EPTGet your shit together or stop casting, please. For the sake of IPL and all the watchers. I don't even bother to tune into IPL broadcasts because there is a significant chance that HD is casting, which makes me turn off instantly.
PainUser & HD Casting Feedback Thread! - Page 34
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drooL
United Kingdom2108 Posts
Get your shit together or stop casting, please. For the sake of IPL and all the watchers. I don't even bother to tune into IPL broadcasts because there is a significant chance that HD is casting, which makes me turn off instantly. | ||
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Caryc
Germany330 Posts
disliked the analysis or just general comments from hd that were often just wrong. example : "i dont see a missile turret in his main!"(against cloak banshees) -> missile turret is in the mineral line and the camera shows it. | ||
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h41fgod
Sweden377 Posts
On April 09 2012 21:59 Mettyman wrote: I love your casting HD. Painuser thinks he knows it all, and he keeps talking so "secretive". I don't like Painuser because of that. Thats because Painuser knows something, HD just makes stuff up. So the reason Painuser seems like a knowitall is because he spends half his time correcting the stupid wrong things HD says. | ||
Darneck
Sweden1394 Posts
On October 11 2011 17:09 MrSexington wrote: I'm also going to have to disagree. With the production tab on, for example, when you see an army moving out, you can see upgrades finishing up just as they reach the base and appreciate the refinement of the build they are using. Also, if you notice the banked resources each player has, you can also see how fast each of them are rebuilding their army. It's not a question of removing surprise and excitement. It's the difference between knowing the same information the players know as the players are making their decisions they choose to make. I also don't understand "knowing a player is safe or has no chance of winning has no appeal" to me. If the players are playing a close game, you won't know if a player is safe or not no matter how much information you have--that's why they're close games. Without the production tabs, with incomplete information, all you're doing is getting hyped over games that aren't close at all. I agree that it takes away from the games that are blow outs, but then again, you shouldn't be hyped about those games in the first place. (You're just letting yourself be fooled.) It actually adds so much more to the games that are close and actually deserve your hype and excitement. I completely disagree with 0neder and the production tabs are definitely necessary and you can definitely cause hype by using it too like for example upgrades. Two armies are about to collide, one of them has fight deciding upgrades on the way to finish, will the other army attack first or not, will the army waiting for upgrades be able to dodge and avoid it until it's time to strike. Stuff like this can cause hype too. Causing hype just because you don't know something is just fake hype imo and doesn't feel anything like real hype. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On April 09 2012 21:27 KalWarkov wrote: Dont say stuff that isnt even correct just so that it looks you DO know about those things and you acutally even talked to the players about it when its clearly not the case sometimes. Those are the facepalm moments, Apollo doesnt have those moments because he It was like a constant stream of this. Painuser talking about Squirtle's impeccable building placement making him immune to all-ins, a game after he was all-ined. HD thinking concussive shells do more damage. HD thinking Nestea's resources were high because of his keyboard and mouse, when his spire had finished building and he was really just saving up to build 10 mutas. You get away with this stuff when you're just casting on Youtube and probably for 70% of the watchers, because they don't know any better, but it's a major detriment to watching for anyone who understands the game. | ||
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XiGua
Sweden3085 Posts
On April 09 2012 22:21 drooL wrote: What I saw of you guys during IPL4 was the ever annoying/clueless HD and a PainUser who is alright but gets dragged down by his sidekick more than anything else. Hell, you guys have been casting with each other for ages but the pairing PU/Catspajamas was a lot more enjoyable. I don't care if reddit is on some kind of "don't be too harsh on HD" trip - my opinion is that there is no space for HD on the IPL caster desk, as they could easily hire on of the up and coming commentators who are more knowledgable and more enjoyable to listen to. I'd provide feedback normally but this thread has been up for a while now and I see little to no improvement and as it seems, the majority of spectators agrees. Get your shit together or stop casting, please. For the sake of IPL and all the watchers. I don't even bother to tune into IPL broadcasts because there is a significant chance that HD is casting, which makes me turn off instantly. Why are you even talking about reddit? This is Teamliquid and the things that go on over there shouldn't really affect the opinions here. Just because people on another site wants to tune down the criticism doesn't mean we have to here. Anyways, I missed