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On August 14 2011 09:03 Bear4188 wrote:
So it was that other collective of Korean Starcraft 2 teams? Either SC2Con is inept for making questionable decisions or inept for not having any control on the scene they claim to represent.
I'm not sure why you think SC2Con needs to involved in the NASL situation at all. NASL is just league that players can choose to participate in. It's not like a GSTL or a team based commitment.
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On August 14 2011 09:02 nitdkim wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 08:59 whateverpeeps wrote:
Wait I'm a little confused about OP.
Is SC2Con saying they were not involved?
Didn't Mr.Chae say they were, when he was acting as mediator? Well, SC2Con is just saying that the decision to not participate is each team's decision and that SC2Con doesn't have control over that in any way. I was confused by the NASL thread why NASL kept referring to SC2Con when it seemed like it was the individual team's decision not to participate.
but SC2Con is made up of managers/coaches from each of those teams except Slayers so it doesn't make any sense.
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On August 14 2011 09:05 jmbthirteen wrote:
Hmmmm very interesting as FXOBoss, who is a part of sc2con, said he had to talk to sc2con to see if he could allow sC to play. Why would a member need to talk to sc2con if they didn't have anything to do with this?
And why was Mr Chae even involved if sc2con isn't? He has a role on sc2con I thought and thats why he was mediating, especially since the teams never responded to NASL.
And the TIG article states sc2con is involved and prohibits Korean teams other than FXOKorea do not participate in NASL.
He had not heard anything offcial until that NASL statement. So he was assuming that what NASL had said was true.
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On August 14 2011 09:05 jmbthirteen wrote:
Hmmmm very interesting as FXOBoss, who is a part of sc2con, said he had to talk to sc2con to see if he could allow sC to play. Why would a member need to talk to sc2con if they didn't have anything to do with this?
And why was Mr Chae even involved if sc2con isn't? He has a role on sc2con I thought and thats why he was mediating, especially since the teams never responded to NASL.
And the TIG article states sc2con is involved and prohibits Korean teams other than FXOKorea do not participate in NASL.
Yeah, I forgot about the TIG article, which was written by a guy who was in SC2Con correct? He didn't seem to mention anything about individual teams making the decision, but rather the committe.
Yikes @SC2Con if this happens to be untrue, that's all I have to say.
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On August 14 2011 08:57 Lord_J wrote:
Color me not surprised that the NASL's self-serving statements are more than a little inaccurate.
Seems to me that its just not NASL saying things about SC2Con, I mean if you have Korean fans questioning their actions and even a member of their advisory board doing the same, that says something isnt right.
On August 14 2011 08:49 JSy wrote:Unfortunately true. Majority of Korean posters have been saying the same on TIG, PlayXP (even the GOMtv forums). Not to mention a member of their advisory board has posted a very long and detailed article ( http://s2con.com/xe/column/8442 ) criticizing the conference. Makes me wonder, what exactly is the structure and politics of SC2CON and its relationship with the teams, the managers, and most importantly players.
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To clarify: I don't know the exact dynamic that is going on in Korea right now. However, what I do know is that it was (apparently) a collective decision of Korean teams. My first draft had written "SC2 Korean Team Committee." In an effort to not write that every time, I wrote SC2Con upon learning that SC2Con was a committee of the Korean teams.
If, this was just the decision of a few of the teams, then I of course would like to apologize to SC2Con as an organization for mentioning their name.
However, I am particularly puzzled by several things: a) namely that FXO was arguing with SC2Con about sC participating in the NASL, and that the MVP team is currently trying to participate in NASL but being blocked by SC2Con.
So it's hard for me to know what is going on in Korea right now -- but I truly would like to apologize for using SC2Con incorrectly if it is indeed the case that the organization is not responsible!
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Wait, didn't the reporter who is "part of SC2con" said the committee made the decision due to blah blah. I'm confused
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On August 14 2011 09:07 masterbreti wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 09:05 jmbthirteen wrote:
Hmmmm very interesting as FXOBoss, who is a part of sc2con, said he had to talk to sc2con to see if he could allow sC to play. Why would a member need to talk to sc2con if they didn't have anything to do with this?
