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On April 10 2012 01:12 ZenithM wrote:
Aside from all the other complaints, HD should stop faking the BW "old school"ism. Still calling Nestea "ZergBong", seriously? (While loudly reminding us that he still remembers him from his "old BW days"). Also, scan still being called "comsats"?
It has been more than one year now that HD intensively plays and commentates (or so he should...) Starcraft 2, no way he's seen more games from the mediocre 2v2 B-teamer ZergBong than games from the 3 times GSL champion God of Zerg Nestea... That's like still calling MarineKing "Boxer"...
Ah, I forgot this one.
I didn't see all of IPL4, but I do remember the "ZergBong" reference specifically and was thinking the same thing during the cast.
It was like someone trying to unintentionally intentionally name drop a celebrity "they just happened to bump into the other day" during normal conversation to feel more important. It was weird.
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I suppose we're all a little spoiled by the great competition.
DoA, CP, dApollo etc. all did such a splendid job, making it easy for you guys to be the bottom of the barrell.
I doubt HD is even reading this, but if he does, I hope he can distinguish between the valid criticism and destructive comments that are just trying to be hurtful.
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Doa,pajamas and painuser when he´s not prattling but focusing on the game were the only casters i didn´t mute.i hope ipl will manage to find more casters of their quality.
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On April 10 2012 01:40 kafkaesque wrote:
I suppose we're all a little spoiled by the great competition.
DoA, CP, dApollo etc. all did such a splendid job, making it easy for you guys to be the bottom of the barrell.
I doubt HD is even reading this, but if he does, I hope he can distinguish between the valid criticism and destructive comments that are just trying to be hurtful.
Considering CP is usually used in place of child pornography, might want to just call him CatsPajamas :p lol
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On April 10 2012 01:12 ZenithM wrote:
Aside from all the other complaints, HD should stop faking the BW "old school"ism. Still calling Nestea "ZergBong", seriously? (While loudly reminding us that he still remembers him from his "old BW days"). Also, scan still being called "comsats"?
It has been more than one year now that HD intensively plays and commentates (or so he should...) Starcraft 2, no way he's seen more games from the mediocre 2v2 B-teamer ZergBong than games from the 3 times GSL champion God of Zerg Nestea... That's like still calling MarineKing "Boxer"...
Nobody's buying that shit, so he should just stop reminding us he was an old school BW follower or something. I'm aware that it's true to some extent (he did commentate some BW games afaik, and was following the BW scene), but no way ZergBong is more memorable than Nestea...
Edit: PainUser on the other hand is a good caster. He miscalls some builds sometimes (he didn't seem to know of MKP's 1-1-1 push with marines, hellions, medivac, calling a switch to a reactored factory even though it's a typical MKP push...), but in general, he's got a good flow, and decent analysis of the game. Keep it up.
And who says comsat instead of scans in BW anyway? All I hear is "SCAN SCAN SCAN" during Proleague. Comsat Station and thats the addon, thats it. And since there is no comsat station in sc2 then the word comsat should never be mention either. Wierd.
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Doa, Pyjamas, HD and Apollo get + marks.
The remaining casters, not so much. (Khaldor gets a pass for being foreign)
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On April 10 2012 01:45 Gosi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 01:12 ZenithM wrote:
Aside from all the other complaints, HD should stop faking the BW "old school"ism. Still calling Nestea "ZergBong", seriously? (While loudly reminding us that he still remembers him from his "old BW days"). Also, scan still being called "comsats"?
It has been more than one year now that HD intensively plays and commentates (or so he should...) Starcraft 2, no way he's seen more games from the mediocre 2v2 B-teamer ZergBong than games from the 3 times GSL champion God of Zerg Nestea... That's like still calling MarineKing "Boxer"...
Nobody's buying that shit, so he should just stop reminding us he was an old school BW follower or something. I'm aware that it's true to some extent (he did commentate some BW games afaik, and was following the BW scene), but no way ZergBong is more memorable than Nestea...
Edit: PainUser on the other hand is a good caster. He miscalls some builds sometimes (he didn't seem to know of MKP's 1-1-1 push with marines, hellions, medivac, calling a switch to a reactored factory even though it's a typical MKP push...), but in general, he's got a good flow, and decent analysis of the game. Keep it up. And who says comsat instead of scans in BW anyway? All I hear is "SCAN SCAN SCAN" during Proleague. Comsat Station and thats the addon, thats it. And since there is no comsat station in sc2 then the word comsat should never be mention either. Wierd.
I think he calls the Orbital command the "Comsat station". Pretty much impossible to do so, but he still does it.
