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PeZuY
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
935 Posts
April 09 2012 05:14 GMT
#581
I just dont understand about people bashing casters. What I saw was good commentating, of course there are things that you can do better but nevertheless it was great!
Sovano
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1503 Posts
April 09 2012 05:23 GMT
#582
I agree, get past the bashing, look for the advice/feedback. You were the first caster I watched when I got into SC2. If it wasn't for your YT channel, I wouldn't even be here posting now, let alone even be interested in SC2 or eSports. It makes me sad thinking about how much effort you put into casting with such a positive attitude, only to get knocked down by some people who take it too far. I think you improved pretty well over the course of today. More notably when you were casting with Apollo on the match of MMA vs Stephano.
Probasaur
Profile Joined August 2011
United States461 Posts
April 09 2012 05:27 GMT
#583
I enjoyed it and always thought you two had great chemistry. I think the joking around needs to stay, its what makes you guys different from every other casters that just focus on the games which gets real old after a while, especially in a weekend tournament setting with tons of games.


Perhaps there were times when HD was making mistakes here or there, honestly I must not had been playing close enough attention cause I didn't notice. But when you talk to the crowd you need to be seriously hyped up. It wasn't just HD doing this I noticed several other people on stage do this too, when you're asking the crowd to get excited... you need to actually sound excited as you do it. Or it comes off fake and forced. And yeah you cant ask the crowd a hundred times to "make some noise" you really need to pay attention to whats going on or you sound redundant. But wow Painuser man, I was pleasantly surprised with how great he was with the crowd. I hope HD picks up the slack a little bit because you guys makea great duo and I hope to see a lot more of you both.
"He who makes a beast of himself.... gets rid of the pain of being a man" -Hunter S Thompson.
ContactKilla
Profile Joined December 2010
United States194 Posts
April 09 2012 05:31 GMT
#584
HD I muted you. Cant stand your casting. just watched the game in silence

User was warned for this post
Pwnzer
Profile Joined June 2011
United States617 Posts
April 09 2012 05:37 GMT
#585
On April 09 2012 14:31 ContactKilla wrote:
HD I muted you. Cant stand your casting. just watched the game in silence


Why don't you offer him some constructive criticism instead of just saying you hated him. It doesn't really help for you just to tell him he's bad. : /

I thought for the most part the casting was decent.
Herp Derp
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
April 09 2012 05:42 GMT
#586
Don't worry about the bashers, guys. I thought your casts were really good throughout the event! The only thing I would suggest was that HD say some more important information during the game. Saying stuff like "he's getting some zealots here!" or "he needs to have a good engagement to win" is kinda obvious so I don't think that they need to be said. I think HD has a great commentating voice and great energy and PU provides great analysis, just need to fine tune some things and you'll be amazing
sword_siege
Profile Joined September 2002
United States624 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-09 05:43:13
April 09 2012 05:42 GMT
#587
On April 09 2012 14:31 ContactKilla wrote:
HD I muted you. Cant stand your casting. just watched the game in silence

This is a poor example of feedback. I hope you never work in a corporate environment or try to express yourself to a colleague or your significant other for that matter using this kind of feedback.

If you could be specific your opinion would have weight and merit, right now we're just ignoring you as a baseless accusation.

To help you out, here's an example of constructive feedback.

Caster X. You use filler words like uhm, yeah and you know 23 times between hour 6 and 8 on <insert link>. These words add no value to your casting, please try to eliminate them.

stormchaser
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada1009 Posts
April 09 2012 05:50 GMT
#588
I've been watching HD cast since beta of SC2 and it's weird because I noticably enjoy his YT casts much more than his live casting. I think he needs to focus moreso on being either analysis or entertaining play-by-play and work this out with his fellow caster, painuser. I am and always will be a fan of HD so I don't really care, as long as he keeps casting I'm happy
-Exalt-
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States972 Posts
April 09 2012 05:52 GMT
#589
On April 09 2012 14:31 ContactKilla wrote:
HD I muted you. Cant stand your casting. just watched the game in silence


i don't understand why posts like this in this thread don't get bans. if you go to any other thread and see type of post it's an auto ban or warn, but not here. so much hate / flaming in a thread that is meant for positive / constructive critisism and feedback.
MrCash
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1504 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-09 06:05:19
April 09 2012 05:53 GMT
#590
On April 09 2012 14:42 sword_siege wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2012 14:31 ContactKilla wrote:
HD I muted you. Cant stand your casting. just watched the game in silence

This is a poor example of feedback. I hope you never work in a corporate environment or try to express yourself to a colleague or your significant other for that matter using this kind of feedback.

