On September 21 2011 06:23 Jiddra wrote: The only thing I know about how it is being a player for Mill is from ToD. At 0:50 he speaks about his on/off relationship with Mill.
Feels a bit shaky, and this whole thing doesn't boost my confidence. Need better info from the people involved.
ToD recently left Mill, again. Twice in like 6 months.
On September 21 2011 04:03 DyEnasTy wrote: Ok, I know I dont have the in depth details on this: but from what ive read from this and the other thread about this topic, does anyone else think the finger should be pointed at stephano himself? He signs with col, then back with mil.
I think it depends on what was said to him behind closed doors. He still is young.
So this makes him stupider and less apt to understand the world?
Being young does not mean you are oblivious to the world around you. I am pretty sure that PokeBunny understands what a contract is and its agreements *he is only 15 btw)
I signed a contract four months after my 15th birthday with my parents, and have never broken any contracts. I think age is ZERO excuse for ANY behavior; when you are in a professional environment and expected to act like a professional, you should do so.
omg everyone let's talk about how mature and professional pokebunny is
Also I apologize on behalf of everyone in the world, except you, for any and all behaviours.
Seriously though, jumping on the hatewagon before knowing all the facts doesn't really help your self-promo case here.
On September 21 2011 04:03 DyEnasTy wrote: Ok, I know I dont have the in depth details on this: but from what ive read from this and the other thread about this topic, does anyone else think the finger should be pointed at stephano himself? He signs with col, then back with mil.
I think it depends on what was said to him behind closed doors. He still is young.
So this makes him stupider and less apt to understand the world?
Being young does not mean you are oblivious to the world around you. I am pretty sure that PokeBunny understands what a contract is and its agreements *he is only 15 btw)
I signed a contract four months after my 15th birthday with my parents, and have never broken any contracts. I think age is ZERO excuse for ANY behavior; when you are in a professional environment and expected to act like a professional, you should do so.
Well, I guess I would say that your age excuse that comment.. =)
lol, this is hilarious. On what planet is releasing a totally vague statement with absolutely no content supposed to help your cause? It now looks even worse for Millennium. Right or wrong aside, what a dumb move from a management point of view...
Very informative post. The CDI for 12 month is kinda strange from Millenium for sure, it's a non sense.
But one thing I wonder, I'm pretty sure that "theoretically" a CDI doesn't need any kind of paper support between the employer and the employee. (even if in fact 99.99% of the time there is a paper). And as Stephano says to Millenium that he agreed to stay with them a few day before he sign the Col's one, couldn't that be consider as a contract between Millenium and Stephano ?
Even if it's totally theoretical, I wonder
In some cases it can. Oral contracts are as binding as written ones. But there are areas where written contracts are required. I don't know how it is in France in case of employment. As for his statement about Mill few days before signing with col, hard to say, judge would have to decide I would guess. If there would be enough evidence that Stephano promised Millenium to stay with them and that there was agreement between both parties then judge might decide that this was binding contract and the one between col and Stephano was invalid, but that does not take the blame off Stephano, on the contrary.
In terms of employment, in the absence of a written contract, a CDI is considered automatically contracted at the date of the first salary payment. However, in the absence of salary (and Stephano didn't have a salary up to that point), there is nothing that can be said to help Millenium's case on that specific point.
DUDE, for you own sake, you have to disappear. They will get you, now that you have unleashed the terrible truth ! Flee dor your life ! And no, I don't mean Kespa... I mean THEM. You have to protect yourself... meet us where the night joins the day. I have to leave now, before they find my house. For SC2, brother !
Well that statement basically did nothing in terms of the amount of respect I lost for them and Stephano after this whole thing. I don't thing it would have been easy to release a statement with less information in it.
On September 21 2011 04:40 Piotr wrote: Let’s do something serious. I wrote a first post on this subject sooner but here is another version, I can’t stand reading some fantasy stuff. (I’m French sorry for my poor English, have read TL forum for years but I have never something interesting to say so I’m new). (.....)
the post is very good, but i think is biased. Are you really french?
On September 21 2011 04:03 DyEnasTy wrote: Ok, I know I dont have the in depth details on this: but from what ive read from this and the other thread about this topic, does anyone else think the finger should be pointed at stephano himself? He signs with col, then back with mil.
I think it depends on what was said to him behind closed doors. He still is young.
So this makes him stupider and less apt to understand the world?
Being young does not mean you are oblivious to the world around you. I am pretty sure that PokeBunny understands what a contract is and its agreements *he is only 15 btw)
I signed a contract four months after my 15th birthday with my parents, and have never broken any contracts. I think age is ZERO excuse for ANY behavior; when you are in a professional environment and expected to act like a professional, you should do so.
I guess I should note, that yes when I said that I meant that he might still be very impressionable. However, of course that does not mean everyone in the world is the same way. Everyone matures at a different rate, and everyone handles pressure differently. Unless we somehow find out what really happened how fair is it to point fingers? HYPOTHETICALLY, what if both sides were trying to blackmail him? Is it still fair to blame him?
