got was the infestor," Roach range increase was pretty big. Spore crawler root-time decrease made dealing with Stargate openings easier. Ultralisk build time reduction, while not major, is somewhat useful. Corruptors losing their energy bar made them less fragile against T. | ||
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McGuire72
Canada140 Posts
On October 27 2011 21:52 Kabras wrote:Terran is the new zerg while toss is a fuckin skeleton vampire swordsman from hell who shoots fireballs from his ass and shits all over everyone else's stuff. finally someone brought some mature, unbiased commentary to this thread. Thank you for this inciteful, thought-provoking discussion. | ||
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