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ohmkerg
Profile Joined November 2011
United States102 Posts
April 09 2012 17:27 GMT
#741
since my thread got locked and 'Chill' gave me a stupid analogy to a new movie (lol), I'm posting here.

I think Tasteosis are the best casting duo on the planet, and I'm sure TL agrees. But that doesn't mean they should be able to avoid criticism! :D

One thing that annoys me now that I can't get out of my head because I've recognized it is the frequent use of 'definitely a possibility'. Sounds like a misnomer to me.

I'm sure we're all tired of hearing Artosis say 'ZEE-LOT' too. Has he been asked about this? Does he know the correct pronunciation or is he just trolling?

On a sidenote, I have a newfound respect for Khaldor and Wolf after being forced to listen to HD, Doa and PainUser.
Aveng3r
Profile Joined February 2012
United States2411 Posts
April 09 2012 17:28 GMT
#742
My personal take on HDs and Painusers cast is that it does not compare to other casting duos such as tastosis or Bitterdam. Its hard for me to elaborate on exactly why, so maybe I shouldnt even be posting this.... one thing I can say is that your understanding of the game seems to be a little bit off. Like, a zerg player would be banking 800 of each resource when his spire is 90% complete, and you guys would say something like "boy, his macro is off". Or another time I remember a battle where HD was like "and the terran player appears to have this one in the books!" and then all his vikings would die and the collosus would just destroy the terran army.
Hope this is helpful, sorry if it comes off as just me complaining
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Backpack
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1776 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-09 17:37:36
April 09 2012 17:29 GMT
#743
On April 10 2012 01:50 IPA wrote:
I'll try to keep this constructive, despite being extremely disappointed with HD (as usual).

1. To put it mildly, HD's game-awareness is lacking. Not seeing things being built (hatches, turrets, etc), seemingly unable to put together why Nestea would be stockpiling mins and gas (hint: lair was about to pop), and just flat out missing blatantly obvious occurrences -- all of these negatively affected my IPL4 experience when he was casting. It was distracting, unprofessional and unacceptable at an event of this stature.

2. I know humor is subjective, but HD's plastic, generic jokes and delivery are unwanted and painful (for me).

3. The constant "give a cheer" is beyond exhausting. It robs the crowd of any natural momentum and forces an awkward and forced expression of excitement. Let the crowd cheer on their on. Seriously. I promise. They will not disappoint.

4. To be frank, HD was simply shown up by everyone else at the event. I'm not even the biggest fan of PainUser or CatsPajamas but they were leagues better than HD, and Apollo is so far ahead of them all in terms of analysis, flow, and coherence that he should instantly be given a raise. When you're the worst caster, by far, at a prestigious event, you need to begin working harder.

That being said, I loved the event and enjoyed the games very much. I genuinely hope IPL will take action to either create a do-or-die incentive for HD's job at the next event, or hire a superior caster.

Cheers.


This is a very good post and I believe it sums up a lot of the criticisms that others are not expressing effectively.

Also the posts about name-dropping brood war. Don't do that.
"You people need to just generally care a lot less about everything." -Zatic
schiznak
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia258 Posts
April 09 2012 17:31 GMT
#744
id like it if casters would stop yelling at me.

especially since 95% of the time a caster is yelling, they are just yelling what is on screen. I can infact see what is on the screen, i dont need it said to me, let alone yelled at me.

I'd also like it if casters could provide some level of insight into the game, so that a person such as myself who hasn't played in a year can keep up to date with recent metagame trends merely by watching the game.

I'd also like lan, see if the casters can fix that up for us.

these criticisms dont apply specifically to hd and painuser, but casters as a whole, i just had this reply typed up for a thread that got closed and figured id put it somewhere
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Superiorwolf
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States5509 Posts
April 09 2012 17:34 GMT
#745
It may have been a bit harder to hear in the atmosphere of a barcraft but overall I really liked the commentary and thought there was improvement from before. HD and Painuser did a fine job, the only thing that I think could be useful is doing more research on players and their particular styles / builds beforehand to give better insight during the game, but overall it was great!
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lessQQmorePEWPEW
Profile Joined November 2011
Jamaica921 Posts
April 09 2012 17:37 GMT
#746
Didnt enjoy the games casted by these two. Always seemed like they were lacking something.