On September 21 2011 04:03 DyEnasTy wrote: Ok, I know I dont have the in depth details on this: but from what ive read from this and the other thread about this topic, does anyone else think the finger should be pointed at stephano himself? He signs with col, then back with mil.
I think it depends on what was said to him behind closed doors. He still is young.
So this makes him stupider and less apt to understand the world?
Being young does not mean you are oblivious to the world around you. I am pretty sure that PokeBunny understands what a contract is and its agreements *he is only 15 btw)
I signed a contract four months after my 15th birthday with my parents, and have never broken any contracts. I think age is ZERO excuse for ANY behavior; when you are in a professional environment and expected to act like a professional, you should do so.
I guess I should note, that yes when I said that I meant that he might still be very impressionable. However, of course that does not mean everyone in the world is the same way. Everyone matures at a different rate, and everyone handles pressure differently. Unless we somehow find out what really happened how fair is it to point fingers? HYPOTHETICALLY, what if both sides were trying to blackmail him? Is it still fair to blame him?
yes because blackmail is illegal and he should have gone to the authorities
On September 21 2011 04:03 DyEnasTy wrote: Ok, I know I dont have the in depth details on this: but from what ive read from this and the other thread about this topic, does anyone else think the finger should be pointed at stephano himself? He signs with col, then back with mil.
I think it depends on what was said to him behind closed doors. He still is young.
So this makes him stupider and less apt to understand the world?
Being young does not mean you are oblivious to the world around you. I am pretty sure that PokeBunny understands what a contract is and its agreements *he is only 15 btw)
I signed a contract four months after my 15th birthday with my parents, and have never broken any contracts. I think age is ZERO excuse for ANY behavior; when you are in a professional environment and expected to act like a professional, you should do so.
I guess I should note, that yes when I said that I meant that he might still be very impressionable. However, of course that does not mean everyone in the world is the same way. Everyone matures at a different rate, and everyone handles pressure differently. Unless we somehow find out what really happened how fair is it to point fingers? HYPOTHETICALLY, what if both sides were trying to blackmail him? Is it still fair to blame him?
oh poor Stephano.. he's impressionable..lol @ another pathetic excuse. You maybe right though, it's highly likely the Millenium boss -- who frankly speaks and behaves like gangster -- blackmailed him into rejoining Mill.
Sigh... I said hypothetically... I wasn't trying to say there was any blackmail was going on, I was trying to say people should wait before they start pointing fingers.
But yes, of course it is illegal. That doesn't mean that everyone who gets blackmailed goes straight to the police, the person doing the blackmail gets caught and everything turns out rainbows and sunshine. If that was the case then no one would try to blackmail anyone in the first place...
On September 21 2011 04:03 DyEnasTy wrote: Ok, I know I dont have the in depth details on this: but from what ive read from this and the other thread about this topic, does anyone else think the finger should be pointed at stephano himself? He signs with col, then back with mil.
I think it depends on what was said to him behind closed doors. He still is young.
So this makes him stupider and less apt to understand the world?
Being young does not mean you are oblivious to the world around you. I am pretty sure that PokeBunny understands what a contract is and its agreements *he is only 15 btw)
I signed a contract four months after my 15th birthday with my parents, and have never broken any contracts. I think age is ZERO excuse for ANY behavior; when you are in a professional environment and expected to act like a professional, you should do so.
omg everyone let's talk about how mature and professional pokebunny is
Also I apologize on behalf of everyone in the world, except you, for any and all behaviours.
Seriously though, jumping on the hatewagon before knowing all the facts doesn't really help your self-promo case here.
My 2 cents ; sorry for my poor english but i think it's important to say that :
I was with Zephimir monday night (well, tuesday at 5 am) on skype. For those who don't know, Zephimir is a LoL redactor from team Millenium, and one of the most important person in this team. Ofc, he talks a lot with Cedrix and Llewellys, because they are at the head of Millenium.
We learnt that Stephano was leaving Millenium when we browse TL. Nobody talk about it on the Millenium chan, whereas they talk about ToD leaving, Millenium acquiering the aAa.loL team and so on. But he didnt know about Stephano leaving, which was a waaaaay more important news than those two. He had to post about Stephano leaving at 5 am, and no sc2 redactor was aware of the situation. Do you really think that Stephano leaving M wasnt huge enough to make the whole team speak about it ?
What i am saying, and i don't want to defend Millenium, Stephano or Complexity, is that Millenium sure was aware about CoL views on Stephano, but didnt know that he was going to sign with them a few hours later. Llewellys also said that he learnt about it when he woke up.
So, what were they suppose to do ? Think "well, when i was sleeping, they sign my best player, but i can't try to get him back, it's bad. I'll let him leave. Too bad for me." or try to get him back ?
They chose the second option. You guys are saying "it's bad for esport, and it's bad for esport reputation". But if they had lost their best player, it would have been horrible for them. You follow a team site for their players. Stephano is really popular in France, and Millenium is like the first esport site in France, french people don't mind as much about Lalush, Tarson, DieStar and even Adel as they do for Stephano. It would have been a HUGE lost for them. Moreover all their project (including the team one) would have been destroy.