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I'll try to keep this constructive, despite being extremely disappointed with HD (as usual).
1. To put it mildly, HD's game-awareness is lacking. Not seeing things being built (hatches, turrets, etc), seemingly unable to put together why Nestea would be stockpiling mins and gas (hint: lair was about to pop), and just flat out missing blatantly obvious occurrences -- all of these negatively affected my IPL4 experience when he was casting. It was distracting, unprofessional and unacceptable at an event of this stature.
2. I know humor is subjective, but HD's plastic, generic jokes and delivery are unwanted and painful (for me).
3. The constant "give a cheer" is beyond exhausting. It robs the crowd of any natural momentum and forces an awkward and forced expression of excitement. Let the crowd cheer on their on. Seriously. I promise. They will not disappoint.
4. To be frank, HD was simply shown up by everyone else at the event. I'm not even the biggest fan of PainUser or CatsPajamas but they were leagues better than HD, and Apollo is so far ahead of them all in terms of analysis, flow, and coherence that he should instantly be given a raise. When you're the worst caster, by far, at a prestigious event, you need to begin working harder.
That being said, I loved the event and enjoyed the games very much. I genuinely hope IPL will take action to either create a do-or-die incentive for HD's job at the next event, or hire a superior caster.
Cheers.
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Painuser needs to stop wispering to the crowd in his raspy voice (not sure if he's sick or what), and just talk normally. I know hes trying to add suspense to the games, but it gets a bit annoying after a while.
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I really enjoyed the casting and the throughout the event. Not sure how I feel about Wolf and Khaldor as this is the first time I had heard them cast. But I felt the same way about Doa and CatsPajamas at first and I really enjoy them now.
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the wrong analysis and awkward clap please moments bother me the most.
other than that, I quite liked it.
but compared to other casters like apollo, you guys just seem to be overshadow-ed
Please read the game better, it would solve so much issue
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i think the common trend here is that there's two dimensions really, game knowledge, and charisma. One is fixable/trainable, the other is not. Sadly though if you lack the charisma it doesn't matter. As esports progresses we really can't be dealing with such awkwardness. It was honestly palpable throughout most of the casting/broadcast
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I think you have the potential to be a great caster, your voice is silky smooth for one, but you really have to spend more time analysing games and build orders if you going offer up analysis during casts. The "theorycrafting" you offered up during this tournament was wrong as often as it was right and it is just grossly irritating. So unless you are 99% sure about what you are saying is correct just do play by play. If you care about improving, I would suggest you watch the GSL, take notes about builds and about players styles that you can refer to before you are due to cast matches with those players. Also do more recent replays for your youtube channel. I mean I saw that you cast the ASUS ROG final on your youtube channel last week or so. That tournament was ages ago and you should at least know the result if you didn’t watch it, so why are you casting it? It just smacks of laziness to me, surely you can get your hands on more recent replays that people havent seen before?
Oh and "problemsome" isn’t a word (you're use of it during the Nestea Squirtle match made me cringe) and the past tense of cast is cast not "casted" (most Americans seem to struggle with this for some unknown reason but to someone from the UK it sounds pretty bad).
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Man there are a lot of haters here. Yes HD has some HD-isms, but he isn't trying to be fake about anything, its just quirks he has. If you didn't like the awkward clap thing or attempting to get the audience riled (because they weren't doing shit as an audience, they were watching but cheering only when things happened, never before matches without some coercing), even if it was meant in a good way, thats fine and your opinion is valid. However that isn't a casting feedback. Yes HD was some plasticy jokes, and his old subs love most of them lol, but if its not your thing, fine you can dislike that part of his casting, but that most likely will never change since its a little quirk that he has indulged for a long time now, still not about the casting seemingly.
Also a sidenote: really you guys are butthurt about ZergBong? thats just destructive, he mentioned the past because it happened and he was a pro, and he didn't stay on it for a while. Now my question is why he didn't call MKP Claire[shield] or EllenPage[shield]. Its not that he is trying to old school us, just mention a little factoid.
IN GAME> You guys need to get in the game, you missed builds, called things late, said people were back in the game when they really weren't. For HD, you need to, ABSOLUTELY NEED TO get builds right and the flow of the game correctly monitored. You cannot let things happen like, Idk why he is saving up min and gas, right before on the status completion bar it says spire about to finish and lair has been finished for a while. You need to be on the ball, your previous casters were great, you need to be just as good. All the stuff i said can be remedied by watching the builds of all the participants and having increased map awareness  . For Painuser, its about the same. You guys collectively missed a lot and it was disheartening, but I still enjoyed the cast, especially for the fact my fav protoss was in it .