Day 1 of HD and PU casting so I can't comment on that. But on day 2 and 3 I could really enjoy their casts. Especially when dApollo went up there casting with HD about Nestea vs Squirtle. It was pretty fun hearing HD predict everything right and give good input on how the game would flow. So I didn't really see what the problem was. So the casting on day 1 must have been horrible to get so much bashing because frankly, I never saw the big "HD sucks fire him now IGN and let new casters come such as..." problems that people were coming up with. Concussive shells doing a lot of damage against the siege tanks. He was referring to the projectiles of the marauders, so nothing wrong there but people might have thought he meant the upgrade, understandable. Saying that Bomber was ahead on bases against Stephano was rather weird but I think he meant that Bomber had the advantage since he was on even bases as the Zerg. Painuser corrected him later on much like Day[9] is doing for djWHEAT and HD agreed with him. So these small faults that I have notices sure can make one irritated, but to say that he shouldn't ever cast again? That seems a little weird. Commentators like JP and djWHEAT are great even though they lack the game knowledge, same for TB. HD got the voice for commentating, I just feel that he needs to give the analysis to the other caster if it isn't his race, i.e Zerg. If you noticed during day 3 he started to ask a lot more questions to the co-caster about the builds. So I know that he read many comments on what he should improve on. He should cast like he did day 3 and it should be fine for the viewers. I never mute the stream because apparently I can handle a lot more than the majority of people.  | ||
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Arghnews
United Kingdom169 Posts
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Nimic
Norway1360 Posts
On April 09 2012 20:35 expectations111 wrote: I have to say, that's an interesting stance towards watching the games! I'm not sure how many people here are with you on the same page. I myself, really want to see the workers tab regularly. Units tab/Food count are the most signifikant statistics if you just wanna see on a glance whos ahead. I often flick out and in of matches and I'm mainly interested to whos ahead, so I really want to see those stats. I also usually stop watching a match if I'm sure its over. I'm almost entirely sure you're in the minority here. We've had a few threads/polls on it, and most people definitely prefer having the production tab open. I don't want SC2 games because the only way I can get excited is if something surprise me. If that was the case, we'd probably only want TB-style casters, who are very energetic but have limited game knowledge. But we don't. We also want someone who can tell us what is probably going to happen, what the players are attempting to do. As for the cast.. honestly, I wasn't very impressed. I just think there are a few things that are really annoying that need to be fixed. One of them is PainUsers tendency to almost whisper most of the cast. Like something is constantly about to happen and he needs to keep his voice down so no one finds out. Another is HD's tendency to just.. say stuff. No one doubts PainUsers game knowledge (as far as casters go, at least), so follow his lead when it comes to that. | ||
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Probasaur
United States461 Posts
On April 09 2012 22:44 XiGua wrote: Why are you even talking about reddit? This is Teamliquid and the things that go on over there shouldn't really affect the opinions here. Just because people on another site wants to tune down the criticism doesn't mean we have to here. Anyways, I missed Day 1 of HD and PU casting so I can't comment on that. But on day 2 and 3 I could really enjoy their casts. Especially when dApollo went up there casting with HD about Nestea vs Squirtle. It was pretty fun hearing HD predict everything right and give good input on how the game would flow. So I didn't really see what the problem was. So the casting on day 1 must have been horrible to get so much bashing because frankly, I never saw the big "HD sucks fire him now IGN and let new casters come such as..." problems that people were coming up with. Concussive shells doing a lot of damage against the siege tanks. He was referring to the projectiles of the marauders, so nothing wrong there but people might have thought he meant the upgrade, understandable. Saying that Bomber was ahead on bases against Stephano was rather weird but I think he meant that Bomber had the advantage since he was on even bases as the Zerg. Painuser corrected him later on much like Day[9] is doing for djWHEAT and HD agreed with him. So these small faults that I have notices sure can make one irritated, but to say that he shouldn't ever cast again? That seems a little weird. Commentators like JP and djWHEAT are great even though they lack the game knowledge, same for TB. HD got the voice for commentating, I just feel that he needs to give the analysis to the other caster if it isn't his race, i.e Zerg. If you noticed during day 3 he started to ask a lot more questions to the co-caster about the builds. So I know that he read many comments on what he should improve on. He should cast like he did day 3 and it should be fine for the viewers. I never mute the stream because apparently I can handle a lot more than the majority of people. This. It feels like if people don't have something to freak out about and someone to crucify they aren't happy. Funny how it usually involves reddit. | ||