I don't say that Millenium did good, but if you think that CoL is the good guy and Millenium is the bad guy, you are mistaken. IMO, Millenium and CoL are just doing what they have to do for their team (ie. signing a contract with a player they want and keep the player they have), and Stephano did a huge mistake.
Seriously, will you HATE Millenium because of this ? It's so childish.
On September 21 2011 08:18 Supter wrote: My 2 cents ; sorry for my poor english but i think it's important to say that :
I was with Zephimir monday night (well, tuesday at 5 am) on skype. For those who don't know, Zephimir is a LoL redactor from team Millenium, and one of the most important person in this team. Ofc, he talks a lot with Cedrix and Llewellys, because they are at the head of Millenium.
We learnt that Stephano was leaving Millenium when we browse TL. Nobody talk about it on the Millenium chan, whereas they talk about ToD leaving, Millenium acquiering the aAa.loL team and so on. But he didnt know about Stephano leaving, which was a waaaaay more important news than those two. He had to post about Stephano leaving at 5 am, and no sc2 redactor was aware of the situation.
What i am saying, and i don't want to defend Millenium, Stephano or Complexity, is that Millenium sure was aware about CoL views on Stephano, but didnt know that he was going to sign with them. Llewellys also said that he learnt about it when i woke up.
So, what were they suppose to do ? Think "well, when i was sleeping, they sign my best player, but i can't try to get him back, it's bad. I'll let him leave. Too bad for me." or try to get him back ?
They chose the second option. You guys are saying "it's bad for esport, and it's bad for esport reputation". But if they had lost their best player, it would have been horrible for them. You follow a team site for their players. Stephano is really popular in France, and Millenium is like the first esport site in France, french people don't mind as much about Lalush, Tarson, DieStar and even Adel as they do for Stephano. It would have been a HUGE lost for them. Moreover all their project (including the team one) would have been destroy.
I don't say that Millenium did good, but if you think that CoL is the good guy and Millenium is the bad guy, you are mistaken. IMO, Millenium and CoL are just doing what they have to do for their team (ie. signing a contract with a player they want and keep the player they have), and Stephano did a huge mistake.
Seriously, will you HATE Millenium because of this ? It's so childish.
Do you really think that Stephano leaving M
So basically they tried to screw Stephano by shortchanging him on a contract increase, ended up losing him to coL which is the whole point of bidding wars, and got pissy because it makes them look bad to other French spectators, causing all this drama?
On September 21 2011 08:18 Supter wrote: My 2 cents ; sorry for my poor english but i think it's important to say that :
I was with Zephimir monday night (well, tuesday at 5 am) on skype. For those who don't know, Zephimir is a LoL redactor from team Millenium, and one of the most important person in this team. Ofc, he talks a lot with Cedrix and Llewellys, because they are at the head of Millenium.
We learnt that Stephano was leaving Millenium when we browse TL. Nobody talk about it on the Millenium chan, whereas they talk about ToD leaving, Millenium acquiering the aAa.loL team and so on. But he didnt know about Stephano leaving, which was a waaaaay more important news than those two. He had to post about Stephano leaving at 5 am, and no sc2 redactor was aware of the situation.
What i am saying, and i don't want to defend Millenium, Stephano or Complexity, is that Millenium sure was aware about CoL views on Stephano, but didnt know that he was going to sign with them. Llewellys also said that he learnt about it when i woke up.
So, what were they suppose to do ? Think "well, when i was sleeping, they sign my best player, but i can't try to get him back, it's bad. I'll let him leave. Too bad for me." or try to get him back ?
They chose the second option. You guys are saying "it's bad for esport, and it's bad for esport reputation". But if they had lost their best player, it would have been horrible for them. You follow a team site for their players. Stephano is really popular in France, and Millenium is like the first esport site in France, french people don't mind as much about Lalush, Tarson, DieStar and even Adel as they do for Stephano. It would have been a HUGE lost for them. Moreover all their project (including the team one) would have been destroy.
I don't say that Millenium did good, but if you think that CoL is the good guy and Millenium is the bad guy, you are mistaken. IMO, Millenium and CoL are just doing what they have to do for their team (ie. signing a contract with a player they want and keep the player they have), and Stephano did a huge mistake.
Seriously, will you HATE Millenium because of this ? It's so childish.
Do you really think that Stephano leaving M
Or they could have appreciated Stephano for the player he is, and given him a better deal than Col would anytime in the last 18 days that they were negotiating. They could have got him to sign a contract with the team hes been with his whole career before they had to break a contract, and pretend that there was nothing wrong with it.
Saying that "oh we woke up in the morning to him being signed, now we have to get him back" isn't a valid thing at all. If stephano decided to sign at 3 AM thats his decision, not some kind of underhanded tactic by Complexity.
On September 21 2011 08:25 PHILtheTANK wrote: Or they could have appreciated Stephano for the player he is, and given him a better deal than Col would anytime in the last 18 days that they were negotiating.
there wasn't any negotiation between M and coL. coL just negotiated with Stephano and didn't bother to speak to M: that's what starts all this drama.
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