And why was Mr Chae even involved if sc2con isn't? He has a role on sc2con I thought and thats why he was mediating, especially since the teams never responded to NASL.
And the TIG article states sc2con is involved and prohibits Korean teams other than FXOKorea do not participate in NASL. He had not heard anything offcial until that NASL statement. So he was assuming that what NASL had said was true.
Well on his stream the night after this news broke, I asked him about sC and thats when he was talking about sc2con. I'd imagine a member of sc2con knew what was going on.
And the TIG artcile was written by a TIG advisor. And Mr Chae referred to sc2con as well.
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On August 14 2011 09:10 NASL.tv wrote:
To clarify: I don't know the exact dynamic that is going on in Korea right now. However, what I do know is that it was (apparently) a collective decision of Korean teams. My first draft had written "SC2 Korean Team Committee." In an effort to not write that every time, I wrote SC2Con upon learning that SC2Con was a committee of the Korean teams.
If, this was just the decision of a few of the teams, then I of course would like to apologize to SC2Con as an organization for mentioning their name.
However, I am particularly puzzled by several things: a) namely that FXO was arguing with SC2Con about sC participating in the NASL, and that the MVP team is currently trying to participate in NASL but being blocked by SC2Con.
So it's hard for me to know what is going on in Korea right now -- but I truly would like to apologize for using SC2Con incorrectly if it is indeed the case that the organization is not responsible!
Well there we go.
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The recent troubles with NASL were the result of SC2CON's actions, but rather were actions taken by the individual teams.
Did you miss the "NOT" in the first sentence, or else it does not make much sense.
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Isn't the SC2Con the collective bargaining entity for all of those individual teams? It seems difficult to believe that all of these teams were negotiating and making these demands separately rather than as a collective.
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On August 14 2011 09:10 NASL.tv wrote:
To clarify: I don't know the exact dynamic that is going on in Korea right now. However, what I do know is that it was (apparently) a collective decision of Korean teams. My first draft had written "SC2 Korean Team Committee." In an effort to not write that every time, I wrote SC2Con upon learning that SC2Con was a committee of the Korean teams.
If, this was just the decision of a few of the teams, then I of course would like to apologize to SC2Con as an organization for mentioning their name.
However, I am particularly puzzled by several things: a) namely that FXO was arguing with SC2Con about sC participating in the NASL, and that the MVP team is currently trying to participate in NASL but being blocked by SC2Con.
So it's hard for me to know what is going on in Korea right now -- but I truly would like to apologize for using SC2Con incorrectly if it is indeed the case that the organization is not responsible!
And there we go some more
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On August 14 2011 09:14 LegendaryZ wrote:
Isn't the SC2Con the collective bargaining entity for all of those individual teams? It seems difficult to believe that all of these teams were negotiating and making these demands separately rather than as a collective.
They were collective (it seems). But they don't represent SC2Con.
If you have a complicated situation and there are 5 others in that same boat as you... It's pretty much common sense to discuss among each other.
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On August 14 2011 09:13 nitdkim wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 09:10 NASL.tv wrote:
To clarify: I don't know the exact dynamic that is going on in Korea right now. However, what I do know is that it was (apparently) a collective decision of Korean teams. My first draft had written "SC2 Korean Team Committee." In an effort to not write that every time, I wrote SC2Con upon learning that SC2Con was a committee of the Korean teams.
If, this was just the decision of a few of the teams, then I of course would like to apologize to SC2Con as an organization for mentioning their name.
However, I am particularly puzzled by several things: a) namely that FXO was arguing with SC2Con about sC participating in the NASL, and that the MVP team is currently trying to participate in NASL but being blocked by SC2Con.
So it's hard for me to know what is going on in Korea right now -- but I truly would like to apologize for using SC2Con incorrectly if it is indeed the case that the organization is not responsible! Well there we go.
Did you ignore the rest of the post?
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On August 14 2011 09:16 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 09:13 nitdkim wrote:On August 14 2011 09:10 NASL.tv wrote:
To clarify: I don't know the exact dynamic that is going on in Korea right now. However, what I do know is that it was (apparently) a collective decision of Korean teams. My first draft had written "SC2 Korean Team Committee." In an effort to not write that every time, I wrote SC2Con upon learning that SC2Con was a committee of the Korean teams.
