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Trok67 France384 Posts April 09 2012 14:31 GMT #681 I think people are being too harsh on HD. He wasn't that bad and I think he forms a good pair with painuser even though he did some uncorrect statement. I think they are taking a lot of blame because of the quality of the event (delay, lot of ad/kpop, missing games) which was really disappointing and the frustration spreaded toward the casters. In overral the casting quality was good. The only thing that i really disliked is the constant request of "applause" and "cheering" to the crowd such as : "give it up for the -insert random thing here-" with the most ridiculous one being "give it up for yourselves". That was really annoying

PepeLaPu United States16 Posts April 09 2012 14:31 GMT #682 I think it's all personal preference. For example I can't stand DoA, but some people (for some strange reason) like his casting. I think HD is a good caster, but Painuser should stop talking like he's telling us a secret.

Eisregen Germany967 Posts April 09 2012 14:36 GMT #683 Shall we criticize the criticizm? =( So sad, that only a minority actually knows how to criticize in a proper way.

magnaflow Canada1521 Posts April 09 2012 14:38 GMT #684 "THOSE CONCUSSION SHELLS ARE DOING SO MUCH DAMAGE" "He might attack the forge to get in" Forge had no shields left and was being attacked already Out of the loop. Major improvements are needed for both of them. Painusers whispering, calling an early third a macro CC, asking the crowd to make noise over and over and over again while not actually hyping anything themselves, flat out wrong calls on a lot of stuff among many other issues need to be straightened out. You know you're not doing a good job when %75 of the viewers switch to the Korean caster stream. Don't know any Korean at all and are far more entertained just by their body language and the excitement that comes through their vocal cords. Thank god for the awesome observer too. He was the true caster for the HD/PU matches

tdsjp Canada10 Posts April 09 2012 14:39 GMT #685 when Megumixbear was screaming in the stream while you guys were streaming kinda ruined it.

Rosettastoned United States107 Posts April 09 2012 14:50 GMT #686 I am the last one normally to jump on the pitchfork bandwaggon, so constructive criticism is a must! Honestly, I think the #1 thing that you guys need to find, is a grove like the way catspajamas and apollo had last night. One person is providing strict play-by-play and then ONLY focus on that. The other needs to focus entirely on analytics, and then focus time on IMPROVING that. Nether one of you are doing those, you just have this "jack of all trades" style, and it ends up making you not the best at ether. I was finding myself constantly out analyzing both of you, and frankly the observer was providing better play-by-play than both of you. If you guys aren't using a setup similar to the GSL, where the play-by-play guy has the observer's cam directly fed into their monitor, then you might consider just screen locking on him. Its going to provide you with a MUCH better idea as to what we are actually seeing as viewers, and what needs to be "dumbed down." If you really want to take some time to learn from a great duo, TotalBiscuit and DApollo are an absolutely incredible duo to learn from as far as both ends. Even my girlfriend, who knows very little about sc2, states that TB is probably the best play-by-play caster because he explains things down to her level, which is something you guys need to look into in the IPL. If these shows are going to keep happening in Vegas, there will be a continual increase in people who aren't "hard core starcraft2 fans" and there needs to be the commentating abilities to keep them entertained to invite more of their friends. Also, there is a time to fill in a game with stories, and there is a time where you need to absolutely shut that story off and TALK ABOUT what is going on. There should not be a story about pokemon when ANY form of battle is going on. >< >< >< I think if you guys improve those qualities, then you will be a GREAT duo! Its just that right now, you guys are providing nether forms of casting to a level that people expect from a league such as IPL.

striderxxx Canada443 Posts April 09 2012 14:51 GMT #687 Oh gawd, they were horrible!! Even when it was clear 1 guy was completely winning, they kept annoyingly talked about how close the game was. We aren't fools you know. I can also recall this one game where Apollo and HD were casting. HD said they squirtle was doing the same robo build as before. Apollo corrected him by saying no it's not due to the earlier gas timings and building order - turned out it was a DT build. HD is such a tool. User was warned for this post

YourGoodFriend United States2197 Posts April 09 2012 14:53 GMT #688 I think HD and Painuser have developed well as casters. Both are very knowledgeable about the game and they both get pretty excited when really awesome stuff happens (shoutcast role) so all in all I think they are great and doing a fantastic job

Clonze Canada281 Posts April 09 2012 14:55 GMT #689 HD& painuser best combo #1. ^_^

CCa1ss1e Canada3231 Posts April 09 2012 14:59 GMT #690 I think PainUser was great as always.. lol @ the "telling us a secret" type casting.. pretty funny comment.. I agree that he has some parts like this.. but, I thought it was great.. slow down, emphasize certain parts. My favourite line of his in IPL4 was.. well, I forget the game exactly.. TvT I think.. bomber/mma, mma/marineking, something like that.. anyway, there was a drop or something in the main, distracting the one player, giving him time to move with his tanks and army directly into the natural.. HD commented about "maybe giving up an important position.." then PU responds by saying: "giving up an important position.. is in UNDERstatement. Haha, anyway.. that was great.. hopefully I can find the VOD for that game.. great job to both HD and PU though.