If you could be specific your opinion would have weight and merit, right now we're just ignoring you as a baseless accusation.

To help you out, here's an example of constructive feedback.

Caster X. You use filler words like uhm, yeah and you know 23 times between hour 6 and 8 on <insert link>. These words add no value to your casting, please try to eliminate them.



I agree about constructive criticism in general, but I feel it applies mostly to analytical casters.
Shoutcasters or play by play casters are mostly about voice, exclamation and personality. Voice control is something that either comes naturally or requires training, most of us are not qualified to give advice in that department.
Personality aspect is either going to appeal to you or it won't.
HD doesn't appeal to me personally, I can't give you specific advice on how I could like you. And even if I could, changing his personality could cause him to lose fans who do like him.
Some personalities will just rub some people wrong and won't be pleasant.
For example, pretty much anything cast by IMBA-tv I personally find intolerable and when possible will just watch a foreign language stream if available, so that I could still hear game sounds without being annoyed by the casting.

To add, in regards to the original post, I do find it pointless to post "I don't like this guy's personality" in a thread designed to help these casters improve. In the same light I find it pointless to post "great job, I like you", the positive comments are just far more tolerated as they aren't belligerent.
McFeser
Profile Joined July 2011
United States2458 Posts
April 09 2012 05:56 GMT
#591
So HD/Painuser do either of you guys care about these criticisms? Both of you have to be aware hatred that is getting thrown your way and I want to know how substantive you think it is.

I could write a pretty lengthy criticism on the things you're doing right and what you're doing wrong, but it'd seem like I would be wasting air. I feel like there is this common view among some of commentators that the community is full of haters and therefore their critiques are invalid. Far from it. Your job is to entertain us (either by being funny or informative), but the problem I find with your casts is I could really care less about them. At their best, it's nothing special. It's a serious thing and I think that I speak for alot of people when I say that. So, sure I could give you ideas about how to become a better caster but shouldn't it be your job to improve it? Anyways, good luck finding your niche.
Promethelax still hasn't changed his quote
adeezy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1428 Posts
April 09 2012 05:59 GMT
#592
On April 09 2012 14:56 McFeser wrote:
So HD/Painuser do either of you guys care about these criticisms? Both of you have to be aware hatred that is getting thrown your way and I want to know how substantive you think it is.

I could write a pretty lengthy criticism on the things you're doing right and what you're doing wrong, but it'd seem like I would be wasting air. I feel like there is this common view among some of commentators that the community is full of haters and therefore their critiques are invalid. Far from it. Your job is to entertain us (either by being funny or informative), but the problem I find with your casts is I could really care less about them. At their best, it's nothing special. It's a serious thing and I think that I speak for alot of people when I say that. So, sure I could give you ideas about how to become a better caster but shouldn't it be your job to improve it? Anyways, good luck finding your niche.


except the community is filled with haters, they have issues, but they dont deserve the hateful remarks they get. they do plenty of things right.
I asked my friend how the ratio at a party was, he replied. "Let's just say for every guy there was two dudes."
Monsen
Profile Joined December 2002
Germany2548 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-09 11:26:00
April 09 2012 06:06 GMT
#593
On April 09 2012 14:52 AegiS_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2012 14:31 ContactKilla wrote:
HD I muted you. Cant stand your casting. just watched the game in silence


i don't understand why posts like this in this thread don't get bans. if you go to any other thread and see type of post it's an auto ban or warn, but not here. so much hate / flaming in a thread that is meant for positive / constructive critisism and feedback.


Well, it's said in a polite manner and it says "feedback" not "constructive criticism" in the thread title. I agree that such replies have little value, but expressing a 100% dislike is still ok in my view when the post quality is decent.