If, this was just the decision of a few of the teams, then I of course would like to apologize to SC2Con as an organization for mentioning their name.
However, I am particularly puzzled by several things: a) namely that FXO was arguing with SC2Con about sC participating in the NASL, and that the MVP team is currently trying to participate in NASL but being blocked by SC2Con.
So it's hard for me to know what is going on in Korea right now -- but I truly would like to apologize for using SC2Con incorrectly if it is indeed the case that the organization is not responsible! Well there we go. Did you ignore the rest of the post?
lol, the first paragraph made everything make sense, then the other 2 paragraph just made me more puzzled. Korea's really confusing.
Let's hope these team announcement come quickly.
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On August 14 2011 09:10 NASL.tv wrote:
To clarify: I don't know the exact dynamic that is going on in Korea right now. However, what I do know is that it was (apparently) a collective decision of Korean teams. My first draft had written "SC2 Korean Team Committee." In an effort to not write that every time, I wrote SC2Con upon learning that SC2Con was a committee of the Korean teams.
If, this was just the decision of a few of the teams, then I of course would like to apologize to SC2Con as an organization for mentioning their name.
However, I am particularly puzzled by several things: a) namely that FXO was arguing with SC2Con about sC participating in the NASL, and that the MVP team is currently trying to participate in NASL but being blocked by SC2Con.
So it's hard for me to know what is going on in Korea right now -- but I truly would like to apologize for using SC2Con incorrectly if it is indeed the case that the organization is not responsible!
Wait so, this is even more confusing. So, why then, is SC2Con trying to block FXO and MVP from participating, if they are not involved?
I mean, if this was purely a decision by a collective of teams, why are they blocking my teams who have reached an independent decision to participate?
Because then it sounds like to me, that SC2Con IS involved and HAS issued a decision?
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Now this just sounds like SC2con came to a decision to not send players to NASL, and now are telling each team to say it was their own decision. Why else would MVP and FXO go through SC2con.
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On August 14 2011 09:16 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 09:13 nitdkim wrote:On August 14 2011 09:10 NASL.tv wrote:
To clarify: I don't know the exact dynamic that is going on in Korea right now. However, what I do know is that it was (apparently) a collective decision of Korean teams. My first draft had written "SC2 Korean Team Committee." In an effort to not write that every time, I wrote SC2Con upon learning that SC2Con was a committee of the Korean teams.
If, this was just the decision of a few of the teams, then I of course would like to apologize to SC2Con as an organization for mentioning their name.
However, I am particularly puzzled by several things: a) namely that FXO was arguing with SC2Con about sC participating in the NASL, and that the MVP team is currently trying to participate in NASL but being blocked by SC2Con.
So it's hard for me to know what is going on in Korea right now -- but I truly would like to apologize for using SC2Con incorrectly if it is indeed the case that the organization is not responsible! Well there we go. Did you ignore the rest of the post?
I think they reinforce why NASL assumed SC2Con was behind what the individual teams have decided.
Issue is that SC2Con claims that they had nothing to do with the teams not participating in NASL but NASL claimed it was SC2Con's decision. Now NASL says they just used SC2Con's name because they assumed SC2Con was behind it since it was a committee of teams (just a committee).
The SC2Con actions with sC and team MVP reinforced NASL's assumption because SC2Con seems involved with teams and players attending NASL. These are assumptions but we do have official statement from SC2Con that they were not involved with the teams deciding not to particiate and NASL.tv's own words that they just used SC2Con's name because they didn't want to say team committee over and over again.
I hope this makes sense.
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Shady organization denying involvement in a shady situation?
I'm so shocked.......
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However, I am particularly puzzled by several things: a) namely that FXO was arguing with SC2Con about sC participating in the NASL, and that the MVP team is currently trying to participate in NASL but being blocked by SC2Con.
That seems to reinforce that SC2Con was in fact part of the decison making process. Cause if they weren't why stop FXO and the MVP team from going?
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