Mostly just random ramblings about "i would do this, he should do that" instead of analyzing the game.

game 5 nestea vs squirtle, they suggested nestea hide his lings and make banelings in base when squirtle had pylons in each corner -_-

Hopefully they can improve a vast amount more!

Good luck
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SYGY
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada88 Posts
April 09 2012 17:41 GMT
#747
Your guys casting was AMAZING! Haters gonna hate. <3 Big love for HD and Pain User.
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MarcH
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom362 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-09 17:43:25
April 09 2012 17:42 GMT
#748
I felt that the the biggest issue that HD and Painuser have when they cast together is that they over complicate things and that they should try to settle into a more normal casting dynamic. Let Painuser do the analysis and let HD do the colour. HD shouldn't try to add analysis as it tends to throw both of you off and lead to a few awkward pauses where neither of you knew who was going to talk next and on other times HD followed on from a point Painuser had made by saying the exact same thing and that again led to the awkward moments.

In short
Keep things simple and you will grow as a duo, then you can start to add in a bit more veriaty but you have to nail the basics first and at the moment I feel you aren't doing that.

Oh and when your not in game talk to the camera and not to each other.
Arghnews
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom169 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-09 17:47:24
April 09 2012 17:45 GMT
#749
On April 10 2012 02:31 schiznak wrote:
id like it if casters would stop yelling at me.

especially since 95% of the time a caster is yelling, they are just yelling what is on screen. I can infact see what is on the screen, i dont need it said to me, let alone yelled at me.

I'd also like it if casters could provide some level of insight into the game, so that a person such as myself who hasn't played in a year can keep up to date with recent metagame trends merely by watching the game.

I'd also like lan, see if the casters can fix that up for us.

these criticisms dont apply specifically to hd and painuser, but casters as a whole, i just had this reply typed up for a thread that got closed and figured id put it somewhere


The first 2 points are ok. Then "I WOULD LIKE CASTERS TO GIVE ME LAN" ROFL?????? What are you on about mate?




And to HD. Smile, relax - SLAP whoever forced you to eek a cheer from the crowd every few seconds - and take the criticism to heart - be more map aware, and spend some time watching/playing the game man! :D

Remember, you don't have HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of Youtube Subs for nothing!
stormchaser
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada1009 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-09 17:46:51
April 09 2012 17:45 GMT
#750
On April 10 2012 02:29 Backpack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2012 01:50 IPA wrote:
I'll try to keep this constructive, despite being extremely disappointed with HD (as usual).

1. To put it mildly, HD's game-awareness is lacking. Not seeing things being built (hatches, turrets, etc), seemingly unable to put together why Nestea would be stockpiling mins and gas (hint: lair was about to pop), and just flat out missing blatantly obvious occurrences -- all of these negatively affected my IPL4 experience when he was casting. It was distracting, unprofessional and unacceptable at an event of this stature.

2. I know humor is subjective, but HD's plastic, generic jokes and delivery are unwanted and painful (for me).

3. The constant "give a cheer" is beyond exhausting. It robs the crowd of any natural momentum and forces an awkward and forced expression of excitement. Let the crowd cheer on their on. Seriously. I promise. They will not disappoint.

4. To be frank, HD was simply shown up by everyone else at the event. I'm not even the biggest fan of PainUser or CatsPajamas but they were leagues better than HD, and Apollo is so far ahead of them all in terms of analysis, flow, and coherence that he should instantly be given a raise. When you're the worst caster, by far, at a prestigious event, you need to begin working harder.

That being said, I loved the event and enjoyed the games very much. I genuinely hope IPL will take action to either create a do-or-die incentive for HD's job at the next event, or hire a superior caster.

Cheers.


This is a very good post and I believe it sums up a lot of the criticisms that others are not expressing effectively.

Also the posts about name-dropping brood war. Don't do that.

No it's terrible. The only point that is solid criticism is the first point, which I would explain as the misinformation he said at times. Everything else is just nitpicky garbage that every caster does and this guy just wants to hate. If HD reads this, PLEASE DON'T TAKE THIS PERSON'S ADVICE.