I also would agree that HD is the weakest of the casters right now. No biggie though, can always switch streams.

edit: Painuser has improved quite a bit since I saw him first on NASL (I think).
11 years and counting- TL #680
SwizzY
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1549 Posts
April 09 2012 06:07 GMT
#594
Develop an intricate understanding of each matchup HD/Painuser. It's really painful to hear you guys make very baseline observations while not providing any interesting commentary at all.
Yeah, this requires you to put some real time into watching replays/playing ladder, but if casting is your passion then I think it's pretty much mandatory. Ask for some advice from Artosis or Incontrol. They aren't the best players, but their analysis more than makes up for any lack of skill.

For Painuser, I do like your casting, but you whispered during intense moments way too often. You should be louder than the rest of the auditorium, raising the hype level. I give you some benefit of the doubt since some of those Nestea games were pure shit, but still, you shouldn't be whispering, IMHO.

I like both you guys as players and casters, but I'd give you guys a caster grade of C+. Don't worry about making us laugh. Gain some deeper knowledge about the timings, positional battles, and decision making, and the rest will just come naturally.

Good luck.
All that glitters is not gold, all that wander are not lost, the old that is strong does not wither, deep roots are not reached by frost.
houseurmusic
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States544 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-09 06:13:40
April 09 2012 06:10 GMT
#595
Painuser - Very good with analysis and I can tell you know the game very well and that's what matters most to me as a viewer. May need to work on your humor a bit however.
HDStarcraft - Hmm you are very enthusiastic, but I feel you get a lot of things wrong. There are many times you criticize the players you are casting saying they should be doing something else, but a lot of the time you are completely wrong. I don't think you understand the game on a professional level. I can think of a particular example, you were casting idra and criticizing his overlord placement on tal'darim alter. You should never put your overlord vs terran on the pillars to the main. If you are casting a professional and you don't understand what he is doing, or you think he should be doing something else you are most likely wrong.
VenerableSpace
Profile Joined May 2010
United States463 Posts
April 09 2012 06:24 GMT
#596
On April 09 2012 14:52 AegiS_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2012 14:31 ContactKilla wrote:
HD I muted you. Cant stand your casting. just watched the game in silence


i don't understand why posts like this in this thread don't get bans. if you go to any other thread and see type of post it's an auto ban or warn, but not here. so much hate / flaming in a thread that is meant for positive / constructive critisism and feedback.



He is being honest. Nothing wrong with that.
Pwnzer
Profile Joined June 2011
United States617 Posts
April 09 2012 06:33 GMT
#597
On April 09 2012 15:24 VenerableSpace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2012 14:52 AegiS_ wrote:
On April 09 2012 14:31 ContactKilla wrote:
HD I muted you. Cant stand your casting. just watched the game in silence


i don't understand why posts like this in this thread don't get bans. if you go to any other thread and see type of post it's an auto ban or warn, but not here. so much hate / flaming in a thread that is meant for positive / constructive critisism and feedback.



He is being honest. Nothing wrong with that.


There's a difference between being honest and not offering any constructive criticism and just being rude for the sake of being rude. The post itself doesn't really serve any purpose other than just bashing.
Herp Derp
D_K_night
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada615 Posts
April 09 2012 06:37 GMT
#598
I'd like to come forward and say that personalities for both of you are not an issue, as I enjoy that aspect of you two.

I will say that, for this last IPL that it can be embarrassing when one of you states something, then is forced to retract that statement with "oh whoops, actually it's this".

I think it's also beneficial for you guys to lean on each other for any areas of the game that might befuddle you, instead of saying "I don't agree with this" perhaps you could say "Painuser, notice that move...any insight from a Terran perspective on that?" and so on.

Best thing you guys can do to up the professionalism is watch some replays of your own casting and you'll definitely see for yourself, areas that you fumbled on, or simply weren't very professional at that moment in time.
Canada
kckkryptonite
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
1126 Posts
April 09 2012 07:02 GMT
#599
Painuser: can you stop doing that annoying Day9 thing where you end up whispering throughout the whole cast, thanks.
RIP avilo, qxc keyboard 2013, RIP Nathanis keyboard 2014
BreakfastBurrito
Profile Joined November 2011
United States893 Posts
April 09 2012 07:05 GMT
#600
I am not the first to say this, but the problem persists
Painuser, there are other races besides Terran, although this wasn't as prevalent this time around ^^ headed in the right direction I guessssssss
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