EPTPainUser & HD Casting Feedback Thread! - Page 30
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PeZuY
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Sovano
United States1503 Posts
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Probasaur
United States461 Posts
Perhaps there were times when HD was making mistakes here or there, honestly I must not had been playing close enough attention cause I didn't notice. But when you talk to the crowd you need to be seriously hyped up. It wasn't just HD doing this I noticed several other people on stage do this too, when you're asking the crowd to get excited... you need to actually sound excited as you do it. Or it comes off fake and forced. And yeah you cant ask the crowd a hundred times to "make some noise" you really need to pay attention to whats going on or you sound redundant. But wow Painuser man, I was pleasantly surprised with how great he was with the crowd. I hope HD picks up the slack a little bit because you guys makea great duo and I hope to see a lot more of you both. | ||
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ContactKilla
United States194 Posts
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Pwnzer
United States617 Posts
On April 09 2012 14:31 ContactKilla wrote: HD I muted you. Cant stand your casting. just watched the game in silence Why don't you offer him some constructive criticism instead of just saying you hated him. It doesn't really help for you just to tell him he's bad. : / I thought for the most part the casting was decent. | ||
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IMoperator
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sword_siege
United States624 Posts
On April 09 2012 14:31 ContactKilla wrote: HD I muted you. Cant stand your casting. just watched the game in silence This is a poor example of feedback. I hope you never work in a corporate environment or try to express yourself to a colleague or your significant other for that matter using this kind of feedback. If you could be specific your opinion would have weight and merit, right now we're just ignoring you as a baseless accusation. To help you out, here's an example of constructive feedback. Caster X. You use filler words like uhm, yeah and you know 23 times between hour 6 and 8 on <insert link>. These words add no value to your casting, please try to eliminate them. | ||
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stormchaser
Canada1009 Posts
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-Exalt-
United States972 Posts
On April 09 2012 14:31 ContactKilla wrote: HD I muted you. Cant stand your casting. just watched the game in silence i don't understand why posts like this in this thread don't get bans. if you go to any other thread and see type of post it's an auto ban or warn, but not here. so much hate / flaming in a thread that is meant for positive / constructive critisism and feedback. | ||
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MrCash
United States1504 Posts
On April 09 2012 14:42 sword_siege wrote: This is a poor example of feedback. I hope you never work in a corporate environment or try to express yourself to a colleague or your significant other for that matter using this kind of feedback. If you could be specific your opinion would have weight and merit, right now we're just ignoring you as a baseless accusation. To help you out, here's an example of constructive feedback. Caster X. You use filler words like uhm, yeah and you know 23 times between hour 6 and 8 on <insert link>. These words add no value to your casting, please try to eliminate them. I agree about constructive criticism in general, but I feel it applies mostly to analytical casters. Shoutcasters or play by play casters are mostly about voice, exclamation and personality. Voice control is something that either comes naturally or requires training, most of us are not qualified to give advice in that department. Personality aspect is either going to appeal to you or it won't. HD doesn't appeal to me personally, I can't give you specific advice on how I could like you. And even if I could, changing his personality could cause him to lose fans who do like him. Some personalities will just rub some people wrong and won't be pleasant. For example, pretty much anything cast by IMBA-tv I personally find intolerable and when possible will just watch a foreign language stream if available, so that I could still hear game sounds without being annoyed by the casting. To add, in regards to the original post, I do find it pointless to post "I don't like this guy's personality" in a thread designed to help these casters improve. In the same light I find it pointless to post "great job, I like you", the positive comments are just far more tolerated as they aren't belligerent. | ||
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McFeser
United States2458 Posts
I could write a pretty lengthy criticism on the things you're doing right and what you're doing wrong, but it'd seem like I would be wasting air. I feel like there is this common view among some of commentators that the community is full of haters and therefore their critiques are invalid. Far from it. Your job is to entertain us (either by being funny or informative), but the problem I find with your casts is I could really care less about them. At their best, it's nothing special. It's a serious thing and I think that I speak for alot of people when I say that. So, sure I could give you ideas about how to become a better caster but shouldn't it be your job to improve it? Anyways, good luck finding your niche. | ||