I think HD needs to focus on becoming a co-caster as he's used to his YT casts and you can tell he tries to carry both the job of an analytical and play-by-play caster. He also needs to stay moreso focused on the match, at times as he will go offtopic during the heat of a battle. He should only be telling stories/making jokes/etc. when there is downtime during a match (basically the beginning).
Fortnight
Profile Joined April 2010
United States8 Posts
April 09 2012 17:46 GMT
#751
On April 10 2012 01:50 IPA wrote:
1. To put it mildly, HD's game-awareness is lacking. Not seeing things being built (hatches, turrets, etc), seemingly unable to put together why Nestea would be stockpiling mins and gas (hint: lair was about to pop), and just flat out missing blatantly obvious occurrences -- all of these negatively affected my IPL4 experience when he was casting. It was distracting, unprofessional and unacceptable at an event of this stature.

2. I know humor is subjective, but HD's plastic, generic jokes and delivery are unwanted and painful (for me).

3. The constant "give a cheer" is beyond exhausting. It robs the crowd of any natural momentum and forces an awkward and forced expression of excitement. Let the crowd cheer on their on. Seriously. I promise. They will not disappoint.

4. To be frank, HD was simply shown up by everyone else at the event. I'm not even the biggest fan of PainUser or CatsPajamas but they were leagues better than HD, and Apollo is so far ahead of them all in terms of analysis, flow, and coherence that he should instantly be given a raise. When you're the worst caster, by far, at a prestigious event, you need to begin working harder.

That being said, I loved the event and enjoyed the games very much. I genuinely hope IPL will take action to either create a do-or-die incentive for HD's job at the next event, or hire a superior caster.


My thoughts/feelings couldn't possibly be more accurately put than this, on all points. Spot. On.

komokun
Profile Joined July 2011
France343 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-09 17:55:39
April 09 2012 17:54 GMT
#752
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 11 2011 20:53 komokun wrote:
On October 11 2011 20:16 Kuni wrote:
Probably repeating what most of the people in this thread said. Painuser is perfectly fine. You on the other hand suffer from the same problem Husky suffered in the past, but he got over it and improved a lot, really. So it would not hurt to focus on improving your game knowledge and awareness of the things going on while casting. Maybe also work on some jokes and there have been a lot of situations, where the what we saw in the games were different from what you told us.

I'm sure you can do it, just like husky, who is not that bad anymore.


Husky's improvement is a great thing to look for.

Don't take the negative feedback too hard. I was agreeably surprised by your casting duo with painuser. I think it was much better than during the qualifiers so you need to keep working on some stuff.

My two cents :

- Be careful when you give an opinion on who's ahead/behind in a game. Sometimes you focused to much on few specific aspects and missed the more general trend of the game. In one of the early ZvP, when the zerg loses units to a FE stargate but is ahead in bases/workers/supply after the harassment/push, he is NOT behind. Sometimes Painuser would correct you but other times you both go head first into thinking that one player is way ahead and confirm each other's intuition and keep repeating wrong stuff. Try and keep a clear mind and don't let your counterpart influence your though too much. You need to help each other instead of pushing into the wrong direction with a nowball effect. I think the criticism you've had on the game knowlegde is due to rushing to conclusion ("A is definitely ahead... 2min later B is miles ahead...1min later A crushes B in a convincing fashion !!")

- Obsing was really bad at times. I know it can be really difficult to cast and obs at the same time. Try and see if it is possible to get a dedicated obs like in GSL. It was better at the end but some of the obsing made me sick with unstable screen, units fighting on the edge, following moving units by screen scrolling. You also missed many drops and even big engagements at times...

- Sometimes I felt awkward when you shared your own game experience as a zerg player ("when I get two raxed...blahblahblah). I don't mind it when the caster is competitive (ie painuser) but I think you lack legitimacy to include yourself, as you are comparing yourself (mid-masters ?) to players who are in a whole different league
.


That was my feedback six months ago

Unfortunately, I felt like your duo with painuner was even worse than before, and I muted/moved to korean stream for the first time for an sc2 broadcast. Being shouted retarded nonsense at 5 am does that to you.

