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Sky101
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States1758 Posts
April 09 2012 04:09 GMT
#561
I think your casting is fine, HDStarCraft. As a color commentator, I prefer Husky. As a technical analyst, I prefer Artosis. But your casting is fine, if I have to absolutely pick one thing to have you improve upon, maybe it'd be humor. I enjoy listening to Husky because he's funny as hell. Plus him and Artosis seem to really be into the games that they're casting, unlike Day9 whom I think is a "little" bit over the top. Please don't flame me, Day9 fans.
Peter, Dang, pm me!!!
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
April 09 2012 04:12 GMT
#562
I like your casting, but HD, but you seem to make more weird calls with protoss than with the other races. The most recent game is the one just now on TalDarim between Nestea and Squirtle, the one before the regame. Squirtle goes voidray then adds 5 gates, but you then say you expect a robo to follow, with an immortal and a 6/7 gate push?

If anything that is extremely rare following a stargate opener, as it will delay the push substantially and allow the zerg enough time to be maxed out or have hydra/infestor or whatever other defensive route they take. It seemed quite clear he was just going straight into mass gate, without the immortals.

There were some other instances as well, but I can't really remember them cause I didn't write them down or take mental not of them, but I think your Protoss knowledge could use some updating.

I do like your casting though
HoMM
Profile Joined July 2010
Estonia636 Posts
April 09 2012 04:13 GMT
#563
On April 09 2012 12:58 ravenKRaz wrote:
you guys are really good casters, i don't know where the hate comes from T_T;
Show nested quote +
ROFL.... technically a problem with HD and Painuser telling the player strats with open booths?!?!?....

I give these guys a hard time but I appreciate the the difficulty of what they do.

But come one you are like 5 feet away from them of course they can hear you...

It should just be a standard live tourney etiquette not to talk about the game when the game is paused booths open or not.

I actually really like HD and Painuser when Painuser is nerdchecking HD kinda reminds me of when tasteless picks on artosis..

I always question the actual soundproofedness of the booths but whatev...

except nestea and squirtle don't understand english..


It's much easier to understand a language and what is said, than to speak it. It's pretty safe to assume that they understand english reasonably well, and would be able at least understand some of the stuff that is said, as they know all of the important words (such as all sc2 terms in english too).
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PopcornColonel
Profile Joined March 2011
United States769 Posts
April 09 2012 04:18 GMT
#564
There has been a TON of negative feedback, particularly on reddit... And I believe that was a little bit uncalled for. You guys did as good a job as any non-day9/husky/tastless/artosis level caster would have, if not better.

Ignore reddit, you did just fine.
Zerg delenda est.
bellz
Profile Joined June 2010
United States20 Posts
April 09 2012 04:19 GMT
#565
HD talks extremely fast in game for no reason...a lot of games at IPL seem to devolve into a battle between two auctioneers and neither can get in a full thought. Both of you need to take a silent pause between sentences and analyze what is going on (particularly HD) instead of having to correct yourself. There are times when to be loud and fast when action is occurring...but I think one of the best qualities of Tastosis is their ability to just be calm and collected when necessary and not have their talking overtake the game.
Mrvoodoochild1
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1439 Posts
April 09 2012 04:24 GMT
#566
On April 09 2012 13:18 PopcornColonel wrote:
There has been a TON of negative feedback, particularly on reddit... And I believe that was a little bit uncalled for. You guys did as good a job as any non-day9/husky/tastless/artosis level caster would have, if not better.

Ignore reddit, you did just fine.

You are either trolling or oblivious to what makes a good caster if you believe your post. Painuser is a decent caster but HD is horrible. Saying that these two are anywhere near the likes of Tasteless/Artosis/Day9 is crazy.

User was warned for this post
"let your freak flag fly"
Sinensis
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2513 Posts
April 09 2012 04:26 GMT
#567
If you want to get leagues ahead of every other caster out there, never say "This game is over" or anything like that. In the final moments of the game there should be enough going on not to have to accounce the game has ended before it actually has. I would go so far as to say don't announce which player is "winning" ever.

Seriously think of the worst thing your mother/girlfriend/boyfriend/someone who doesn't understand esports could possibly ask you:

It's "Are you winning?"
Vaelom
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Korea (South)154 Posts
April 09 2012 04:28 GMT
#568
Love the casting in general.
-But the things im a bit effy about is Taylor (Painuser) seems to do more studying of the game, players, meta, etc. Compared to you. And thats where its seem to have a casters imbalance! ^^ keep on casting you2 !!
There is a reason why i keep score, winning is everything, losing isn't.
awu25
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2003 Posts
April 09 2012 04:35 GMT
#569
On April 09 2012 13:18 PopcornColonel wrote:
There has been a TON of negative feedback, particularly on reddit... And I believe that was a little bit uncalled for. You guys did as good a job as any non-day9/husky/tastless/artosis level caster would have, if not better.

Ignore reddit, you did just fine.