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adeezy
United States1428 Posts
On April 09 2012 14:56 McFeser wrote: So HD/Painuser do either of you guys care about these criticisms? Both of you have to be aware hatred that is getting thrown your way and I want to know how substantive you think it is. I could write a pretty lengthy criticism on the things you're doing right and what you're doing wrong, but it'd seem like I would be wasting air. I feel like there is this common view among some of commentators that the community is full of haters and therefore their critiques are invalid. Far from it. Your job is to entertain us (either by being funny or informative), but the problem I find with your casts is I could really care less about them. At their best, it's nothing special. It's a serious thing and I think that I speak for alot of people when I say that. So, sure I could give you ideas about how to become a better caster but shouldn't it be your job to improve it? Anyways, good luck finding your niche. except the community is filled with haters, they have issues, but they dont deserve the hateful remarks they get. they do plenty of things right. | ||
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Monsen
Germany2548 Posts
On April 09 2012 14:52 AegiS_ wrote: i don't understand why posts like this in this thread don't get bans. if you go to any other thread and see type of post it's an auto ban or warn, but not here. so much hate / flaming in a thread that is meant for positive / constructive critisism and feedback. Well, it's said in a polite manner and it says "feedback" not "constructive criticism" in the thread title. I agree that such replies have little value, but expressing a 100% dislike is still ok in my view when the post quality is decent. I also would agree that HD is the weakest of the casters right now. No biggie though, can always switch streams. edit: Painuser has improved quite a bit since I saw him first on NASL (I think). | ||
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SwizzY
United States1549 Posts
Yeah, this requires you to put some real time into watching replays/playing ladder, but if casting is your passion then I think it's pretty much mandatory. Ask for some advice from Artosis or Incontrol. They aren't the best players, but their analysis more than makes up for any lack of skill. For Painuser, I do like your casting, but you whispered during intense moments way too often. You should be louder than the rest of the auditorium, raising the hype level. I give you some benefit of the doubt since some of those Nestea games were pure shit, but still, you shouldn't be whispering, IMHO. I like both you guys as players and casters, but I'd give you guys a caster grade of C+. Don't worry about making us laugh. Gain some deeper knowledge about the timings, positional battles, and decision making, and the rest will just come naturally. Good luck. | ||
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houseurmusic
United States544 Posts
HDStarcraft - Hmm you are very enthusiastic, but I feel you get a lot of things wrong. There are many times you criticize the players you are casting saying they should be doing something else, but a lot of the time you are completely wrong. I don't think you understand the game on a professional level. I can think of a particular example, you were casting idra and criticizing his overlord placement on tal'darim alter. You should never put your overlord vs terran on the pillars to the main. If you are casting a professional and you don't understand what he is doing, or you think he should be doing something else you are most likely wrong. | ||
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VenerableSpace
United States463 Posts
On April 09 2012 14:52 AegiS_ wrote: i don't understand why posts like this in this thread don't get bans. if you go to any other thread and see type of post it's an auto ban or warn, but not here. so much hate / flaming in a thread that is meant for positive / constructive critisism and feedback. He is being honest. Nothing wrong with that. | ||
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Pwnzer
United States617 Posts
On April 09 2012 15:24 VenerableSpace wrote: He is being honest. Nothing wrong with that. There's a difference between being honest and not offering any constructive criticism and just being rude for the sake of being rude. The post itself doesn't really serve any purpose other than just bashing. | ||
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D_K_night
Canada615 Posts
I will say that, for this last IPL that it can be embarrassing when one of you states something, then is forced to retract that statement with "oh whoops, actually it's this". I think it's also beneficial for you guys to lean on each other for any areas of the game that might befuddle you, instead of saying "I don't agree with this" perhaps you could say "Painuser, notice that move...any insight from a Terran perspective on that?" and so on. Best thing you guys can do to up the professionalism is watch some replays of your own casting and you'll definitely see for yourself, areas that you fumbled on, or simply weren't very professional at that moment in time. | ||
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kckkryptonite
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BreakfastBurrito
United States893 Posts
Painuser, there are other races besides Terran, although this wasn't as prevalent this time around ^^ headed in the right direction I guessssssss | ||
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