As many people say, please improve your player/pro scene/metagame knowledge. It's your darn job. Be an expert at least in your ability to present players, teams, playstyle and reputation if you can't analyse the game.

Again please stick to play by play, your repeated wrong calls are detrimential to PU who sounds like an unbearable know-it-all corecting you all the time with secret voice.

Obsing got much better though...
IPA
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3206 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-09 17:59:34
April 09 2012 17:58 GMT
#753
On April 10 2012 02:45 stormchaser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2012 02:29 Backpack wrote:
On April 10 2012 01:50 IPA wrote:
I'll try to keep this constructive, despite being extremely disappointed with HD (as usual).

1. To put it mildly, HD's game-awareness is lacking. Not seeing things being built (hatches, turrets, etc), seemingly unable to put together why Nestea would be stockpiling mins and gas (hint: lair was about to pop), and just flat out missing blatantly obvious occurrences -- all of these negatively affected my IPL4 experience when he was casting. It was distracting, unprofessional and unacceptable at an event of this stature.

2. I know humor is subjective, but HD's plastic, generic jokes and delivery are unwanted and painful (for me).

3. The constant "give a cheer" is beyond exhausting. It robs the crowd of any natural momentum and forces an awkward and forced expression of excitement. Let the crowd cheer on their on. Seriously. I promise. They will not disappoint.

4. To be frank, HD was simply shown up by everyone else at the event. I'm not even the biggest fan of PainUser or CatsPajamas but they were leagues better than HD, and Apollo is so far ahead of them all in terms of analysis, flow, and coherence that he should instantly be given a raise. When you're the worst caster, by far, at a prestigious event, you need to begin working harder.

That being said, I loved the event and enjoyed the games very much. I genuinely hope IPL will take action to either create a do-or-die incentive for HD's job at the next event, or hire a superior caster.

Cheers.


This is a very good post and I believe it sums up a lot of the criticisms that others are not expressing effectively.

Also the posts about name-dropping brood war. Don't do that.

No it's terrible. The only point that is solid criticism is the first point, which I would explain as the misinformation he said at times. Everything else is just nitpicky garbage that every caster does and this guy just wants to hate. If HD reads this, PLEASE DON'T TAKE THIS PERSON'S ADVICE.

I think HD needs to focus on becoming a co-caster as he's used to his YT casts and you can tell he tries to carry both the job of an analytical and play-by-play caster. He also needs to stay moreso focused on the match, at times as he will go offtopic during the heat of a battle. He should only be telling stories/making jokes/etc. when there is downtime during a match (basically the beginning).


My post is criticism of HD's casting. This is a thread, created by the casters themselves, asking for criticism. What is "nitpicky garbage" to you is something awful for myself and many other posters in this thread. It's comical for you to advise HD to avoid my post when he created it for that very purpose.

Also, I am not alone in my feelings -- read the last ten pages my friend. Take a deep breath: people have different opinions than you, and it's ok. Cheers.
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stormchaser
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada1009 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-09 18:09:37
April 09 2012 18:01 GMT
#754
On April 10 2012 02:58 IPA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2012 02:45 stormchaser wrote:
On April 10 2012 02:29 Backpack wrote:
On April 10 2012 01:50 IPA wrote:
I'll try to keep this constructive, despite being extremely disappointed with HD (as usual).

1. To put it mildly, HD's game-awareness is lacking. Not seeing things being built (hatches, turrets, etc), seemingly unable to put together why Nestea would be stockpiling mins and gas (hint: lair was about to pop), and just flat out missing blatantly obvious occurrences -- all of these negatively affected my IPL4 experience when he was casting. It was distracting, unprofessional and unacceptable at an event of this stature.

2. I know humor is subjective, but HD's plastic, generic jokes and delivery are unwanted and painful (for me).

3. The constant "give a cheer" is beyond exhausting. It robs the crowd of any natural momentum and forces an awkward and forced expression of excitement. Let the crowd cheer on their on. Seriously. I promise. They will not disappoint.

4. To be frank, HD was simply shown up by everyone else at the event. I'm not even the biggest fan of PainUser or CatsPajamas but they were leagues better than HD, and Apollo is so far ahead of them all in terms of analysis, flow, and coherence that he should instantly be given a raise. When you're the worst caster, by far, at a prestigious event, you need to begin working harder.