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On April 10 2012 01:59 ETisME wrote:
Please read the game better, it would solve so much issue
This was something that struck me as odd throughout the casts. Regularly they would be grossly incorrect about a battle, one in particular revolved around blink stalkers vs roaches and the blink stalkers weren't grossly outnumbered.
Blink stalkers rape roaches, badly. It's a one-sided face smashing at near equal numbers.
And yet they were questioning whether the protoss was going to be able to kill them all off. I barely play the game anymore and the out-come of battles is easily evaluated from an observer's point of view--we have all the information, it should be easy to determine.
So far this weekend there was like, literally one fight where I was surprised they lost, I don't recall who it was between but it was two koreans, Protoss had a sick colossi / speed zealot / sentry / high templar force VS MMM from terran with a ghost here or there, the protoss was doing a sick job avoiding emp's but one just randomly hit them and the terran army rolled over the toss army with almost no casualties. I didn't see that coming.
But really basic things like, having 5 immortals in a stalker army vs primarily roaches--you don't question who's going to win that fight, immortals tear through roaches, protoss isn't losing that battle.
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haters gon hate you guys.
No matter what someone says, people are going to have differing opinions on what think of your casting.
IMO what is most important for casters, is to be confident and bring the crowd into the matches. If the casters are happy and the crowd is happy then the viewers will be happy. Just act natural and you guys will be even better next time.
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Work better with your partners!!! I feel that you, HD, constantly contradict your casting partner. Whether it be dApollo or PainUser or whoever, once they say something, later in the cast you say something totally different. Not only that but you constantly turn to your partner and say something like "one gas, tell me about that ______" (you repeat "tell me about that" a lot too, change up vocabulary please) and then you don't have any knowledge whatsoever.
You're also really stubborn with your analysis. For example, you constantly said how NesTea would undoubtedly go for the 200 max roach push at 12:00 and that "everything is pointing to it." He did not do it for most of his games, yet at the beginning of almost every one you mentioned it and how good it is and that everyone needs to do it. Make a proper analysis first then explain what strategy it can be. Just because something is good doesn't necessarily mean it's going to happen.
For both of you guys, please pay attention to the game a bit more. Be more active with the production tab and the minimap. You guys neglected most of it. For instance, when someone is going for an all-in, at least mention it before it's already killing the other player.
TL;DR - HD: work better with casting partners, learn the strategies of match-ups other than ones with zerg in it, actually analyse games and don't assume.
- HD and PainUser: Just watch what's going on a bit closer
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On April 10 2012 01:43 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 01:40 kafkaesque wrote:
I suppose we're all a little spoiled by the great competition.
DoA, CP, dApollo etc. all did such a splendid job, making it easy for you guys to be the bottom of the barrell.
I doubt HD is even reading this, but if he does, I hope he can distinguish between the valid criticism and destructive comments that are just trying to be hurtful. Considering CP is usually used in place of child pornography, might want to just call him CatsPajamas :p lol
WTF, Dude!!! That is the last thing I would think CP stood for. Freaking weirdo.
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On April 10 2012 02:18 NadaSound wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 01:43 Mohdoo wrote:On April 10 2012 01:40 kafkaesque wrote:
I suppose we're all a little spoiled by the great competition.
DoA, CP, dApollo etc. all did such a splendid job, making it easy for you guys to be the bottom of the barrell.
I doubt HD is even reading this, but if he does, I hope he can distinguish between the valid criticism and destructive comments that are just trying to be hurtful. Considering CP is usually used in place of child pornography, might want to just call him CatsPajamas :p lol WTF, Dude!!! That is the last thing I would think CP stood for. Freaking weirdo.
yeah no kidding.. immediately thought catspajamas before that post.. weird.
:/
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Personally I found them all pretty terrible apart from Apollo and CatsPajamas, pajamas who i'm not a huge fan of but he's clearly competent at the job and that's just my personal distaste. The other 4 are just not good commentators, Wolf has the game knowledge but treats everything like he's too cool for school except when he's emulating some tastosis thing, while the rest just repeatedly say dumb things and have the charisma of a dead porpoise.
Honestly though I don't expect things to change ever, it appears the only people who are interested in commentating consistently enough to get noticed are the blandest people alive who are willing to sell out any semblance of a personality in order to satiate their endless bloodlust for attention. Luckily for them the SC2 community as a whole has the same soul destroying mentality when it comes to mainstream acceptance so it's a convenient fit.
If you're ever wondering what terrifies the fighting game community about esports, it's pretty much exactly this.
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