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nitdkim
1264 Posts
On August 14 2011 09:21 iCCup.Diamond wrote: Shady organization denying involvement in a shady situation? I'm so shocked....... I'm shocked you're the one to say this. | ||
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GreyKnight
United States4720 Posts
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LegendaryZ
United States1583 Posts
On August 14 2011 09:15 nitdkim wrote: They were collective (it seems). But they don't represent SC2Con. If you have a complicated situation and there are 5 others in that same boat as you... It's pretty much common sense to discuss among each other. It seems more like a play on words to attempt to save face rather than anything meaningful. There's effectively no difference between a collective decision and the decision of the collective when it's the same exact people making the decisions in both groups. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
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Aegeis
United States1619 Posts
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On August 14 2011 09:21 iCCup.Diamond wrote: Shady organization denying involvement in a shady situation? I'm so shocked....... Didn't you say one day you would make a post talking about the shady sc2con? If so, please do, and if you have and I overlooked it, link please? Maybe those collective teams made the decision and as NASL tries to get the teams who weren't a part of that decision into season 2, those teams that made the decision then asked sc2con to support them? All I know is sc2 in Korea is a mess when it comes to the business side. | ||
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whateverpeeps
United States214 Posts
On August 14 2011 09:22 Slider954 wrote: However, I am particularly puzzled by several things: a) namely that FXO was arguing with SC2Con about sC participating in the NASL, and that the MVP team is currently trying to participate in NASL but being blocked by SC2Con. That seems to reinforce that SC2Con was in fact part of the decison making process. Cause if they weren't why stop FXO and the MVP team from going? Yeah, if it was just a committee of teams making an independent decision to not participate, why would they care what FXO and MVP does, especially now that negotiations are over and the situation is done? This is REALLY weird... | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On August 14 2011 09:19 nitdkim wrote: I think they reinforce why NASL assumed SC2Con was behind what the individual teams have decided. Issue is that SC2Con claims that they had nothing to do with the teams not participating in NASL but NASL claimed it was SC2Con's decision. Now NASL says they just used SC2Con's name because they assumed SC2Con was behind it since it was a committee of teams (just a committee). The SC2Con actions with sC and team MVP reinforced NASL's assumption because SC2Con seems involved with teams and players attending NASL. These are assumptions but we do have official statement from SC2Con that they were not involved with the teams deciding not to particiate and NASL.tv's own words that they just used SC2Con's name because they didn't want to say team committee over and over again. I hope this makes sense. I know what you are saying, but ever think sc2con is full of shit? I mean if they weren't a part of the decision, then why are they trying to prevent FXO and MVP from playing in NASL? They are clearly involved in some way. | ||
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akalarry
United States1978 Posts
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GentleDrill
United Kingdom672 Posts
On August 14 2011 09:21 iCCup.Diamond wrote: Shady organization denying involvement in a shady situation? I'm so shocked....... How is anything here shady? Alot of people seem overly keen to assume that somebody's to blame and I don't get it. If anything this mostly seems to be due to misunderstandings. The official NASL post above indicates this, and even though there are some "interesting" bits in his third paragraph, until we know the exact situation from all sides, it's pointless to try to place blame on any party. All it does is stir up trouble. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On August 14 2011 09:24 GreyKnight wrote: meh, sc2con seems to be plagued with drama and controversy now. Its like they are saying this isn't an official sc2con move to save face from all the shit they have been in lately. | ||
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nitdkim
1264 Posts
On August 14 2011 09:25 whateverpeeps wrote: Yeah, if it was just a committee of teams making an independent decision to not participate, why would they care what FXO and MVP does, especially now that negotiations are over and the situation is done? This is REALLY weird... You're assuming that the committee of teams = SC2Con. We don't really know the context of the FXO and MVP situation so we don't know why SC2Con would be involved in that situation but not the situation with Fox/oGs/etc. | ||
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Dexx
Germany175 Posts
On August 14 2011 09:10 NASL.tv wrote: However, I am particularly puzzled by several things: a) namely that FXO was arguing with SC2Con about sC participating in the NASL, and that the MVP team is currently trying to participate in NASL but being blocked by SC2Con. LoL, no intervention by SC2con my ass. If they are actively blocking MVP, they ARE involved. Don't fall for their stunts. | ||
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TDN3
United States81 Posts
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whateverpeeps
United States214 Posts
On August 14 2011 09:25 Aegeis wrote: I have been away for the weekend and it seems this drama goes on longer than a few threads, can anyone give me a simply TLDR of this whole situation? 1) NASL made a statement saying that Koreans would not be participating in the league after negotiations failed. Apparently the dispute was over how much money Koreans would receive to attend finals. (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253750) 2) A reporter made an article on ThisisGame regarding the situation. Although he was not an official voice, he is apparently in SC2Con. He made serveral claims about why the Koreans were withdrawing from the NASL, including saying that NASL was not paying back deposits. 3) NASL responded to the above statements, and showed proof of deposits that have been paid back and stated that they are within their time frame that was agreed upon and signed by team managers. both here (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253928) 4) NASL also issued a statement that the majority of Koreans signed Season 2 contracts 15 days prior to the boycott, and then went back on them after production for Season 2 started. And the rest is happening right now in this thread... | ||
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xBillehx
United States1289 Posts
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Slider954
United States342 Posts
On August 14 2011 09:28 jmbthirteen wrote: Its like they are saying this isn't an official sc2con move to save face from all the shit they have been in lately. Exactly and yet at the same time, they are still trying to control teams from going or not as evidenced by MVP team not being allowed to go. | ||
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
Whether the Korean teams put forth those demands, or SC2con, or some sort of committee or whether Santa Claus did it does not really matter in the end. | ||
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Synche
United States1345 Posts
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whateverpeeps
United States214 Posts
On August 14 2011 09:29 nitdkim wrote: You're assuming that the committee of teams = SC2Con. We don't really know the context of the FXO and MVP situation so we don't know why SC2Con would be involved in that situation but not the situation with Fox/oGs/etc. No, I'm not. I'm just saying it doesn't make sense. If it WAS just a committee of teams saying they don't want to be in Season 2, then why is SC2Con actively blocking teams which weren't involved in this dispute at all? | ||
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