That being said, I loved the event and enjoyed the games very much. I genuinely hope IPL will take action to either create a do-or-die incentive for HD's job at the next event, or hire a superior caster.

Cheers.


This is a very good post and I believe it sums up a lot of the criticisms that others are not expressing effectively.

Also the posts about name-dropping brood war. Don't do that.

No it's terrible. The only point that is solid criticism is the first point, which I would explain as the misinformation he said at times. Everything else is just nitpicky garbage that every caster does and this guy just wants to hate. If HD reads this, PLEASE DON'T TAKE THIS PERSON'S ADVICE.

I think HD needs to focus on becoming a co-caster as he's used to his YT casts and you can tell he tries to carry both the job of an analytical and play-by-play caster. He also needs to stay moreso focused on the match, at times as he will go offtopic during the heat of a battle. He should only be telling stories/making jokes/etc. when there is downtime during a match (basically the beginning).


My post is criticism of HD's casting. This is a thread, created by the casters themselves, asking for criticism. What is "nitpicky garbage" to you is something awful for myself and many other posters in this thread. It's comical for you to advise HD to avoid my post when he created it for that very purpose.

Also, I am not alone in my feelings -- read the last ten pages my friend. Take a deep breath: people have different opinions than you, and it's ok. Cheers.
woah buddy i thinkyou should reread your post. I don't think you made more than one point. All the rest is subjective. That is NOT good criticism. Take a back seat brah

Your post is basically herp derp PAINFUL derp herp AWFUL blah blah WORST...

The point of criticism is not to be a total asshole. It is to critique. Not say HOW bad a person is but HOW they can improve.


User was warned for this post
h41fgod
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden377 Posts
April 09 2012 18:11 GMT
#755
On April 10 2012 03:01 stormchaser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2012 02:58 IPA wrote:
On April 10 2012 02:45 stormchaser wrote:
On April 10 2012 02:29 Backpack wrote:
On April 10 2012 01:50 IPA wrote:
I'll try to keep this constructive, despite being extremely disappointed with HD (as usual).

1. To put it mildly, HD's game-awareness is lacking. Not seeing things being built (hatches, turrets, etc), seemingly unable to put together why Nestea would be stockpiling mins and gas (hint: lair was about to pop), and just flat out missing blatantly obvious occurrences -- all of these negatively affected my IPL4 experience when he was casting. It was distracting, unprofessional and unacceptable at an event of this stature.

2. I know humor is subjective, but HD's plastic, generic jokes and delivery are unwanted and painful (for me).

3. The constant "give a cheer" is beyond exhausting. It robs the crowd of any natural momentum and forces an awkward and forced expression of excitement. Let the crowd cheer on their on. Seriously. I promise. They will not disappoint.

4. To be frank, HD was simply shown up by everyone else at the event. I'm not even the biggest fan of PainUser or CatsPajamas but they were leagues better than HD, and Apollo is so far ahead of them all in terms of analysis, flow, and coherence that he should instantly be given a raise. When you're the worst caster, by far, at a prestigious event, you need to begin working harder.

That being said, I loved the event and enjoyed the games very much. I genuinely hope IPL will take action to either create a do-or-die incentive for HD's job at the next event, or hire a superior caster.

Cheers.


This is a very good post and I believe it sums up a lot of the criticisms that others are not expressing effectively.

Also the posts about name-dropping brood war. Don't do that.

No it's terrible. The only point that is solid criticism is the first point, which I would explain as the misinformation he said at times. Everything else is just nitpicky garbage that every caster does and this guy just wants to hate. If HD reads this, PLEASE DON'T TAKE THIS PERSON'S ADVICE.

I think HD needs to focus on becoming a co-caster as he's used to his YT casts and you can tell he tries to carry both the job of an analytical and play-by-play caster. He also needs to stay moreso focused on the match, at times as he will go offtopic during the heat of a battle. He should only be telling stories/making jokes/etc. when there is downtime during a match (basically the beginning).


