It is ok. The 3 Gate VR all-in will be replaced by the 3 Gate Robo all-in in HOTS, and be a BO win vs the 1-1-1. Just chrono out 3 Replicants and go copy the first siege tank that comes out of the factory. You'll have 3 tanks with siege mode vs 1 tank without siege mode. Push and win.

Yaotzin

South Africa4280 Posts

October 24 2011 15:05 GMT

#263

On October 25 2011 00:04 BronzeKnee wrote:
It is ok. The 3 Gate VR all-in will be replaced by the 3 Gate Robo all-in in HOTS, and be a BO win vs the 1-1-1. Just chrono out 3 Replicants and go copy the first siege tank that comes out of the factory. You'll have 3 tanks with siege mode vs 1 tank without siege mode. Push and win.

I'd totally pay for this. As long as Puma is the Terran.

Forikorder

Canada8840 Posts

October 24 2011 15:09 GMT

#264

they should revert the range change if you cant warp onto high ground at all now

BronzeKnee

United States5219 Posts

October 24 2011 15:10 GMT

#265

On October 24 2011 22:20 zanmat0 wrote:

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Yeah, let's force Protoss to always go all 3 tech routes to have any success at all.

And if you allow me to get my tech up as fast and cheaply as Terran, I'm 100% good with this.

DarkPlasmaBall

United States45978 Posts

October 24 2011 15:13 GMT

#266

On October 24 2011 18:39 gruff wrote:
I'm guessing if this stays they'll revert the radious change back.

I hope they do, although I don't know if they'll actually do it.

So many redundant nerfs that end up screwing Protoss over. No warping up, no warping on ramps, smaller pylon radius...

p1cKLes

United States342 Posts

October 24 2011 15:13 GMT

#267

This is in an alpha state... It hasn't even made it to beta yet. Not exactly a finished product, so i'm not sure how much I would over react.

Avril_Lavigne

United States446 Posts

October 24 2011 15:13 GMT

#268

finallly a sensible change that makes absolute fucking sense. so many times has a pylon warped into my base form the low ground it's so fucking stupid that protoss can do that and they call it "strategy" and "hard to do" lol all theydid was get an observer and warp in. No more voidray all ins and having to defend my main and natural at he same time phew. Also those who say that it doesn't punish greedy builds, well it's about damn time protoss is forced to play macro. anyway, if anything they really should change the radius back

arterian

Canada1157 Posts

October 24 2011 15:13 GMT

#269

So how many times is this now Blizzard is nerfing Protoss across the board for something that doesn't see much use outside of PvP?

Amalaxi

United States180 Posts

October 24 2011 15:13 GMT

#270

this will prevent deezeresque-fags from cannon rushing low-high ground, as well as low-high gateway cheese, if you're that concerned with warping units onto the high ground get a warp prism, I heard they are good now.

tehemperorer

United States2183 Posts

October 24 2011 15:15 GMT

#271

Also ruins bases connections to low ground naturals/3rds. Not a good idea.

Excludos

Norway8260 Posts

October 24 2011 15:15 GMT

#272

I'd love this change if it means we get back our old Pylon radius (and warpin in ramp if we have a pylon on highground please. There have already been a ton of situations where I have my units parked on the ramp to stop lings, and I can't warp in anywhere near them to help out).

This will eliminate a lot of cheese, most of which is only used in PvP, that only serves to make the game a bit more random.

Excludos

Norway8260 Posts

October 24 2011 15:16 GMT

#273

On October 25 2011 00:15 tehemperorer wrote:
Also ruins bases connections to low ground naturals/3rds. Not a good idea.

Afaik, this change only works for pylons on the lowground. If its on the highground, you can still warpin on the lowground beneath it.

HaXXspetten

Sweden15718 Posts

October 24 2011 15:18 GMT

#274

Really hope this does not become a reality. It will take away so many options and creative play :/

Edit: I guess we'll get rid of cannon rushing, which is nice, but still... so not worth it imo

ReaperX

Hong Kong1758 Posts

October 24 2011 15:22 GMT

#275

oh for fucks sake... hopefully they'll fix toss before it comes out

Yaotzin

South Africa4280 Posts

October 24 2011 15:23 GMT

#276

Other than inconvenience, does this actually change anything other than cannon rushes?

DarkPlasmaBall

United States45978 Posts

October 24 2011 15:25 GMT

#277

On October 25 2011 00:23 Yaotzin wrote:
Other than inconvenience, does this actually change anything other than cannon rushes?

The ability to warp-in inside a Terran's walled-in base (without a prism, but with an obs) and do a little harrassment can sometimes be pretty useful.

Detri

United Kingdom683 Posts

October 24 2011 15:26 GMT

#278

warp prism.

Its so good now, that's why they have changed it. Also blizzard have been known to make changes based on 2v2+ balance before, z/p can be a brutal combo with overlords and pylons warping into your base, that may have something to do with it.

The high ground/low ground warp in mechanic is cheesy, anyone who says it isn't is wrong. When I lift rax outta my base to get marines to the fight more quickly, I know is cheesy. How is this not the same?

Its a good change, I like it =]

Loodah

335 Posts

October 24 2011 15:27 GMT

#279

This is a silly, silly change

Cel.erity

United States4890 Posts

October 24 2011 15:27 GMT

#280

I think this change is fine tbh, and I'm a Protoss player. They're giving protoss free mass recalls and a new harass unit (successful or unsuccessful? who knows?). Meanwhile, the other races aren't really receiving any great harass tools. Obviously this would be a terrible change in the current metagame, but for HotS I think it will be fine.