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Slipspace
United States381 Posts
On April 09 2012 22:37 h41fgod wrote: Thats because Painuser knows something, HD just makes stuff up. So the reason Painuser seems like a knowitall is because he spends half his time correcting the stupid wrong things HD says. lol painuser makes shit up too i don't mind the casting though but if you don't know what you're talking about then you're probably better of just being a play-by-play caster | ||
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xZiGGY
United Kingdom801 Posts
found HD to be a little overbearing in the duo | ||
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Zergmeister
Denmark56 Posts
´The problem is, he don't mean direct dmg, but rather the dmg they inflict slowing mkp's marines so he can't micro them back in safety at the sigetanks | ||
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nface
106 Posts
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rave[wcr]
United States1166 Posts
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Randomaccount#77123
United States5003 Posts
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h41fgod
Sweden377 Posts
On April 09 2012 22:53 Slipspace wrote: lol painuser makes shit up too i don't mind the casting though but if you don't know what you're talking about then you're probably better of just being a play-by-play caster Well yeah. But its an order of magnitude less than HD. And the stuff HD makes up is often corrected by Painuser. | ||
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BenBuford
Denmark307 Posts
He has so much more character than Doa, Wolf, Painuser and CatsPajamas, who are all basically all just Tastosis copy cats/light versions, using catch phrases ("That's SO many _____.... "- yawn  ) and shouting really loud. HD brings his own personal approach to casting, being one of the best intermediaries between elite gaming and the mainstream viewer. Everyone here, including HD, knows that concussive shells upgrade doesn't help against tanks. It was a slip up in a tense situation. Stop trying to nit pick everything he says. He could smack most of you around in game, and knows his shit. | ||
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PantsB
United States77 Posts
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blamekilly
466 Posts
PainUser is not bad but he's kind of slow to notice things. he's like 20 seconds behind the game. HD talks out of his ass a lot of times and says things that are just plain wrong. I believe painuser would be good with another co-caster but I can't say the same for HD. Does HD still play the game? His game insights are just not good at all or he seems to be stuck in 2010. EDIT: To expand on this, I think PainUser makes an excellent commentary guy and has good insight as pro or maybe now former pro-gamer. It seems like he's trying to do commentary and also play by play and is a little behind the game. He should stick to commentating and maybe have someone like CPJ, who is good at talking, take over the play by play. | ||
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Facultyadjutant
Sweden1876 Posts
Its just terrible. Stop talking in catchphrases (the 12 minute mark roach build *Repeat 500 times*) Stop reinforcing your bad points HD and Painuser, it shows that you don't know anything ''This is what I was talking about'' ''As I said'' ''And just as I said'' Stop talking about things when you don't know anything, just commentate whats happening. If you want analyze then say something analytic - Hes going sentry of ffe and is chronoboosting X what options do he have? Rather then - Oh hes probably gona do ''warpgate'' rush and just saying general vauge things. You talk nothing about what one can transition into when someone uses a build, or its purpose. You make stuff up. You depend solely on production tab and repeat that and worker count as a mantra to say something intelligent. You do the khaldor syndrome where you speak condescending by using the phrase ''I love that he is doing X'' <- That shit puts you into a mentor positioning rhetoric wise. You don't contribute anything to each other, you can't hype anything, your jokes are bad and you should feel bad. And most of all: You haven't improved since you started casting, zip, nada - no readups on players, no casting improvement, HD you are just as terrible as always while others like husky, total biscuit, cats have matured into the really hard role as play by play casters. Meanwhile PainUser you are just lightyears behind analytic casters like Dapollo <- Especially relevant, day9, artosis. Who have actually studied the players, knows the players. Some tidbits shined trough, like that tails and nestea had a history, that shit is what is expected of casters at major events aught to know. (Of course both you ruin stuff like that by exclaiming loud and clear that '' Oh I DIDN'T KNOW THAT'' <- You never assure insecurity or not being knowledgeable, it makes you look incompetent'' Your casting cheapened the great skill by players like nestea and drastically reduced the quality of the event. | ||
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