My post is criticism of HD's casting. This is a thread, created by the casters themselves, asking for criticism. What is "nitpicky garbage" to you is something awful for myself and many other posters in this thread. It's comical for you to advise HD to avoid my post when he created it for that very purpose.

Also, I am not alone in my feelings -- read the last ten pages my friend. Take a deep breath: people have different opinions than you, and it's ok. Cheers.
woah buddy i thinkyou should reread your post. I don't think you made more than one point. All the rest is subjective. That is NOT good criticism. Take a back seat brah

Your post is basically herp derp PAINFUL derp herp AWFUL blah blah WORST...

The point of criticism is not to be a total asshole. It is to critique. Not say HOW bad a person is but HOW they can improve.

I think he is asking him to stop.
PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-09 18:13:51
April 09 2012 18:13 GMT
#756
I didn't like when HD said...

"I don't know if theres an obs on the map or not! He needs one! Oh! he does have one!"

Then silence hits for about 5 seconds and Painuser says

"there is NOT an observer on the field, nor is there a facility".

P.s. painuser, yes there was, and when you keep over correcting people, you better make sure you're correct everysingle damn time. They had the unit tab open, and there was most definitely an obs on the field, and you were saying there WASN'T (making HD look stupid and wrong) as the unit overlay was OPEN.

Embarassing.
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swinkles
Profile Joined June 2011
131 Posts
April 09 2012 18:14 GMT
#757
dApollo is amazing
IPA
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3206 Posts
April 09 2012 18:14 GMT
#758
On April 10 2012 03:01 stormchaser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2012 02:58 IPA wrote:
On April 10 2012 02:45 stormchaser wrote:
On April 10 2012 02:29 Backpack wrote:
On April 10 2012 01:50 IPA wrote:
I'll try to keep this constructive, despite being extremely disappointed with HD (as usual).

1. To put it mildly, HD's game-awareness is lacking. Not seeing things being built (hatches, turrets, etc), seemingly unable to put together why Nestea would be stockpiling mins and gas (hint: lair was about to pop), and just flat out missing blatantly obvious occurrences -- all of these negatively affected my IPL4 experience when he was casting. It was distracting, unprofessional and unacceptable at an event of this stature.

2. I know humor is subjective, but HD's plastic, generic jokes and delivery are unwanted and painful (for me).

3. The constant "give a cheer" is beyond exhausting. It robs the crowd of any natural momentum and forces an awkward and forced expression of excitement. Let the crowd cheer on their on. Seriously. I promise. They will not disappoint.

4. To be frank, HD was simply shown up by everyone else at the event. I'm not even the biggest fan of PainUser or CatsPajamas but they were leagues better than HD, and Apollo is so far ahead of them all in terms of analysis, flow, and coherence that he should instantly be given a raise. When you're the worst caster, by far, at a prestigious event, you need to begin working harder.

That being said, I loved the event and enjoyed the games very much. I genuinely hope IPL will take action to either create a do-or-die incentive for HD's job at the next event, or hire a superior caster.

Cheers.


This is a very good post and I believe it sums up a lot of the criticisms that others are not expressing effectively.

Also the posts about name-dropping brood war. Don't do that.

No it's terrible. The only point that is solid criticism is the first point, which I would explain as the misinformation he said at times. Everything else is just nitpicky garbage that every caster does and this guy just wants to hate. If HD reads this, PLEASE DON'T TAKE THIS PERSON'S ADVICE.

I think HD needs to focus on becoming a co-caster as he's used to his YT casts and you can tell he tries to carry both the job of an analytical and play-by-play caster. He also needs to stay moreso focused on the match, at times as he will go offtopic during the heat of a battle. He should only be telling stories/making jokes/etc. when there is downtime during a match (basically the beginning).


My post is criticism of HD's casting. This is a thread, created by the casters themselves, asking for criticism. What is "nitpicky garbage" to you is something awful for myself and many other posters in this thread. It's comical for you to advise HD to avoid my post when he created it for that very purpose.

Also, I am not alone in my feelings -- read the last ten pages my friend. Take a deep breath: people have different opinions than you, and it's ok. Cheers.
woah buddy i thinkyou should reread your post. I don't think you made more than one point. All the rest is subjective. That is NOT good criticism. Take a back seat brah

Your post is basically herp derp PAINFUL derp herp AWFUL blah blah WORST...

