EPTSame with painuser saying "Stephano's best matchup is ZvT", when you don't know just don't say anything.
PainUser & HD Casting Feedback Thread! - Page 32
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NeonFox
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Same with painuser saying "Stephano's best matchup is ZvT", when you don't know just don't say anything. | ||
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Nifel
706 Posts
I feel PainUser did his most "fluent" casting to date, and HD worked surprisingly well with Apollo (but I guess both HD and Apollo can work well with almost anyone). | ||
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littlemozart7
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Hiea
Denmark1538 Posts
- The amount of game knowledge the two of you had seemed extremely limited, you said wrong things a lot of the time. - Stop using abbreviations all the time or old names, no one else does it with the same things like "Bling", "Comsat" those are the two that i can think off the top of my head. - Painuser needs to stop clapping right infront of the mic whenever something happens, its very annoying, same goes whenever he wants the crowd to cheer he just raises his hands contiously. - Lack of player knowledge, its understandable if you don't know much about the more unknown koreans like Squirtle, but during one cast that were with painuser or hd with another caster, he was pointing out how bomber was inconsistent, then one of you guys are like "Yeah Squirtle really needs to prove it today", these mistakes happen A LOT, you don't know much about the players, the big names like Bomber, everyone knows bomber is inconsistent, but you don't? Overall the things that annoy me the most is the lack of game and player knowledge. | ||
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Micro_Jackson
Germany2002 Posts
And the production was not on a level which these event (and the money puted in) deserves. The GSTL disco, the IP fail, shots on the crowd in battles (yea you have an amazing camera crane but i want to see starcraft) or the zooming in and out to the players the whole time. | ||
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Split.
Switzerland234 Posts
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snailz
Croatia900 Posts
so much hate on the casters, even the absolute best ones are not immune, so what can guys from IPL expect... keep trying and working hard, that is all, loved your event. On April 09 2012 19:03 Hiea wrote: - The amount of game knowledge the two of you had seemed extremely limited, you said wrong things a lot of the time. On April 09 2012 18:56 littlemozart7 wrote: my advice to both of you, is to play play and play more, get better at this game. just lol. i could see this going @ HD, but for PainUser......... lol. | ||
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MarcH
United Kingdom362 Posts
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Jombozeus
China1014 Posts
And I was shouting audibly for 2 whole throat-busting minutes. You're in your own little bubble when you cast and you don't acknowledge the existence of anything. C'mon man, step it up. | ||
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
On April 09 2012 19:31 snailz wrote: you guys realize PainUser was a semipro? and terran at that. him saying about no early second gas no banshee was completely right call, as was seen later on. bronzies shouldn't teach high masters how to call something, okay? so much hate on the casters, even the absolute best ones are not immune, so what can guys from IPL expect... keep trying and working hard, that is all, loved your event. just lol. i could see this going @ HD, but for PainUser......... lol. A bronze player could tell that no early 2nd gas = no banshee. Just saying, but seeing as he used to be a pro he doesn't have great game knowledge. | ||
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Brian333
657 Posts
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deafhobbit
United States828 Posts
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snailz
Croatia900 Posts
On April 09 2012 19:53 ProxyKnoxy wrote: A bronze player could tell that no early 2nd gas = no banshee. Just saying, but seeing as he used to be a pro he doesn't have great game knowledge. i was refering to the guy that said PainUser was wrong about saying "it will most likely be hellions because second gas is late which means no banshees", even though he was completely right in his "call" and no, i completely disagree. a guy is on ITG on weekly basis, representing the terran side alongside idra and incontrol for zerg and protoss respectively. it's a show about balance, more or less. so saying he's not knowledgable is ignorant, i am sorry. also, even to date he goes through few rounds in MLG open bracket before elimination, even tho he is caster first player second. that's impressive man, which ever way you look at it. i can't except anyone below semi-pro status critizing his game knowledge... you don't get good at this game without knowing your shit. it's simple as that. and no i'm not PainUser fanboy, in fact i kinda hated him for what he did to Boxer at NASL S1 (no show incident). but you can't deny he knows his stuff. you can dislike his style, whispering, voice, casting chemistry, looks, but not game knowledge. situation like these is why guys like Destiny make fun of people in chat after a game, because even though you think you know better than a (semi)pro, you actually don't, and they really don't need you to tell them what they did wrong, because 9 out of 10 cases it will be wrong and you won't even realize it... anyhows, that's all from me, greets | ||
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Pulimuli
Sweden2766 Posts