You're right, your opinion overrules the TON of feedback from a different community
A lot of the criticism is valid and that is what he is asking for
SexyBimbo
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany89 Posts
April 09 2012 04:42 GMT
#570
I totally didnt enjoy the casting at all; you mixed up the players, missed SO many important things that were going on (and I think were also pointed out by the observer). You literally said "make some noise for X" at least 20 times per second without exaggeration and it was very notable that the crowd was annoyed by that, too, as no one was clapping any more by the time you had already way overdone it which is pretty awkward to say the least...
Also there seemed to be more technical errors during your casts, too, but I don't think you are to be held responsible for that. And, but that may just be me, I didn't find you especially funny either.

SB
Why do ppl do this; does my name look anything like Kiwikaki?? - Kawaiirice
mrhobbers
Profile Joined August 2010
109 Posts
April 09 2012 04:42 GMT
#571
I thought you guys did a good job. Nothing stands out to me as "That was an amateur mistake you see on sc2casts", but nothing blew me away like some of those classic Tastosis jokes that you laugh at for awhile. I think you two are coming along nicely as a casting duo, and keep up the hard work.
NachiMe
Profile Joined November 2011
250 Posts
April 09 2012 04:44 GMT
#572
Please, just stop asking for applause HD, it's actually so awkward. One or two is fine.
provrorsbarn
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden766 Posts
April 09 2012 04:51 GMT
#573
Didnt enjoy....alot of mistakes and false information during all of the casts......made it really impossible to listen to.....or why even listen to it at all if nothing makes sense.........You guys need to read up on all the matchups....
Youre roles as casters was also a bit confusing and you guys didnt really have a nice "flow", both of you had the same caster "role" and took turns talking......
IMO have HD do most of the play-by-play and then use Painuser as the "analyser-expert"....So HD talks alot about whats going on and then throws it to Pain if he wants to know something particular....just like any other caster-duo that has ever been created in sports etc......
Im just a zerg
Vei
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2845 Posts
April 09 2012 04:54 GMT
#574
you guys talking about nestea's spire during the game pause while their booths were undoubtedly being opened/closed was pretty sketch, just saying
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Capulet
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Canada686 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-09 04:59:16
April 09 2012 04:56 GMT
#575
On April 09 2012 13:18 PopcornColonel wrote:
There has been a TON of negative feedback, particularly on reddit... And I believe that was a little bit uncalled for. You guys did as good a job as any non-day9/husky/tastless/artosis level caster would have, if not better.

Ignore reddit, you did just fine.


The OP is a caster who wants genuine feedback so he can improve his casting, so the negative feedback is necessary.

I think HD's articulation and just general ability to speak is great. One of the best. I'm neutral about the side chit-chat, on one hand it get's carried away sometimes, on the other it shows personality and character.

However, the content is outright terrible. A lot of the things says are just wrong with a few exaggerated miscalls. While I appreciate the enthusiasm, sometimes there is overreaction and overemphasis on things that are just trivial.
eg: "Doing devastating damage!!" - when in reality only the shields from a bunch of buildings have been taken out
eg: "Player X has a HUGE lead!" - when in reality supplies are just about even.

The potential is there. I just feel like HD needs to get a deeper understanding of the game. Being a color commentator does not mean being allowed to say things that are incorrect.

Just my $0.02

Edit: Painuser is overall a good commentator. Nothing bad to say about him.
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arfyron
Profile Joined July 2011
518 Posts
April 09 2012 04:59 GMT
#576
Both of you have really improved. Keep it up! It's clear you really love the game and that's the most important thing. Like other people have said just keep learning more and keep getting better
ClanRH.TV
Profile Joined July 2010
United States462 Posts
April 09 2012 05:01 GMT
#577
I love how there are so many individuals commenting yet I'm sure not 1% of the people giving negative comments could perform nearly as good as either of these two.... Honestly, your calls were quite accurate and I think the people critisizing really don't know two shits about casting on a live stage.

Good job.
"Don't take life too seriously because you'll never get out alive."
Mr.Ch4rms
Profile Joined August 2008
Canada84 Posts
April 09 2012 05:10 GMT
#578
i got to listen to the korean stream, which was quite good to hear that passion and intensity in a cast even though i dont understand korean, and reignite my proleague watching nastalga. So i guess thanks for casting? i think my big problem is that you guys havent casted in a long time, its all been cats and doa. Just from seeing how the stream numbers were IGN should know what to do with HD and painuser in future events. If you want to get better, you should be casting more and practicing, main stream isnt a place to do that.
thats it stroke me clover
Vei
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2845 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-09 05:11:21
April 09 2012 05:11 GMT
#579
On April 09 2012 14:01 ClanRH.TV wrote:
I love how there are so many individuals commenting yet I'm sure not 1% of the people giving negative comments could perform nearly as good as either of these two.... Honestly, your calls were quite accurate and I think the people critisizing really don't know two shits about casting on a live stage.

Good job.

while i agree that in cases of like, criticizing an athlete (including e-athletes) you need to be able to perform yourself, in order to have truly poignant criticism, i think ANYONE can criticize an entertainer, because basically, everyone is "equally" good in terms of their importance of being entertained.
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n0ah
Profile Joined June 2011
United States250 Posts
April 09 2012 05:14 GMT
#580
PainUser is very articulate and I really enjoy his casting. You need some work though, but I still like you.


Also, smack whoever was in charge of the camera's during the games. Holy wow, showing the audience in the middle of an engagement?! Yeah, that's a good idea... -__-
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