The point of criticism is not to be a total asshole. It is to critique. Not say HOW bad a person is but HOW they can improve.


All criticism is subjective. Several people have agreed with my post so let's just say you and I have a difference of opinion. You seem to be a fan of HD's though, so maybe his criticism thread isn't the one you should be in.
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tbrown47
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1235 Posts
April 09 2012 18:16 GMT
#759
I feel like the hive-mind has warped everyone's opinions on HD/PainUser as casters. They are my second favorite to listen to next to Tasteless/Artosis.

HD/PU if you are reading this as I'm sure you are, remember this is the vocal minority speaking. I love your casts and I'm sure most people do, so don't take unwarranted criticism too hard.
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stormchaser
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada1009 Posts
April 09 2012 18:17 GMT
#760
On April 10 2012 03:14 IPA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2012 03:01 stormchaser wrote:
On April 10 2012 02:58 IPA wrote:
On April 10 2012 02:45 stormchaser wrote:
On April 10 2012 02:29 Backpack wrote:
On April 10 2012 01:50 IPA wrote:
I'll try to keep this constructive, despite being extremely disappointed with HD (as usual).

1. To put it mildly, HD's game-awareness is lacking. Not seeing things being built (hatches, turrets, etc), seemingly unable to put together why Nestea would be stockpiling mins and gas (hint: lair was about to pop), and just flat out missing blatantly obvious occurrences -- all of these negatively affected my IPL4 experience when he was casting. It was distracting, unprofessional and unacceptable at an event of this stature.

2. I know humor is subjective, but HD's plastic, generic jokes and delivery are unwanted and painful (for me).

3. The constant "give a cheer" is beyond exhausting. It robs the crowd of any natural momentum and forces an awkward and forced expression of excitement. Let the crowd cheer on their on. Seriously. I promise. They will not disappoint.

4. To be frank, HD was simply shown up by everyone else at the event. I'm not even the biggest fan of PainUser or CatsPajamas but they were leagues better than HD, and Apollo is so far ahead of them all in terms of analysis, flow, and coherence that he should instantly be given a raise. When you're the worst caster, by far, at a prestigious event, you need to begin working harder.

That being said, I loved the event and enjoyed the games very much. I genuinely hope IPL will take action to either create a do-or-die incentive for HD's job at the next event, or hire a superior caster.

Cheers.


This is a very good post and I believe it sums up a lot of the criticisms that others are not expressing effectively.

Also the posts about name-dropping brood war. Don't do that.

No it's terrible. The only point that is solid criticism is the first point, which I would explain as the misinformation he said at times. Everything else is just nitpicky garbage that every caster does and this guy just wants to hate. If HD reads this, PLEASE DON'T TAKE THIS PERSON'S ADVICE.

I think HD needs to focus on becoming a co-caster as he's used to his YT casts and you can tell he tries to carry both the job of an analytical and play-by-play caster. He also needs to stay moreso focused on the match, at times as he will go offtopic during the heat of a battle. He should only be telling stories/making jokes/etc. when there is downtime during a match (basically the beginning).


My post is criticism of HD's casting. This is a thread, created by the casters themselves, asking for criticism. What is "nitpicky garbage" to you is something awful for myself and many other posters in this thread. It's comical for you to advise HD to avoid my post when he created it for that very purpose.

Also, I am not alone in my feelings -- read the last ten pages my friend. Take a deep breath: people have different opinions than you, and it's ok. Cheers.
woah buddy i thinkyou should reread your post. I don't think you made more than one point. All the rest is subjective. That is NOT good criticism. Take a back seat brah

Your post is basically herp derp PAINFUL derp herp AWFUL blah blah WORST...

The point of criticism is not to be a total asshole. It is to critique. Not say HOW bad a person is but HOW they can improve.


All criticism is subjective. Several people have agreed with my post so let's just say you and I have a difference of opinion. You seem to be a fan of HD's though, so maybe his criticism thread isn't the one you should be in.

Yeah man, I shouldn't critique that is why I'm listing some solutions to the problem :D
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