On October 11 2011 15:09 0neder wrote: I'd like to give you some feedback you probably weren't expecting. I hope you guys, IPL, and your competitors take it to heart. I know I will give definite preference to whoever does. 1. TURN OFF PROGRESS STATS BARS. Existing stuff is fine, income is fine, just don't tell me what's going to happen in the future. It completely kills the excitement by about 300%. Don't tell me how behind someone is either. That kills the game instantly. Don't show the worker/unit tab. 2. To be honest, I don't expect amazing game knowledge, and I don't even really want it. Don't try to predict what will happen, just hype up what IS happening. Don't show skepticism of a strategy, give a player the benefit of the doubt and hype up his guts to give each variable more importance by cheesing. I enjoy your casting in terms of delivery and excitement. Sometimes it feels a little fake, but overall you guys are good. Just give me uncertainty and excitement over omniscience and declarations that a game's over so I might as well stop watching. kind or hard to know whats happening and which upgrades/tech is being built without them turned on. Having them turned off so you dont know shit is retarded imo | ||
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hkf
Australia354 Posts
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][Primarch][
Sweden302 Posts
Painuser is an enigma, I really like the dude but sometimes he comes up with insane stuff. Like in the game between Nestea and Squirtle on Antiga when Nesta cancels his gold hatch since he was banking on Squirtle FFE (forge fast expanding) but when he scouts the GW (gateway) expand there is no chance that Nestea gets away with that so he is forced to cancel the gold and put down expand at the natural (it's all obvious to the point of the extremely obvious). I can understand that HD was extremely shocked since he can't understand the game but I was really disappointed with Painuser even being more shocked. Sure fatigue and pressure can cause stuff like this to happen... Every one makes mistakes and there is always a chance to improve. The important thing here is that you have to know what your flaws are and work on removing them. Study and talk to other casters like Apollo (who is for me the best caster atm) for example. Why do I spend so much time writing this? Why do I care so much? I really like you guys, great personalities but it hurts to hear so many bad analysis from a viewers point of view. Peace | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
There were lots of wrong calls or assumtions about the game. In my opinion, besides doing your homework on players, you should talk more about what the possibilities of the players are, what they could do to come back or work around a tricky situation. From someone like PainUser who actually played on a good level, I'd expect for a bit deeper analysis rather than explaining what everyone can see. I also have the feeling that largely casters from the US shy away from calling out something not well done and tend to use superlatives quiet often. (best ...., huuuuuuuuuge, amazing, beautiful) when its actually not quiet game changing. If a fungal hits 10 marines, good. If there are 10 medivacs around and no support for that fungal... not so huge. Anyways its not always easy to have a good casting performance. If you try to get more information and a bit better teamcasting (1 analytical, 1 doing the more obvious, fight-commentary etc) it would be already a lot better. And I'd rather go for not calling a situation than calling it wrong. My 2 cents  | ||
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expectations111
Germany24 Posts
On April 09 2012 20:11 Pulimuli wrote: kind or hard to know whats happening and which upgrades/tech is being built without them turned on. Having them turned off so you dont know shit is retarded imo I have to say, that's an interesting stance towards watching the games! I'm not sure how many people here are with you on the same page. I myself, really want to see the workers tab regularly. Units tab/Food count are the most signifikant statistics if you just wanna see on a glance whos ahead. I often flick out and in of matches and I'm mainly interested to whos ahead, so I really want to see those stats. I also usually stop watching a match if I'm sure its over. | ||
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Aunvilgod
2653 Posts
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Mentalizor
Denmark1596 Posts
HD was actually the first caster I ever saw on YouTube. And the casting back then was good enough for me to actually watch the videos. HD soon lead to Husky. Husky then lead to TeamLiquid. TeamLiquid lead to Tastosis and Day9. I'm not saying you need to be as Tastosis or Day9, but there's a huge difference. I actually do like some of PainUsers points. Being a protoss player myself I will actually not notice some key choices in some Z or T builds. But that being said I think PainUser is a weird combination of play-by-play and an expert. Where someone like Artosis, MrBitter and Apollo is fine not talking as much - but actually saying only what is expected of them, when explaining complex strategies, build orders, unit/building placements etc etc. HD on the other hand is obviously play-by-play. And as mentioned he was the first guy to actually get me fascinated with watching starcraft instead of just playing it. However where alot has changed I feel HD hasn't been able to keep up with neither the metagame nor the quality which is increasing constantly. Sorry to say guys. But you're a weird combo and there's quite a few combos I'd prefer out there :'/ Edit: I forgot to mention... Casting is one thing another thing is chemistry. It's obvious you guys know eachother and you're able to kid around like Tastosis. That's actually quite good I like to hear casters enjoying themselves and their co-caster | ||
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