Patton3D United States65 Posts April 09 2012 15:00 GMT #691 One of the things that bothers me most about casting is when the commentators say something that happened and try to say a deeper analysis that is just not there. In particular, I remember a football game where after a sack occurred, a caster said that getting sacks and forcing turnovers is a great way to slow down an offense ESPECIALLY against the Packers(think it was them playing). I would like him to point out a team it WASN'T an effective way to play defense. I particularly hate the word especially as it tends to signify that the casters have run out of things to say, and every time I hear it, I start to cringe. Watched games 3-5 of the losers final on the korean stream, as it was much more enjoyable.

transience Belgium74 Posts April 09 2012 15:01 GMT #692 In the first game of the series between Nestea and Squirtle, I felt like you guys had absolutely no clue what was going on in the game. It was like you'd never seen Nestea's 10 pool 18 hatch strategy before, or you didn't realize that he cancelled his gold expansion because he had scouted that Squirtle wasn't doing a FFE. Painful to watch.

Frauk Norway36 Posts April 09 2012 15:02 GMT #693 i have to admit i just mute the stream as soon as i hear hd is commentating, its so low level. for the most part of what ive heard of him at ipl4, he's analytical and actuall game knowledge is non exsisting. if he tries to say something that isnt play by play related its usually wrong, and my ears bleed every time. He's excitement in he's casting sounds to me very fake, or atleast unnatural. As for the duo Painuser and HD, there is absolutely no chemistry, humor or connection with the crowd, which for me would have been okey if their gameknowledge was top notch, but it isnt. Painuser is okey i guess, he knows a bit about the game, but not enough to cover for he's generally boring casts. I think a big factor is their showing of personality. Either its just flat out boring personalities, or they arent giving enough of their selves. Now i have no clue how much they prepare for an event like this, but basing my guess on what ive watched this weekend, it cant be more than a couple of hours.

zJayy962 1363 Posts April 09 2012 15:07 GMT #694 Stop asking the crowd to make some noise holy bajesus! It feels extremely forced and just isn't fun after the first few times. Edit: thought I'd bold the important part... SO IMPORTANT.

OrangeApples 137 Posts April 09 2012 15:08 GMT #695 Sometimes it might be better to correct yourself if or when action just slows down and you made a small mistake beforehand. Kind of like if you said "eg concussive shells are doing so much damage", you should correct yourself or elaborate on what it does and what you meant by the statement.

deusarba Croatia27 Posts April 09 2012 15:11 GMT #696 Painuser - 3/5 HD - 1/5 On my scale. If by now u don't know why, than fuck it, you are a lost cause. Painuser would be much better without HD. I see no way u can improve HD, and i don't understand why u were hired in the first place. They should fire the guy that hired and kept you for this long. This wasn't meant to bring you down or to insult you, but I'm sick of listening to you. U keep killing the joy of watching for me to the point i mute the sound of the stream. I can cheer you up by saying you are not the only one caster that doesn't know shit about the game and doesn't improve over time, but you were the only at IPL.

Holytornados United States1022 Posts April 09 2012 15:11 GMT #697 I personally don't like the way Painuser talks to the audience like they don't understand things. Bringing his speech down to the "telling a secret" voice is almost condescending in a way, imo. The mis-calls and general lack of game knowledge are also a turn off, from both perspectives. An overhaul in analytics would be a nice addition.

blamekilly 466 Posts April 09 2012 15:15 GMT #698 Here's a suggestion. PU has good inside knowledge and high ladder gaming experience. HD doesn't really have much(or up to date) knowledge of the game but you don't need that to be a successful caster(see TB, DOA, Moletrap) PainUser stick to game commentary. HD stick to play by play.

Meerel Germany713 Posts April 09 2012 15:18 GMT #699 one thing that really confuses me is that in the regular stuff in the ipl studios you both tell jokes and giggle and all that stuff that gives both of you personality, but at ipl3 and 4 or in general 'big' events nothing of that happens. its very monoton blabla, i dont give a shit about what you saying, i cant even recall what you were saying after the game because its just too much uninteressting blabla. maybe you think beeing on a big event means it must be 100% professional, no it doesnt. tastosis joke all the time at gsl finals.

Glurkenspurk United States1915 Posts April 09 2012 15:19 GMT #700 I don't think people fully understand how bad it is when a caster has poor game knowledge and makes frequent bad calls. The job of a caster is to present the game to the audience, not to simply entertain by speaking on stream. HD really needs to make sure he fully understands everything he says before he says it.

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